Out of the few years I've been playing, I believe cheating in spar in any way is the worst it's ever been.

In my early days the staff had been better, and the only real cheat I always saw had been the speed hack.

Now people are getting creative and sneaky with VPN (Although I'm not entirely sure how it works, someone explain) I'm seeing people boost their speed slightly, almost unnoticeable if you don't pay attention, and I'm also seeing infinite HP cheats, too...  

Posted by Agonee

I would support people that vpn to actually get a better connection, but vpning to get an advantage like droon or rexxx /Jimbo do is just pathetic and stupid as sh*t.

"Vpning to get a better connection" is actually true, if ur wifi having a bad day xd then yes vpning would give u a better connection. In-fact vpning inside graal classic isn't illegal, it only become illegal when u pk/spar (not sure about bk) using this vpn. The reason why admins made it illegal bc some players abuse the use of it to gain extra delay. However, vpning inside the spar square(arena) doesn't make ur ms lower than it is already+extra delay that's why they made it illegal, i think jarace told me this (not sure tho) i forgot which admin did i ask if i'm allowed to vpn (bc i had a bad connection). So basically using vpn while sparring don't make anything better. I don't know if it makes it better if u pk using vpn if u lag, but its illegal for sure.

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Posted by McCullough

Now people are getting creative and sneaky with VPN (Although I'm not entirely sure how it works, someone explain) I'm seeing people boost their speed slightly, almost unnoticeable if you don't pay attention, and I'm also seeing infinite HP cheats, too...

There are a lot of apps that allows u to vpn, they basically give u options of countries and u will choose what country's IP u want to use. It changes ur current IP to the IP that u want (u could also change ur IP to a different one in the same country u live in)  

It does apply to bk as well, not just pk and spar solely.  

sorry to break your bubble guys, but VPNs don't make your internet faster, unless your internet provider is absolutely horrible, any VPN service will limit your performance, especially increase your MS. and I'm not sure if any of you seen droon spar, especially directed at agonee, but he rarely lags and his flag switches pretty randomly - which happened to me twice when it switched to the french flag for a a whole day (even though I went between multiple devices and connections that day) - for no apparent reason.  

Posted by wanderer

sorry to break your bubble guys, but VPNs don't make your internet faster, unless your internet provider is absolutely horrible, any VPN service will limit your performance, especially increase your MS. and I'm not sure if any of you seen droon spar, especially directed at agonee, but he rarely lags and his flag switches pretty randomly - which happened to me twice when it switched to the french flag for a a whole day (even though I went between multiple devices and connections that day) - for no apparent reason.

"If ur wifi is having a bad day" i meant if the connection was horrible in that day.

I never heard of "flags randomly switches" :O  

Posted by Saeed

"If ur wifi is having a bad idea" i meant if the connection was horrible in that day.

I never heard of "flags randomly switches" :O

it might help only if you're having serious problems, and even then, trying to call your provider or mess with your router is almost always better.

and it happened to me, so I can say from experience it happens - and definitely isn't caused by an issue with a single device/router or VPN.  

Posted by wanderer

it might help only if you're having serious problems, and even then, trying to call your provider or mess with your router is almost always better.

and it happened to me, so I can say from experience it happens - and definitely isn't caused by an issue with a single device/router or VPN.

Pretty sure it VPNing lowers your delay since the Main server is in Texas I believe, it won't lower your ms.

For everyone that still doesn't know the difference between lagging and delaying, lagging is when you have an unstable WiFi connection and most likely warp all around, delaying is when you're WiFi takes longer to reach the server, what makes people that delay harder to spar as well since they've to predict everything while people with less delay has to spar with a higher reaction time(what I prefer).

About the flag switching randomly, I'm pretty sure that this isn't coincidence, droon is Defiantly VPNing, you can't tell me that this is a glitch or something, this would be like if Google maps tells you you'd be in France while you're in Germany or whatever.
I'm not too sure about this but I think the server can check where someone is from by the IP of the persons WiFi.  

Posted by Agonee

Pretty sure it VPNing lowers your delay since the Main server is in Texas I believe, it won't lower your ms.

For everyone that still doesn't know the difference between lagging and delaying, lagging is when you have an unstable WiFi connection and most likely warp all around, delaying is when you're WiFi takes longer to reach the server, what makes people that delay harder to spar as well since they've to predict everything while people with less delay has to spar with a higher reaction time(what I prefer).

