Posted by Aguzo

"Respect copyrights and only upload graphics that you have made yourself or that you are authorized to use. Any concepts that are taken from television shows, video games or any other forms of media will not be accepted. Works that are inspired by such material are only accepted under some circumstances. It is therefore encouraged that you design original ideas for your graphics to avoid any issues that may arise."

I don't see how trying to upload a head resembling an overwatch character is not against said obvious rules. Someone complained about a few weeks ago, and made a thread that was deleted.
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Pretty sure they ban people from uploading, because they are sending files to the server, which get rejected several times, and they want to keep sending the same file.

Would you rather keep having to reject the same file over and over, or just not have to deal with it by removing the players' ability to upload?

While I agree with Bryan, I can see your point. The only flaw with the system is that there doesn't seem to be a way to get unbanned. In fact, the system goes from 0 to 100 real quick. "Don't resubmit this" (I waited around 20 min to resubmit) turns into an indefinite ban, at least in my case. Sure, it's annoying to have a player upload something a bunch of times, but I feel on the grand scale of annoying-ness, having an indefinite upload ban is worse.  

Permanent bans aren't necessary. Preferably would make it 24-48 hours of restriction on uploads. If the file is being uploaded repeatedly, openly explain why it's being denied and a solution to fix it. You can't just simply resort to never giving the player the option to upload a customized (head, body, sword, or shield).  

I've never been a gp on upload duty, but I think it's common sense that you aren't the only person trying to upload a file. They probably want to accept as many uploads as possible, so people can get their customs fast. I don't think they have to explain every little detail as to why a yoshi head can't be uploaded.

If it's not that, then they usually tell you why. "File size is too big/small", "Transparency issues"...
Most people don't know how to fix their "solid black/white" issue. Maybe staff should just make a guide relating to the reasons why they don't accept a file.  

Posted by Ivy

Because it is a generic girl head with a bun, there is literally no possible way it could be copyrighted.

Not sure if you've uploaded heads similar to your graphics site, but it seems like some of your head files included hats such as the glasses(the Mei head), bows(Pikachu/Demon Girl edits), headbands(pink haired girl) & horn/ears(4th of July and etc..). Since Classic is pretty strict on heads with hats, resubmitting files with minor things like that, could've caused your upload ban.  

Posted by LiA

Not sure if you've uploaded heads similar to your graphics site, but it seems like some of your head files included hats such as the glasses(the Mei head), bows(Pikachu/Demon Girl edits), headbands(pink haired girl) & horn/ears(4th of July and etc..). Since Classic is pretty strict on heads with hats, resubmitting files with minor things like that, could've caused your upload ban.

I actually haven't lol, but there are people on classic with heads i'be made. Who've had no issues whatsoever uploading.  

The issue is you have zero instruction as to what is wrong with the graphic and/or how to fix it from a human being - instead just a stock message (sometimes incorrectly applied) that often suggests not re-submitting your work.

AND BTW... how is intellectual property of a 3d character a copyright infringement issue when you draw a graphic character in a 2d, pixelated format that sort of resembles the original and then present it in a free-to-play environment with no intention of marketing or making money on the 2d sprite?  

Posted by 4-Lom

The issue is you have zero instruction as to what is wrong with the graphic and/or how to fix it from a human being - instead just a stock message (sometimes incorrectly applied) that often suggests not re-submitting your work.

AND BTW... how is intellectual property of a 3d character a copyright infringement issue when you draw a graphic character in a 2d, pixelated format that sort of resembles the original and then present it in a free-to-play environment with no intention of marketing or making money on the 2d sprite?

Because Graal makes money. The companies won't go after you... they'll go after ToonsLab. Anything related to their original content belongs to them, no matter the dimension. They could care less if only one person bought it for $10, or free by farming. The fact that it's in the game will give companies every intention to take money from TL.  

Posted by 4-Lom

The issue is you have zero instruction as to what is wrong with the graphic and/or how to fix it from a human being - instead just a stock message (sometimes incorrectly applied) that often suggests not re-submitting your work.

AND BTW... how is intellectual property of a 3d character a copyright infringement issue when you draw a graphic character in a 2d, pixelated format that sort of resembles the original and then present it in a free-to-play environment with no intention of marketing or making money on the 2d sprite?

Thissss^^^^^ (both points)

Posted by Aguzo

Because Graal makes money. The companies won't go after you... they'll go after ToonsLab. Anything related to their original content belongs to them, no matter the dimension. They could care less if only one person bought it for $10, or free by farming. The fact that it's in the game will give companies every intention to take money from TL.

Do you really think they'd go for some obscure game like Graal over fan art?  

Posted by Ivy

Do you really think they'd go for some obscure game like Graal over fan art?

That's not really the point. It's in a company likes Toonslab's best interests to not even open themselves up to something like that.

This really isn't that hard, guys.  

Posted by Ivy

Thissss^^^^^ (both points)



Do you really think they'd go for some obscure game like Graal over fan art?

With people like you spending thousands on this crappy game, why not?  

Posted by Imprint

This really isn't that hard, guys.

No, it is that hard, because admins themselves have contradicted this rule:

"Any concepts that are taken from television shows, video games or any other forms of media will not be accepted. "

by adding inspired content on a number of occasions. Players really shouldn't be blamed or banned when they try to do the same. Obviously taking things pixel for pixel is a problem, but when it's created from scratch and only bares resemblance I don't see the argument  

Posted by Noxious

No, it is that hard, because admins themselves have contradicted this rule:

"Any concepts that are taken from television shows, video games or any other forms of media will not be accepted. "

by adding inspired content on a number of occasions. Players really shouldn't be blamed or banned when they try to do the same. Obviously taking things pixel for pixel is a problem, but when it's created from scratch and only bares resemblance I don't see the argument

This is also an amazing point.  

I'm just wondering why the admins don't know how to resolve this issue because every single one I talked to doesn't have a clue. Why would you have a ban button that you could never turn off?

Unlike the controversy Ivy is facing, I can say with confidence that the shield I uploaded wasn't copyright and didn't have any coloring issues because I've been uploading since I first started the game. I attempted to upload it only three times with time in between uploading, I wasn't spamming the system.  

Posted by winry

I'm just wondering why the admins don't know how to resolve this issue because every single one I talked to doesn't have a clue. Why would you have a ban button that you could never turn off?

Unlike the controversy Ivy is facing, I can say with confidence that the shield I uploaded wasn't copyright and didn't have any coloring issues because I've been uploading since I first started the game. I attempted to upload it only three times with time in between uploading, I wasn't spamming the system.

I can also say with confidence that whatever I uploaded before being banned, or really ever on Classic was NOT copyright in any way, shape, or form.  

Posted by Noxious

No, it is that hard, because admins themselves have contradicted this rule: "Any concepts that are taken from television shows, video games or any other forms of media will not be accepted. " by adding inspired content on a number of occasions. Players really shouldn't be blamed or banned when they try to do the same. Obviously taking things pixel for pixel is a problem, but when it's created from scratch and only bares resemblance I don't see the argument

There are the rules. Things slip through; it happens. Here's what the playerbase needs to get into their heads: Uploading customs is a privilige and whether you like it or not you have to follow the rules and the moderators (who sometimes make mistakes. NEWSFLASH: they're people too). If you believe that you were wrongfully banned, send in a ticket.