#JohnKasich2016  

Posted by Yog

You're missing my entire point. Me asking someone to tell me what Trump's stances where was rhetorical. Because some people keep saying how they are solid yet aren't saying what they are. And he's been caught in so many lies, and has changed his stances constantly I don't even think they know what his stances are.

Essentially it was bait, and you fell for it. GJ.

You're probably gonna complain that I'm not providing citation for all this stuff (even though of course, you can just google, since you've proved you're so very capable of that) here's an example of Trump blatantly lying to his supporters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ&t=14m44s

If you're on mobile skip to 14:44. Can't find the source to that video anymore.

http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/...a-appeals.html

You're probably gonna use the same excuse that all candidates are liars, so do me a favour and find one scenario where Bernie Sanders was caught in a lie. I'm serious too. If you can I would very much love to see it.

Not sure what exactly you think just happened. I provided a list of his political ideals, and you replied saying that he has changed his opinion a few times.

If someone is a trump supporter and they don't know what his policies are they are an idiot, just like I'd say a sanders supporter is an idiot if they didn't know what his policy is. I'm sticking to what I said, his policies aren't some secret that he regularly switches to trick people into voting for him. All you need to do to know what he believes is to regularly watch/read the news, which is something you should be doing if you are voting anyway.

Your "bait" is garbage and doesn't prove anything besides that I (a registered democrat) doesn't pay attention to everything Trump says.


Also, sorry, maybe Sanders' lies aren't as harmful as Trump's, but he ain't a saint.
http://www.politifact.com/personalit...yruling/false/  

Posted by 5hift

Whatever needs to be done to keep illegal immigrants from coming over needs to be done from where they come from.

Well, it isn't, and it isn't our problem.

Posted by 5hift

Life is **** down in Mexico and SA, do you honestly think their citizens would be desperately trying to escape to here if it wasn't?

Again, this isn't our problem. Mexico needs to get their **** together. The Middle East does, too. We need to stop wasting time and resources trying to stabilize areas that don't want to be stabilized. We just get ****ed in the end. I'd like to be selfish and look out for ourselves for 4 or 8 years.

The people whining about Trump wanting to stop illegal aliens from illegally coming here are the insane ones, not him. Americans have been softened and sensitized the point where it's "racist" or "bad" to want to protect our country's interests. That's stupid.  

Posted by MrSimons

Not sure what exactly you think just happened. I provided a list of his political ideals, and you replied saying that he has changed his opinion a few times.

And he lied, multiple times.

Posted by MrSimons

Your "bait" is garbage and doesn't prove anything besides that I (a registered democrat) doesn't pay attention to everything Trump says.

No, maybe not you specifically, but some people in this thread, and even one of my best friends doesn't actually understand what Trump's stances are and still trash-talk other candidates while Praising Trump.

Posted by MrSimons

Also, sorry, maybe Sanders' lies aren't as harmful as Trump's, but he ain't a saint.
http://www.politifact.com/personalit...yruling/false/

These are kinda misleading and are opinionated. For example

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ountry-capita/

Yes, he said we spend twice, but it's true that we do spend significantly more on healthcare. It was just a mistake. Not a lie.  

Posted by MrSimons

Didn't say I agreed with the idea; he has no way of getting them out in the first place. I think its significant because it gives a better idea of how he feels about illegal immigrants, shows that he doesn't think they all are a bunch of criminals who need to be banned permanently from the US.

Yes it does and that was the point of my reply. He knows how hard it will be for them to come back, so that's the only reason he "supports" them coming here legally. That's not even taking into consideration of any new requisites added to the process.

Posted by Thallen

I don't understand how any human being with the United States' interests in consideration can disagree with that, nor do I understand how anyone can be against even the idea of building a protective wall to make it more difficult for illegals from Mexico to enter the US

Truly amazing to me that people have brainwashed themselves to think that these are bad things

Brainwashed? lol yeah buddy. We should build a wall around fl too, so we can keep the cubans away. all they need to do is touch land and they good. Where do the chinese get smuggled in from? lets build a wall there.

Posted by Thallen

I don't understand how any human being with the United States' interests in consideration can disagree with that, nor do I understand how anyone can be against even the idea of building a protective wall to make it more difficult for illegals from Mexico to enter the US

Truly amazing to me that people have brainwashed themselves to think that these are bad things

Let me see.
Take fulgy's taxed money to build a wall that will do very little to slow down border crossings. Let me introduce you too the cartel tunnels and hidden compartments in vehicles. I'm sure they could start going through Canada or even better, go to Cuba and then go through Fl.


The real people going against the US's best interests are the sander haters that want to allow the rich to keep hiding their money while the middle class takes on the burden of paying for the real free loaders.  

Posted by Yog

These are kinda misleading and are opinionated. For example

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ountry-capita/

Yes, he said we spend twice, but it's true that we do spend significantly more on healthcare. It was just a mistake. Not a lie.