About the flag switching randomly, I'm pretty sure that this isn't coincidence, droon is Defiantly VPNing, you can't tell me that this is a glitch or something, this would be like if Google maps tells you you'd be in France while you're in Germany or whatever.
I'm not too sure about this but I think the server can check where someone is from by the IP of the persons WiFi.

the only difference between lagging and delaying is that "lagging" is when your ping is unstable, hence why for one second you move normally and the other you freeze while trying to reach the server. delaying is when your ping is constantly high, hence why everything you do is delayed. VPN will always make your ping either stay the same or go up, it's not used to boosting your connection and can only slow it in normal circumstances. VPN won't lower your MS, so it will never make you delay less, and it normally won't make your connection more stable so it usually won't make you lag less either.

about flags, it happened to me. it literally had my flag stuck for a whole day in two different instances to the french flag, even when I traveled between two cities, switched between my phone and laptop, switched networks throughout the day, and still nothing. obviously I wasn't in france. if you still wanna accuse droon of VPNing, do note that he doesn't lag more than a normal european player who has 200 MS, which is the average connection you're gonna get. people like rexx on the other hand, constantly warp around and are basically unhittable, you just can't compare the two.  

Posted by wanderer

the only difference between lagging and delaying is that "lagging" is when your ping is unstable, hence why for one second you move normally and the other you freeze while trying to reach the server. delaying is when your ping is constantly high, hence why everything you do is delayed. VPN will always make your ping either stay the same or go up, it's not used to boosting your connection and can only slow it in normal circumstances. VPN won't lower your MS, so it will never make you delay less, and it normally won't make your connection more stable so it usually won't make you lag less either.

about flags, it happened to me. it literally had my flag stuck for a whole day in two different instances to the french flag, even when I traveled between two cities, switched between my phone and laptop, switched networks throughout the day, and still nothing. obviously I wasn't in france. if you still wanna accuse droon of VPNing, do note that he doesn't lag more than a normal european player who has 200 MS, which is the average connection you're gonna get. people like rexx on the other hand, constantly warp around and are basically unhittable, you just can't compare the two.

You mostly did rephrase me on the first part, there Americans with a high latency but they don't delay, when I was in Arizona at my grandpas house I had 300ms and asked a lot of people if I'd delay, they said it'd be better than before, to be honest wanderer, Idc if droon is vpning or not, I don't have any problem with his connection, I'm just telling you that he is, he is a friend of you and that's fine but you can't tell me that he is the only person on the whole server that has this problem for multiple months. I don't give hackers or cheaters a ranking, someone who cheats or hacks is just a huge pathetic loser. End of the discussion.  

Posted by Agonee

You mostly did rephrase me on the first part, there Americans with a high latency but they don't delay, when I was in Arizona at my grandpas house I had 300ms and asked a lot of people if I'd delay, they said it'd be better than before, to be honest wanderer, Idc if droon is vpning or not, I don't have any problem with his connection, I'm just telling you that he is, he is a friend of you and that's fine but you can't tell me that he is the only person on the whole server that has this problem for multiple months. I don't give hackers or cheaters a ranking, someone who cheats or hacks is just a huge pathetic loser. End of the discussion.

the latency the server is showing can be very inaccurate, but straight up - lower latency indicates less delay. I am telling you he doesn't vpn, and he obviously doesn't delay, even unintentionally, even if he's the only person out of the 50, 100, however many people you know that has an issue with his flag that constantly switches to portugal randomly.

besides, for anyone who's actually interested - you don't have to VPN to change your countries flag without traveling to another country, and normal VPN won't make you noticeably laggier. you have to actually take farther measures to insure you have higher MS. more than that, graal is the only game I've ever encountered where higher MS gives you an ADVANTAGE rather than making the game harder. usually, high MS would mean your actions are being delayed. say, you're in point 0 and move to point 1. it takes the movement command 2 seconds to get to the server, so during those 2 seconds you're still registered in point 0 and everyone will see you in point 0, will be able to swing at point 0 and get a hit on you, while you have yet to react - basically how it works in games like CS:GO, LoL, dota, etc.
I honestly would appreciate it if dusty could give some background as to why it works differently in graal.  

Posted by McCullough

@Thallen

Have you tried to sign up as a GP before?

I applied during the same hiring cycle when Soren was hired, when Yuri was hired, and then one more time after that. I'm not interested at all anymore now that I've committed to leading a guild.

Posted by Crono

As time progresses we're getting more and more who haven't played any servers at a moderate level let alone a high level.

