No shop guns should be tradable, old vip maybe, new vip no, holiday maybe, but shop/event/prize room guns not at all. Being able to get rippers in under an hour without packs is just ridiculous, takes any effort out of the game.  

Posted by GenoIndeed

No shop guns should be tradable, old vip maybe, new vip no, holiday maybe, but shop/event/prize room guns not at all. Being able to get rippers in under an hour without packs is just ridiculous, takes any effort out of the game.

Kind of agree. But holiday and vip guns should be traded. Like I'm sorry, those VIP items are so useless I always sell them. Lmao. As for the prizey guns they should be traded honestly. Like let them sell the 1 one a kind gun they have. Who are you to tell them no? THIS IS A FREE SERVER! WE AREN'T CUBA! (no offense Cubans).

As for guns in general, again it would ruin the whole atmosphere of trading... Like I went through levels to get my ripper. Under an hour? Hell no. Took me like two days. I went from 20zc to grenade launcher. Then that to purple shotty thing. Then that to dart. To dart to watermelon. To watermelon to siphons. To siphons to ripper. Keeping in mind I still needed extra for a lot of those trades.

Still honestly the hardest trading I've done in my whole zone life.

Yes it should be nerfed.

But how?

Idk.

Make it so new players pay 1000 gralats to trade.

Make it so us players with over a certain amount of hours get it cheaper.

Oooh new idea.

Hours<100 1200 to trade
Hours<500 500 to trade
Hours<1000 100 to trade
Hours<2000 free.

Honestly would kinda make the whole grind more fair, plus we have 0 PERKS FOR BEING AN OLD PLAYER... OR FOR EVEN BUYING THE GAME ON THE FIRST DAY. AT LEAST ERA GAVE US HATS!

Posted by Skt A. Sangue

Kind of agree. But holiday and vip guns should be traded. Like I'm sorry, those VIP items are so useless I always sell them. Lmao. As for the prizey guns they should be traded honestly. Like let them sell the 1 one a kind gun they have. Who are you to tell them no? THIS IS A FREE SERVER! WE AREN'T CUBA! (no offense Cubans).

As for guns in general, again it would ruin the whole atmosphere of trading... Like I went through levels to get my ripper. Under an hour? Hell no. Took me like two days. I went from 20zc to grenade launcher. Then that to purple shotty thing. Then that to dart. To dart to watermelon. To watermelon to siphons. To siphons to ripper. Keeping in mind I still needed extra for a lot of those trades.

Still honestly the hardest trading I've done in my whole zone life.

Yes it should be nerfed.

But how?

Idk.

Make it so new players pay 1000 gralats to trade.

Make it so us players with over a certain amount of hours get it cheaper.

Oooh new idea.

Hours<100 1200 to trade
Hours<500 500 to trade
Hours<1000 100 to trade
Hours<2000 free.

Honestly would kinda make the whole grind more fair, plus we have 0 PERKS FOR BEING AN OLD PLAYER... OR FOR EVEN BUYING THE GAME ON THE FIRST DAY. AT LEAST ERA GAVE US HATS!

I'm cold. Cri.  

Posted by Skt A. Sangue

Kind of agree. But holiday and vip guns should be traded. Like I'm sorry, those VIP items are so useless I always sell them. Lmao. As for the prizey guns they should be traded honestly. Like let them sell the 1 one a kind gun they have. Who are you to tell them no? THIS IS A FREE SERVER! WE AREN'T CUBA! (no offense Cubans).

As for guns in general, again it would ruin the whole atmosphere of trading... Like I went through levels to get my ripper. Under an hour? Hell no. Took me like two days. I went from 20zc to grenade launcher. Then that to purple shotty thing. Then that to dart. To dart to watermelon. To watermelon to siphons. To siphons to ripper. Keeping in mind I still needed extra for a lot of those trades.

Still honestly the hardest trading I've done in my whole zone life.

Yes it should be nerfed.

But how?

Idk.

Make it so new players pay 1000 gralats to trade.

Make it so us players with over a certain amount of hours get it cheaper.

Oooh new idea.