Well it is more of a fact checking site. I totally agree with you about Sanders being pretty clean compared to other candidates though.

However I'd say the site is rather unbiased. You can look at what they have on other candidates as well; but it does suit your view on Trump rather well.

http://www.politifact.com/personalit...ng/pants-fire/  

Posted by Thallen

Again, this isn't our problem. Mexico needs to get their **** together. The Middle East does, too. We need to stop wasting time and resources trying to stabilize areas that don't want to be stabilized. We just get ****ed in the end. I'd like to be selfish and look out for ourselves for 4 or 8 years.

The people whining about Trump wanting to stop illegal aliens from illegally coming here are the insane ones, not him. Americans have been softened and sensitized the point where it's "racist" or "bad" to want to protect our country's interests. That's stupid.

Precisly.

Only, it becomes our problem when nobody else does anything about it.

I really think the whole idea of immigration isnt as much as a domestic policy than it is a foreign one.

All these countries need to work something out before one of them loses their ****.  

Posted by MrSimons

Well it is more of a fact checking site. I totally agree with you about Sanders being pretty clean compared to other candidates though.

However I'd say the site is rather unbiased. You can look at what they have on other candidates as well; but it does suit your view on Trump rather well.

http://www.politifact.com/personalit...ng/pants-fire/

Yeah I'm not saying the site was biased, I'm just saying it wasn't a good example.

I'm just disappointed that finally an honest candidate that refused to be backed up and bought with Super PACs is being ignored by people like Donald Trump supporters, where Trump has been caught in lies.

Im afraid Bernie is right about when he says the election is about who can raise the most money.  

@GOAT

I'm not going to say sorry to you because I'm lucky enough to come from wealth, that isn't something to apologize for. I also don't understand why it has become the trend to view anyone with wealth as evil and greedy. My parents both were raised on farms before moving out, and worked very hard to earn the money they do now, and I'm incredibly proud of it. I refuse to be shamed into another stance because I'm viewed poorly for coming from wealth. I value working hard for money, not giving it to people, hence why I want to create jobs instead of welfare handouts, hence Trump. And I only voted Trump because Rubio and Kasich don't really have a chance. (Rubio was still in when I voted a few days ago).  

Posted by Fulgore

I value working hard for money, not giving it to people, hence why I want to create jobs instead of welfare handouts, hence Trump. And I only voted Trump because Rubio and Kasich don't really have a chance. (Rubio was still in when I voted a few days ago).

Where are you getting welfare handouts from? Again, you seem to be talking about something you don't know enough about. Bernie Sanders wants to create more jobs, and he has plans on how to get the funding for that.  

Posted by Yog

Where are you getting welfare handouts from? Again, you seem to be talking about something you don't know enough about. Bernie Sanders wants to create more jobs, and he has plans on how to get the funding for that.

Was not quoting you or anything about Bernie on that last comment, though I admire how eager to just attack / argue you are. (probably not attack but I figured I'd leave the option open)

Either way, it's as Thallen said earlier, discussion on Bernie is pointless because he lost already.  

Posted by Fulgore

Was not quoting you or anything about Bernie on that last comment, though I admire how eager to just attack / argue you are. (probably not attack but I figured I'd leave the option open)

Still doesn't explain where the hell welfare came from.  

Im pretty sure most people here cant even vote anyway sooooo  

Posted by Yog

Still doesn't explain where the hell welfare came from.

Take a look at the history of Democrats and social aid programs. Wasn't talking about Bernie in specific, but it is quite clear which of the 2 parties is in favor of these kinds of handouts. Pretending they don't exist is just ignorant, as welfare at this point in time is starting to edge on dependency for some, no doubt.  

Posted by Fulgore

Take a look at the history of Democrats and social aid programs. Wasn't talking about Bernie in specific, but it is quite clear which of the 2 parties is in favor of these kinds of handouts. Pretending they don't exist is just ignorant, as welfare at this point in time is starting to edge on dependency for some, no doubt.

The reason welfare exists is because there aren't enough jobs. I understand you say Donald Trump wants to create more jobs, but not only does he not know how he's going to do that, he says he wants to take jobs from china,

when his own clothing is manufactured in China. Something he could easily move over here. He isn't saying what's true. He's saying what you want to hear. Hell, I don't think he even wants to create better paying jobs. I could see him just wanting presidency to increase his profit, as crazy as that sounds.

Spoiler

http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Business/abc_donald_trump_made_in_china_products_dm_110428_wmain_4x3_608.jpg (Unsupported image host)

I don't see Hillary or Bernie wanting to increase welfare. I see them wanting to create better paying jobs. Let's be honest, they are the only possible choice for the Democratic party.

So let me ask again, where did the welfare part come from?

Posted by Fulgore

Either way, it's as Thallen said earlier, discussion on Bernie is pointless because he lost already.

The same people saying he has already lost are the same people saying he wasn't going to make it this far. It's not true.