Posted by PigParty

I don't know a ton about this, and I don't plan on it since it's complicated as hell. From what I understand, though, leaving is a good idea. It's risky for sure, but the outcome shouldn't be that bad. From what I understand, the EU allowed travel from all countries within the EU without a passport or registration to that country. Also the currency was another issue, since there were other countries bringing down the value of the Euro. That to me seems like the main reason to leave - to let the UK stand on their own and not be brought down financially by other countries.

That's not correct at all. The free travel is a different treaty. And the United Kingdom never joined it.

Also the United Kingdom never accepted the European  

Posted by Chelterrar

Islamification. Paaaaah racist. A few immigrants won't kill your precious Christianity. Disgusting this racism.

He doesn't even live there. Not sure why you're calling him a racist for saying why he believes people in the UK voted to leave. If anything, the people in the UK would be the racists - based on your logic anyways. Not to mention as Thallen said, religion isn't a race. Plus he never said a thing about him being a Christian. Unless you personally know he is, you're making assumptions simply because he mentioned Islam. What's disgusting is when people try to claim racism on any statement, because it undermines situations where racism is really involved.  

Theres gonna be a big crisis in England soon.  

I also think it's funny that the stock markets in the US at least (and I assume pretty much everywhere else) plunged. The changes will take years until they're finalized. There's no reason for the stocks to be affected right now. But that's wall street for ya.  

Posted by PigParty

He doesn't even live there. Not sure why you're calling him a racist for saying why he believes people in the UK voted to leave. If anything, the people in the UK would be the racists - based on your logic anyways. Not to mention as Thallen said, religion isn't a race. Plus he never said a thing about him being a Christian. Unless you personally know he is, you're making assumptions simply because he mentioned Islam. What's disgusting is when people try to claim racism on any statement, because it undermines situations where racism is really involved.

I don't care where he lives or who he is. And personally I don't care if religion is defined as a race or not. Cause the definition of race is different in every language.

On the other hand a lot of Christians go on the streets to protest against the islamification. I don't see those protest in Asia happening (probably also because they barely have any Muslim refugees)

I heard a lot of people speaking up that they threaten the end of Christianity cause of the Muslim people, which is so not true. He might not be Christian but he is western. And the western countries are mostly connected to the Christian culture  

Posted by Thallen

Yeah, Islam isn't a race and even if it was that still isn't "racism."


And how many of those signees do you think voted to remain in the first place? They lost fair and square, I think it's stupid that a second referendum is even an actual possibility.

With the vote as close as it was the UK doesn't normally go through with things unless it's 60-40, so I wouldn't be too surprised if there was a second referendum  

Posted by Chelterrar

I don't care where he lives or who he is. And personally I don't care if religion is defined as a race or not. Cause the definition of race is different in every language.

On the other hand a lot of Christians go on the streets to protest against the islamification. I don't see those protest in Asia happening (probably also because they barely have any Muslim refugees)

I heard a lot of people speaking up that they threaten the end of Christianity cause of the Muslim people, which is so not true. He might not be Christian but he is western. And the western countries are mostly connected to the Christian culture

Nice. You express your disgust with discrimination with stereotypes and assumptions. Isn't that what discriminatory people do? Stereotype... and make assumptions about others? Who cares what other people do. You called Thallen out for discriminating against the Islamic religion. And no. Race is the same thing everywhere. Other countries may have different categorizing of race, but race and religion are 2 different things, no matter where in the world you are. Someone who believes race and religion are the same thing is not someone I care to argue with. So I'll leave your stereotyping and nonsense to yourself.  

"Islamification" happens everywhere and it's nothing to be afraid of; it's just a new culture integrating with western society. It's only an issue if you're a redneck or, as some alarmists would have you believe, extremists set up "sharia neighborhoods" in your area, which is against the law to do anyway lol.

The UK has a lot of immigrants yes, but the people who say that someone is racist for using the border as an excuse to leave probably doesn't understand that a lot of the immigrants that come to the UK come legally through proper channels (if they're overseas immigrants), or are just economic immigrants taking advantage of the EU's free movement. Some people leave their relatively safe, but terribly terribly poor, countries to go the UK and that's what the brexit people played on in their campaign strategies (well, from the ads I've seen on the net).

These local (to Europe) economic immigrants will be able to settle in remaining EU countries so I wouldn't feel too sorry for them, they'll still end up in a better position than back in their home nations.

But yeah, everyone's markets are crumbling. GG UK.  

Posted by Strum

Theres gonna be a big crisis in England soon.

Behave your security can't even handle few hooligans from accrington never mind terrorists.

Not much will actually change until we get ball rolling around October(Next election-because David Cameron gone now)/November but even then when UK sort out with eu people(where we won't be paying out 100's of millions for these eu countries) it will take us least 2years before we are out of eu completely by that time EU will be crumbling if not gone, they've relied on UK for to long and Germany(next big supporter for eu countries) Won't be able to do that unless they want to crumble n'all.. Pretty sure there will be other countries now wanting out of eu before it all goes wrong for them and they have to go back to there old cash to have chance of rebuilding.  