Hours<100 1200 to trade
Hours<500 500 to trade
Hours<1000 100 to trade
Hours<2000 free.

Honestly would kinda make the whole grind more fair, plus we have 0 PERKS FOR BEING AN OLD PLAYER... OR FOR EVEN BUYING THE GAME ON THE FIRST DAY. AT LEAST ERA GAVE US HATS!



I'm cold. Cri.

Before you know it we'll have a bunch of noobs at start standing there saying "saving up hours for trade house" or maybe after an hour they can be warped to an area where gaining hours is not possible.  

Posted by Skt A. Sangue

Kind of agree. But holiday and vip guns should be traded. Like I'm sorry, those VIP items are so useless I always sell them. Lmao. As for the prizey guns they should be traded honestly. Like let them sell the 1 one a kind gun they have. Who are you to tell them no? THIS IS A FREE SERVER! WE AREN'T CUBA! (no offense Cubans).

As for guns in general, again it would ruin the whole atmosphere of trading... Like I went through levels to get my ripper. Under an hour? Hell no. Took me like two days. I went from 20zc to grenade launcher. Then that to purple shotty thing. Then that to dart. To dart to watermelon. To watermelon to siphons. To siphons to ripper. Keeping in mind I still needed extra for a lot of those trades.

Still honestly the hardest trading I've done in my whole zone life.

Yes it should be nerfed.

But how?

Idk.

Make it so new players pay 1000 gralats to trade.

Make it so us players with over a certain amount of hours get it cheaper.

Oooh new idea.

Hours<100 1200 to trade
Hours<500 500 to trade
Hours<1000 100 to trade
Hours<2000 free.

Honestly would kinda make the whole grind more fair, plus we have 0 PERKS FOR BEING AN OLD PLAYER... OR FOR EVEN BUYING THE GAME ON THE FIRST DAY. AT LEAST ERA GAVE US HATS!



I'm cold. Cri.

This is ridiculous. I'm sorry, but isn't the whole point of this thread to create ideas to attract new players? Most of your ideas all discourage new players, and ONLY benefit old players. You say 1/9 online players are trading. That's not going to last very long. This isn't era, and no one cares if you're showing off. This is Zone. Better yet, this is the future of Zone, and your ideas aren't helpful in the least.  

Posted by TWIZ

This is ridiculous. I'm sorry, but isn't the whole point of this thread to create ideas to attract new players? Most of your ideas all discourage new players, and ONLY benefit old players. You say 1/9 online players are trading. That's not going to last very long. This isn't era, and no one cares if you're showing off. This is Zone. Better yet, this is the future of Zone, and your ideas aren't helpful in the least.

No current players=no new players.

And actually this thread has nothing to do with new players.

It's the FUTURE of zone.

Doesn't mean we need new players. WoW has literally had 93% of the same players in the last two years m8.

Not only that, it's far easier to attract back old players with stuff in zone to come back than to somehow will people with 7000 hours on any other server to randomly join zone.

I like to live in this thing called reality where I know that zone won't get passed 1000 players online in the next 4 years if at all. I'd rather have 500 players online with the current 400ish than 400 players online with 100 current players quitting because of all these changes.


And I don't write ideas out. Not anymore. There's no fun in that. Read between the lines. There's a whole guide on how to run anything successfully. Like risk isn't what zone needs. No new graalian will pick zone over the other servers. That's absurd... Unless they're some type of scifi geek*. Our main new playerbase if any are existing graalians. Wanna know why people joined zone? It had the most updates. What happened? That's what made zone fun, good job to geno for actually doing something and FIXING things instead of just going onto whatever's next. Forget the mech suits we spent over 4 months testing. Forget all the map tile glitches. Want to bring in new players? Add more stuff. Zone is all about stuff. Add some. Don't take anything away from what's already here, it WORKS.

Posted by Weeno

Before you know it we'll have a bunch of noobs at start standing there saying "saving up hours for trade house" or maybe after an hour they can be warped to an area where gaining hours is not possible.

Honestly that last part has been said so many times for all the servers. Why unix hasn't listened to this... Idek.
For zone especially I could totally see that just being at the main tutorial place. Super chill. Make them read the rules again before getting out. It's a win for society too

As for the noobs ehh.

