5 Guilds Only Update - 12

qes · 03-01-2016

Good update, I hope they add a good points system and other things to give guilds more things to do together. And I like the idea of being able to hold onto your old guilds by turning them into something like a "family" or something.

Marc · 03-01-2016

Maybe possibility to create a family tag that doesn't require a guild but like if they implement some like new chat system when you talk to your party or your guild members maybe add a family chat, and if u decide to leave your family would cost like 1k and if u want to start a family like 5k and then you can recruit, just an idea on the spot.

And the family name is like auto set in your name after your user.

qes · 03-01-2016

http://www.graalians.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3491
http://www.graalians.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14542 throw back. why i like this update, i always hated the guild system on iclassic.

Drea · 03-01-2016

Posted by Thallen

If you guys really utilize guilds as friend storage or some form of group chat then iClassic should legitimize the old/dead families trend (like how I uselessly tag Enguard in my name).

It could be like a guild except it just appends something to your name (or not?) and has no additional effect other than giving you another chat stream where you can talk to all of them, similar to guild chat. Can only join one family. Wouldn't even have to be a limit to how many people are in each family since there's no real benefit other than social purposes. IDK. I'm sure this would remedy needing to be in 15 different friend guilds when you could just put them all in a family.

Love this idea.

being able to set a family tag in your name might be cool, people can own 1 and join 1, allowing them to have 2 overall. That way it's more fair for people who want to own one and join a friends.

although its too similar to actual guilds, except the fact that there's no benefits. Also it would be hard to manage a family without being able to have a news, member viewing and a chat, just like a regular guild.

Edit: Maybe there can be a leader board for combined family stats? Pks, Bks, spar wins-loses, Just a thought. It Would add competition to make your family greater, although it wouldn't be that great without a max family limit.

Areo · 03-01-2016

Posted by Drea

Edit: Maybe there can be a leader board for combined family stats? Pks, Bks, spar wins-loses, Just a thought. It Would add competition to make your family greater, although it wouldn't be that great without a max family limit.

Guild stats leaderboard instead, imo.

Thallen · 03-01-2016

Posted by Drea

Maybe there can be a leader board for combined family stats? Pks, Bks, spar wins-loses, Just a thought. It Would add competition to make your family greater, although it wouldn't be that great without a max family limit.

I think that's taking it too far and making it a secondary guild system, seems more like a feature suited for guilds if anything

Drea · 03-01-2016

Posted by Areo

Guild stats leaderboard instead, imo.

Posted by Thallen

I think that's taking it too far and making it a secondary guild system, seems more like a feature suited for guilds if anything

yeah, that's the whole downfall with the idea tho, its way too similar to actual guilds.

Guild stats leaderboard would be nice if there was a loyalty aspect added to joining guilds, so people dont want to just come and go to the best guilds, they'd want to help their own and not guild hop, although it would probably still happen.

WaFFL3Cake · 03-01-2016

Posted by Marc

And the family name is like auto set in your name after your user.

Auto setting to the end of a name is a bad idea and here's why:
My name used to be Mike J0S3PH44.
When I was in Advent V, they made a family thing where you put V in your name. I didnt like Mike J0S3PH44 V, I liked Mike J0S3PH44. When I was a part of Azari, that worked at the end of my name. For the 2 days where I joined the Anti family (from people in Sinners), it only worked at the beginning of my name, Anti Mike J0S3PH44. So certain names work best in different spots.

I don't have a solution..maybe having a spot in one's profile??

0.5 · 03-01-2016

Is this really a start of a good DIRECTION for towering guilds? You have to think ahead sometimes..