Yeah, and it's not a big issue with developers because they can still do their job effectively without needing to actively "experience" Graal, but GPs are entirely different… There's no way to enforce the rules if you aren't active and experienced with the game.

Posted by wanderer

sorry to break your bubble guys, but VPNs don't make your internet faster, unless your internet provider is absolutely horrible, any VPN service will limit your performance, especially increase your MS

This isn't entirely true, there are actually "gaming VPN" services like WTFast and VyprVPN. I had an issue when I was playing League where I was getting 120 ping from Florida to California, used a US sever on WTFast and it dropped to 90. It all depends on your ISP and the routing you get to whatever server you're connecting to. It's not going to make your internet faster, but there are some cases where using a VPN can route you to the server in a more efficient way that will lower your ping.  

Posted by Thallen

I had an issue when I was playing League where I was getting 120 ping from Florida to California, used a US sever on WTFast and it dropped to 90. It all depends on your ISP and the routing you get to whatever server you're connecting to. It's not going to make your internet faster, but there are some cases where using a VPN can route you to the server in a more efficient way that will lower your ping.

Wait, what? I thought vpn only makes an impact if ur playing graal. Where is the league of legend's server located in?  

Hit 20k wins mid December of last year so I may as well have a say in this thread full of broken English and weird information posted by the likes of jimbo and penguin.

Sparring has been like this for a good year and a half this isn't a phase this is what sparring is at this current time.

The more active American and Canadian based sparrers are either inactive, not playing as of now or just done with sparring.

As of now foreign sparrers (europeans, australians, south americans, pinoys) are the main group of people sparring, this isn't a bad thing at all and its stupid to say things like they should be "banned" or "not allowed to spar" (I've seen this said multiple times over the last year and a half) they are keeping sparring relevant and that's a good thing, I don't see any reason for somebody to abuse or slander somebody because they are from overseas and enjoy sparring whether its casually or because they enjoy doing it and it's what they do as main activity.

However sparring does currently have an issue where a lot of people have started speeding, health hacking and vpning in order to gain an advantage over others. Not only this but it's sad to see that noob hunting and selective sparring is as common as ever.

I've noticed a trend in Brazillian players speeding, I'm not saying it's only them that speed but it is a large group of them that do.

Players like Jimbo, Rexxx, Droon, Paz who vpn constantly without punishment as well ruins the experience for a lot of new and veteran players.  

Posted by Red

Hit 20k wins mid December of last year so I may as well have a say in this thread full of broken English and weird information posted by the likes of jimbo and penguin.

Sparring has been like this for a good year and a half this isn't a phase this is what sparring is at this current time.

The more active American and Canadian based sparrers are either inactive, not playing as of now or just done with sparring.

As of now foreign sparrers (europeans, australians, south americans, pinoys) are the main group of people sparring, this isn't a bad thing at all and its stupid to say things like they should be "banned" or "not allowed to spar" (I've seen this said multiple times over the last year and a half) they are keeping sparring relevant and that's a good thing, I don't see any reason for somebody to abuse or slander somebody because they are from overseas and enjoy sparring whether its casually or because they enjoy doing it and it's what they do as main activity.

However sparring does currently have an issue where a lot of people have started speeding, health hacking and vpning in order to gain an advantage over others. Not only this but it's sad to see that noob hunting and selective sparring is as common as ever.

I've noticed a trend in Brazillian players speeding, I'm not saying it's only them that speed but it is a large group of them that do.

Players like Jimbo, Rexxx, Droon, Paz who vpn constantly without punishment as well ruins the experience for a lot of new and veteran players.

Brazillian ?
I'm not the racist type but last time i check almost all of them are saltier than LoL players, they also ruined grotto "peaceful" farming etc. Combined with their "i no speak english" attitude and their high "I do everything to win", they're pratically the type whom i don't want to spar/meet with, no seriously, sometimes i don't even know if they're speeding/warping/delaying or all of them at the same time, i've met several of them who use health hacking (albeit they could do it almost unnoticeable since they usually just reset it from 0.5 to 1.0) but yes, i do believe that using VPN is cheating (if you're americans since for godsake youre near the server) but for us, foreigners, sometimes its better to use VPN to make graal "less-lagging"

I do a bit jealous the fact you guys got no lag since you're close to the server.. grr..  

I will say it again, graal really needs to implement security in this game and put an ms limit to lets say 100ms to spar. Also make sparring have more tournaments and rewards.