1000 hours is a lot.

And I used to fish all night(and literally all night. I set up a real life machine that would press the buttons for me(not botting mk. Nothing in the rules about it)) and I've played for the last 3 years and I'm still just at 2000.

Like noobs afking isn't new either though.

Like anybody who recruits and DOESN'T afk is... Lord have mercy on you.  

Classic already has the AFK timeout. Anyway, I don't know where you're getting this notion that we want to take content away. You contradict everything you say two lines after you say it, and it doesn't make any sense. Where the hell is content going to come from if you don't have an idea? There's no rulebook to attracting players, because that's circumstantial and subjective. Graal, since its beginning, has run off of pure creativity. The management is literal, it manages, but content is a whole 'nother story. It's based upon creativity, and without it you have nothing. The management is necessary as a catalyst for content, meaning without it you have nothing, but if you do have a good management, that doesn't mean you magically have content without any creativity. A square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn't a square.

I hope in this guide of yours, it doesn't say anything about removing something, and I hope that's coming out of your own head. You seem to be keen on fixing things, but sometimes the best way of fixing one thing is removing another. In fact, wasn't someone just saying we shouldn't add new things, and to just fix whatever is there? This whole argument is ridiculous, on second thought. There are contradictions on every single line.

Again, @Skt, no one cares if you're showing off, because that's completely irrelevant.  

@SKT You care only for the 'old players' because you are one yourself. The current players make up, what, 1000 people? The new, possible players make up 7,000,000,000 people (roughly). It's silly to think that appealing only to the current players will make Zone prosper.
Besides, new things are new to everybody, meaning if it's easy for new players to understand it'll be easy for the old players too.  

Skt, the idea here isnt to take away, its to prepare for the new stuff to come. For example, I cant add a lot of new stuff i have made until the trade and combat system is fixed and prepared for it.

I suggestef something in another post, ill copy it here too

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Or make better versions of the weapons so everyone has to work for them, and not in zc so everyone starts anew. Raise the hp to 100 allows more options with tiers, take all guns down one and replace the high tiers with thr new currency items (untradable) and the highest tier with special items (spar/pk prize rooms). Make every style of gun in different tiers, same with melees meaning more freezeless melees. No tradable shop guns or special/zc/new currency guns, new currency untradable also. With this, everyone has to do work for thr too guns, current players get a head start at most, any tradable guns are limited edition collection items and will not be tier 1 guns (tier 1- 200k pk/20k spar win/maybe highest of new currency stuff; tier 2- auction/mid prize room/expensive guns; tier 3- railgun, rippers, alien set, old vip; tier 4 and lower-etc), use this system for both melees and guns and thatll take care of that issue.

As for hats, put more of all of them into the game, mainly thru events, no more one of a kinds. Still keep the rare ones rarer but not to where like 2 people make the price (which is usually someone greedy), therefore people have a better chance of getting a hat and at a fair price.

Auction items: no one of a kinds, and auction off more of the ones we have.

As for trade admins, theyll need to document all items of value and keep up with the low and highest selling prices and maintain it.

As for zc, add a ton of new goodies to buy, and more uses for them (like consumables, maybe pay for uploads with them, raffles, etc"

"Genoindeed is on a distinguished road" wut  

Geno & Pig, both of you work for Zone and you're both in fairly high positions, but the time you take to make your post look only a little bit proffesional is highly disgusting. You make Zone seem like a mess...  

Posted by Gitaz

Geno & Pig, both of you work for Zone and you're both in fairly high positions, but the time you take to make your post look only a little bit proffesional is highly disgusting. You make Zone seem like a mess...

I don't know what you're even talking about.  

Posted by Platinum

@SKT You care only for the 'old players' because you are one yourself. The current players make up, what, 1000 people? The new, possible players make up 7,000,000,000 people (roughly). It's silly to think that appealing only to the current players will make Zone prosper.
Besides, new things are new to everybody, meaning if it's easy for new players to understand it'll be easy for the old players too.

Actually I don't even play zone.