Tbh as a tower leader when you make subs you want to be in it and have powers now you can only be in 5 guilds so you would probably just make a noob account for each sub not wanting to leave your other guilds but that just is a BIG PAIN in my opinion

Lets be honest maybe in the future you will INCREASE guilds limits from 25 maybe lets say 50? Do you think this will still solve subs ..? No I doubt they will still have subs I'm 100.1% sure for there offlines they will most WILLING to want to fill their MAIN guild up

I just see HOGGING towers even more and less competition people will want to fill their guilds up pretty high and thats all they got to do to get a fast easier 1k by just spamming noob recruits and I also see this preventing starting guilds who DONT do back to back guilds just making this harder...

And increasing the guild maximum of people to 50 ( lets say 50 im guessing) I'm guessing the leader will then choose 50 to give a 1k hat too giving more people a 1k hat making it even less SPECIAL and LESS WORK ? Ok Ok but doing back to back guild just leads them to hand over 50 people 1k hats am i right? But thats not preventing or making towering any better they will then do back to back guilds giving over 50 people + each guild they do back to back meaning 1k Hat population will go up for them...

Maybe I'm talking ahead OFC .. Graal will probably not let a FULL 50 guild limit all inside tower but this just leads to sword spamming outside towers or wherever they can be ...

OFC .. they probably would then RAISE the 1k hours right? To a lot higher? Still the same thing a way easier way and harder for a STARTING guild and a lot would just stay with the back to back guilds getting a super easy hat simple and this those who do not do back to back this just makes it a TON harder then it already is tbh to just get to even 1k hours if they raise it

Sure this means more people HAVE to stay LOYAL to a guild tag and SURE this stops BFM ( doing there last 1k in matter of fact) but this still dosn't stop other guilds like Ohana* who have mostly noobs who OFC not in that MANY guilds *YET* and they can still just leave the next 1k they do and keep going

OFC I do find this new LIMIT to have PROS N' CONS and I could write pages but tbh

You must have a super great idea fixing these Towering guilds tags which I am excited to see

Thallen · 03-03-2016

Posted by 0.5

long post

Seems like there are a lot of things you aren't understanding. I'm not staff, but I have a pretty good idea of the direction they're going with the new system. A lot of your concerns are invalid because they won't even exist. They are trying to make guilds... actual guilds. As in, you have to pick a few, commit to them, and achieve things with them.

You make a lot of mentions of 1k hours and noob recruits. Those two things will not exist. You won't be towering to a specific number of hours anymore. You will be towering, sparring, PKing, or doing other things to achieve a certain amount of points. With points, you can then redeem things like hats, mounts, etc.
Noob recruiting will no longer be a thing because guilds are going to be penalized for kicking members or having members leave.

There will be no benefit to recycling/restarting guilds or spam recruiting, so guilds will not do it. You can create a guild and spam recruit/kick and you will sit at 0 (or negative) points. Points are what will get you rewards, not hours. Therefore, no one will do it. If by chance anyone does do it, it'll be guilds that clearly exist just for fun. Nothing wrong with that.

The first step to making these changes is limiting players in the amount of guilds they can join. They just did that. Now, wait for them to do the rest.

Marc · 03-04-2016

I think admins should post something about it, like I knew about all that but I feel like it's blurry to the community people are lost and some peoples statuses make me laugh concerning the update.

Slacky · 03-04-2016

Posted by Aguzo

So how does this work?
I don't have to leave my current one's, but I won't be able to join any other guilds right?

What will this do exactly? What was this aimed for?

Will you guys add a dedicated guild house?
I am crossing my fingers, hoping that this will be further updated by the start of spring

I agree with this. I feel the limitation of guilds is absolutely unnecessary, unless other functionality is added to guilds. In the terms of guild houses . . . I'd like to see a communal guild hall where players can contribute to a guild bank which can be used to fund GH room expansions, each room has a theme (varying different amounts of gralats) and after the purchase of these rooms there would be additional addons(upgrades) that can be bought. These addons have different practicality from social -> resource production.