Posted by Platinum

Damn, that's sort of sad for the young people. It's the old British people who voted the most to stay, and they only have around 20 or less years of their life. Pretty much 60% of young people wanted to stay compared to 20% to leave. They have to live for the next 70 years with the decision the old people made.

Honestly, for these long term situations, young people's votes should be weighted more heavily than seniors.

How the hell is that fair?

Older people have as much right to vote as those ******ed millennials.

You might as well put down everyone over the age pf 60 just so they don't interfere with your political agenda.

That isn't freedom, that is borderline fascism.

Stop buying into the stereotype that all old folks want is to go back to the good ol' days.

Maybe they just want better futures for their newer generations, every think about that?

I swear, liberal SJWs are being especially cancerous about this topic since all they seem to care about is how many white people voted or whatnot.

You know Britain is predominately a white country, so why the actual **** is this such an issue?

Pull that stick out your arse and stop overeating. IMO, the pound fell so much because nobody really expected this would happen and people panicked causing the economy to drop.  

Posted by Admiral

With the vote as close as it was the UK doesn't normally go through with things unless it's 60-40, so I wouldn't be too surprised if there was a second referendum

Jesus, 60/40? I'd obviously understand if it was within the margin of error, but 60/40 seems very strict.

Posted by Reno

"Islamification" happens everywhere and it's nothing to be afraid of; it's just a new culture integrating with western society.

Well, it's a matter of popular vote. To be perfectly blunt, prejudice is allowed to effect the way someone votes. Not to mention, I think it's fair game for any Briton to say, "Islam is behind the problems in the Middle East, so I don't want it to be such a large presence around me." Apparently, Londoners didn't think that way though and I think they're the most affected by it.  

Posted by PigParty

Nice. You express your disgust with discrimination with stereotypes and assumptions. Isn't that what discriminatory people do? Stereotype... and make assumptions about others? Who cares what other people do. You called Thallen out for discriminating against the Islamic religion. And no. Race is the same thing everywhere. Other countries may have different categorizing of race, but race and religion are 2 different things, no matter where in the world you are. Someone who believes race and religion are the same thing is not someone I care to argue with. So I'll leave your stereotyping and nonsense to yourself.

I'm not saying religion is a race. But I said it was racist. You want me to call it anti-religionistic? There you go. Or anti Christian. What ever. It's not what this thread is about

Also race isn't the same thing everywhere. Our definition of race is what we project on the world. There are tribes that see religion as a thing they were born with. Etc, etc. So in the American and western view race isn't religion. But to give you another example. Germans don't call black people a different race then white people. Just FYI  

Posted by Admiral

With the vote as close as it was the UK doesn't normally go through with things unless it's 60-40, so I wouldn't be too surprised if there was a second referendum

Doubt there will be a second referendum, we've made our decision.Although I do agree it should have been a certain majority/percentage but that wasn't the case for this (even if the petition gets to point where it has to be spoke about in parliament again aha)  

Posted by Thallen

Jesus, 60/40? I'd obviously understand if it was within the margin of error, but 60/40 seems very strict.


Well, it's a matter of popular vote. To be perfectly blunt, prejudice is allowed to effect the way someone votes. Not to mention, I think it's fair game for any Briton to say, "Islam is behind the problems in the Middle East, so I don't want it to be such a large presence around me." Apparently, London didn't think that way though and I think they're the most affected by it.

And you have black terrorist in Kongo and whereelse in Africa. Yet you live around them too. Or fellow Americans who go crazy and do shootings. Yet you live around them too. But if they are Muslim, you don't want them around you

Posted by G Fatal

Doubt there will be a second referendum, we've made our decision.Although I do agree it should have been a certain majority/percentage but that wasn't the case for this (even if the petition gets to point where it has to be spoke about in parliament again aha)

It already got to that point. Yesterday it had 150.000 out of the 100.000 needed signature and by now the petition have over 1 million signatures  

Posted by Chelterrar

And you have black terrorist in Kongo and whereelse in Africa. Yet you live around them too. Or fellow Americans who go crazy and do shootings. Yet you live around them too.

I don't know why you're using these examples though. I've never suggested it has anything to do with terrorism or Muslims being bad people. I'm sure there are many prideful Brits out there who feel as if the large influx of Muslim immigrants is causing a major change that they don't want or appreciate, and if that's their opinion then it's fair.

Ask Xenthic about it, he's from the UK and far more passionate and opinionated about it than me. He might go as far as to tell you that he believes Muslim immigrants are attempting to overpopulate and control elections. My point is that Brits, or anyone, aren't bigots, racists, or bad people if they ever want to keep immigration levels of a certain people at a particular level to preserve their nation as what it is.