every single time this comes up i feel like the MoD guild library is forgotten


doesn't it have all the guild achievements?  

Posted by Count

every single time this comes up i feel like the MoD guild library is forgotten


doesn't it have all the guild achievements?

it's not enough bro we need to immortalize these ancient Graal achievements in a list hanging over Graal City so people can see that ___ managed to get 2000 hours when 800 people played and Sardon's had 2000 HP and defended itself

because that data is relevant today and adds to the competitive environment  

Posted by G Fatal

Probably because you guys deleted the history of it all without even involving the players/competitive guilds in the leaderboard.

Nope it's still there and updating in the background.  

Posted by fp4

All time records will never be part of the Leaderboards.

Tbh 100% A LOT of my friends have quit because of all these updates.

But I'll just wait and see what other updates you guys bring, you seem to know what your doing.

But I myself miss all time leader boards the challenge isn't there anymore for me in my opinion I rather try and get in to the most kills all time but that just my opinion and I guess it dosn't matter  

Towering was harder in 2010. Then became easier after allies were added. Anyways, i wouldn't mind an all-time leaderboard for spars, pks, guild spars, towering. just would be cool to see. Other than that, Seasonal is more useful.  

Posted by qes

Towering was harder in 2010. Then became easier after allies were added. Anyways, i wouldn't mind an all-time leaderboard for spars, pks, guild spars, towering. just would be cool to see. Other than that, Seasonal is more useful.

I love seasonal, but I also feel like seasonal only promotes temporary towering (the other activities: pk, spar, etc. are fine) which is what classic was trying to get away from. I assume there's more changes coming to the guild and towering system soon, which could cause good reason to not have an all-time leaderboard, but for the most part, I feel like all-time leaderboards is one of the best motivators to tower in 1 guild and go far. I also see no downside to all-time leaderboards for PK & spar. Seasonal should definitely be the focus, though.  

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This thread is just for the views, ik it won't happen... but yeah proves a point still that majority didn't actually want it to be scrapped whether anyone disagrees or agrees is irrelevant as statistic are there.  

I'd still like to see the All-Time boards, at least in PK and BK a lot of those players are still active and those boards were changing constantly when they were removed. It's not impossible to get up nor does it have to take forever.

We don't even need prizes for them, they should just be there for show. Prizes could stay in Seasonal and I'm sure no one would have a problem with it. The All-Time leaderboards provided incentive enough itself for plenty of players and kept them sticking around to reach their goals.

I know it won't be readded but I just wanted to state my opinion on it anyways.

Btw, are the records that were added into the Battle Arena library ever going to actually be completed or do we just get to see only Anyu & Jeffy for the rest of eternity?  

Posted by TeK

Btw, are the records that were added into the Battle Arena library ever going to actually be completed or do we just get to see only Anyu & Jeffy for the rest of eternity?

ONLY THE BEST OF US MAY BE DISPLAYED.  

It's pretty much common sense why current competition is better to display than competition that happened years ago.

I can't see why guilds with 1,000 hours feel like they deserve constant and special recognition for their achievments, it's a pretty easy feat a ton of guilds have done and it is not really anything worth dedicating a leaderboard too. Guilds that reached 5k/10k didn't do it to be #1 they did it because they enjoyed it and talking to any of them you can tell they don't care about leaderboards and they have recieved all the recognition amongst players they will get anyways.

If a new player joins a game and sees the current PK leaderboard has people with hundreds of thousands of kills it will probably kill all the competition that person has because passing them is near impossible, but when a new player joins and sees the leaderboard shows current competition then they are more likely to participate because they actually stand a fair chance, same goes with towering and baddy killing.

If you wasted your time doing something you didn't enjoy just to be on a leaderboard then it's kind of your fault, especially considering I don't think many people ever cared about the leaderboards that much aside from those on it.  

Posted by Colin

It's pretty much common sense why current competition is better to display than competition that happened years ago.

I can't see why guilds with 1,000 hours feel like they deserve constant and special recognition for their achievments, it's a pretty easy feat a ton of guilds have done and it is not really anything worth dedicating a leaderboard too. Guilds that reached 5k/10k didn't do it to be #1 they did it because they enjoyed it and talking to any of them you can tell they don't care about leaderboards and they have recieved all the recognition amongst players they will get anyways.

If a new player joins a game and sees the current PK leaderboard has people with hundreds of thousands of kills it will probably kill all the competition that person has because passing them is near impossible, but when a new player joins and sees the leaderboard shows current competition then they are more likely to participate because they actually stand a fair chance, same goes with towering and baddy killing.

That's all true, but doesn't account for everything. It's not even about towering. People strive to be the best in the game. Once you get past weekly, monthly, and even seasonal scoreboards, most people want to be at the top. No one who had lots of PKs, PKed to get at the top of the daily leaderboard. They did it to rise in the total leaderboard. Seasonal leaderboards are a good thing, but so is all-time leaderboards. No one simply doesn't PK because they see the #1 person has a lot of kills. If they were discouraged by that, having seasonal leaderboards wouldn't change their motivation. They would still look at the seasonal leaderboard, see a bunch of kills for the #1 person, and still be discouraged. Those are the types of people who never care to PK to begin with. I don't care what happens, but I'm just explaining how this is a mistake; although it's classic's mistake to make. I agree the all-time leaderboards was too big when it came to towering since it showed 40 1k guilds on it, but that doesn't mean all-time leaderboards discourages players, because it does the complete opposite.  

Posted by qes

Towering was harder in 2010.

I don't understand how that can be said objectively. It was much easier to hold towers when I started playing in 2011 due to their design and ridiculous flag HPs. Conversely, that'd mean it was much more difficult to attack and take towers. So basically, it was extremely empowering for the larger, stronger guilds.

There was also a lot less players back then. There were no limitations on hat spots for a while. All of that together should have just allowed the strongest guilds to continue getting stronger. That doesn't sound harder to me, it just sounds more oppressive for smaller guilds and rewarding for larger guilds...  

No, the total leaderboard shows total kills.

The current system shows kills/spars/hours for the day, week, and season.

That means everyone has an equal chance because eventually the scores will reset and the compeition wil start out fresh.

The all-time leaderboard doesn't reset so competing to get on it is useless when people who have had thousands of hours of a head start are on it and will continue to remain on it.  

Posted by Colin

No, the total leaderboard shows total kills.

The current system shows kills/spars/hours for the day, week, and season.

That means everyone has an equal chance because eventually the scores will reset and the compeition wil start out fresh.

The all-time leaderboard doesn't reset so competing to get on it is useless when people who have had thousands of hours of a head start are on it and will continue to remain on it.

That makes no sense. That's like saying people are already so rich, so there's no point in trying to get rich yourself. It's supposed to take time to get to the top of an all-time leaderboard. I'm in favor of seasonal leaderboards. I know exactly what they are... But all-time leaderboards are meant to be a competition for those striving to be the "best of the best". It's not supposed to come easy and quick, it's supposed to take a while to beat the best people in the game, but that doesn't mean it's pointless, because it's not.