WaFFL3Cake · 03-04-2016

Posted by Slacky

In the terms of guild houses . .

http://www.graalians.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33723

Livid · 03-04-2016

wow, I cant be in more than 5 guilds to join another one? Im sorry I couldnt bother reading 12 pages of posts but could someone explain wtf this is even fixing or improving?
Honestly I dont wanna leave my guilds just because of a lame limiter to tower, most keep their tags for nostalgic reasons, I actually wear all my tags equally.

Areo · 03-04-2016

Posted by Livid

wow, I cant be in more than 5 guilds to join another one? Im sorry I couldnt bother reading 12 pages of posts but could someone explain wtf this is even fixing or improving?
Honestly I dont wanna leave my guilds just because of a lame limiter to tower, most keep their tags for nostalgic reasons, I actually wear all my tags equally.

Read the first two pages and you'll get the gist of it.

Basically making guilds something that matter, instead of just disposable/throwaway tags.

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qes Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 732	Good update, I hope they add a good points system and other things to give guilds more things to do together. And I like the idea of being able to hold onto your old guilds by turning them into something like a "family" or something.

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Marc Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 129	Maybe possibility to create a family tag that doesn't require a guild but like if they implement some like new chat system when you talk to your party or your guild members maybe add a family chat, and if u decide to leave your family would cost like 1k and if u want to start a family like 5k and then you can recruit, just an idea on the spot. And the family name is like auto set in your name after your user.

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0.5 verified ✔ Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 170	Is this really a start of a good DIRECTION for towering guilds? You have to think ahead sometimes.. Tbh as a tower leader when you make subs you want to be in it and have powers now you can only be in 5 guilds so you would probably just make a noob account for each sub not wanting to leave your other guilds but that just is a BIG PAIN in my opinion Lets be honest maybe in the future you will INCREASE guilds limits from 25 maybe lets say 50? Do you think this will still solve subs ..? No I doubt they will still have subs I'm 100.1% sure for there offlines they will most WILLING to want to fill their MAIN guild up I just see HOGGING towers even more and less competition people will want to fill their guilds up pretty high and thats all they got to do to get a fast easier 1k by just spamming noob recruits and I also see this preventing starting guilds who DONT do back to back guilds just making this harder... And increasing the guild maximum of people to 50 ( lets say 50 im guessing) I'm guessing the leader will then choose 50 to give a 1k hat too giving more people a 1k hat making it even less SPECIAL and LESS WORK ? Ok Ok but doing back to back guild just leads them to hand over 50 people 1k hats am i right? But thats not preventing or making towering any better they will then do back to back guilds giving over 50 people + each guild they do back to back meaning 1k Hat population will go up for them... Maybe I'm talking ahead OFC .. Graal will probably not let a FULL 50 guild limit all inside tower but this just leads to sword spamming outside towers or wherever they can be ... OFC .. they probably would then RAISE the 1k hours right? To a lot higher? Still the same thing a way easier way and harder for a STARTING guild and a lot would just stay with the back to back guilds getting a super easy hat simple and this those who do not do back to back this just makes it a TON harder then it already is tbh to just get to even 1k hours if they raise it Sure this means more people HAVE to stay LOYAL to a guild tag and SURE this stops BFM ( doing there last 1k in matter of fact) but this still dosn't stop other guilds like Ohana* who have mostly noobs who OFC not in that MANY guilds YET and they can still just leave the next 1k they do and keep going OFC I do find this new LIMIT to have PROS N' CONS and I could write pages but tbh You must have a super great idea fixing these Towering guilds tags which I am excited to see

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Marc Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 129	I think admins should post something about it, like I knew about all that but I feel like it's blurry to the community people are lost and some peoples statuses make me laugh concerning the update.

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Livid all for victory Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Townsville Posts: 4,222	wow, I cant be in more than 5 guilds to join another one? Im sorry I couldnt bother reading 12 pages of posts but could someone explain wtf this is even fixing or improving? Honestly I dont wanna leave my guilds just because of a lame limiter to tower, most keep their tags for nostalgic reasons, I actually wear all my tags equally.