Top keks, plot twistttt.

Haven't played zone in over like two months. Too boring. Not enough people who are good enough to actually melee. It's cri.

It's silly to think that changing things will make zone prosper.

How will people who do not play zone know of said changes? As I've said, only other graalians would even play zone.

Time and time and again when a new order is set the timid factor crumbles it down.

Posted by PigParty

I don't know what you're even talking about.

Ikr. Pig wrets elmost as weel as I doo.

Fr though pig writes like a baller when he wants to argue.

Posted by GenoIndeed

Skt, the idea here isnt to take away, its to prepare for the new stuff to come. For example, I cant add a lot of new stuff i have made until the trade and combat system is fixed and prepared for it.

I suggestef something in another post, ill copy it here too

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Or make better versions of the weapons so everyone has to work for them, and not in zc so everyone starts anew. Raise the hp to 100 allows more options with tiers, take all guns down one and replace the high tiers with thr new currency items (untradable) and the highest tier with special items (spar/pk prize rooms). Make every style of gun in different tiers, same with melees meaning more freezeless melees. No tradable shop guns or special/zc/new currency guns, new currency untradable also. With this, everyone has to do work for thr too guns, current players get a head start at most, any tradable guns are limited edition collection items and will not be tier 1 guns (tier 1- 200k pk/20k spar win/maybe highest of new currency stuff; tier 2- auction/mid prize room/expensive guns; tier 3- railgun, rippers, alien set, old vip; tier 4 and lower-etc), use this system for both melees and guns and thatll take care of that issue.

As for hats, put more of all of them into the game, mainly thru events, no more one of a kinds. Still keep the rare ones rarer but not to where like 2 people make the price (which is usually someone greedy), therefore people have a better chance of getting a hat and at a fair price.

Auction items: no one of a kinds, and auction off more of the ones we have.

As for trade admins, theyll need to document all items of value and keep up with the low and highest selling prices and maintain it.

As for zc, add a ton of new goodies to buy, and more uses for them (like consumables, maybe pay for uploads with them, raffles, etc"

"Genoindeed is on a distinguished road" wut

I like hoe to copied your character stats too. Lmao.

Geno gets it m9. Or at least more than anyone else.

Look m8s, I'm down for adding things in. I do believe that there needs to be new melees. I do want more ZC items. But that's ZC items. Trading itself isn't the reason why zone is doing so poorly. Instead of focusing on the reason why people play zone, let's fix other things first. Geno I agree with most if your ideas since you're actually realistic and realize that zone isn't rocket league. Small changes are good. For example whoever made it so all guns can be seen- you probably made the player count rise like 2 a day. But to change a system? Like no. It's not about appealing to old players. It's about keeping those players happy. How can you expect 7 billion people to play if you can't even keep the limited 1000 we have.

Fr. Guys actually read what I've read, I could give a flying horse crap about whoevers going to join. I care about us in general. New old, whatever it be. Just think about this for a moment and actually think about it. Do you really want to deal with another currency? Like I've said, this has been turn down multiple times. I was once even in favor of ideas like this.

Tash said it on the old forums. I'd wish to copy what he wrote since I feel like people could give a poop about what I have to say(js but on every issue I've been on the majority side with the players mk), literally Zone has enough as it is. No point in adding to our mess to try to solve it.

This isn't World of Vacs(if you haven't played this game you don't have a life) where you just throw a vaccum over another vaccuum to clean up the mess in that vaccum.

I actually find it ridiculous that this is even what were talking about. Like fr. Ike fr. Like fr.

Like I'm just going to completely change topics, DOESN'T ANYBODY THINK THAT GENO SHOULD BE CHANGED TITLES? LIKE HE DOES MORE THAN GUNS. #WEAPONSADMEM mk.


Again, I'm not an old player. I joined the first day and then quit for over three years. I will however say that I rose quickly to get to where I was. I don't think it's fair to let some players have that and some others can't. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. Writes something else someone will argue about. Etc etc. So this morning I had cup ramen noodles. Etc etc.

Like y'all just bandwagonning with era trying to get rid of gun trades and adding extra currency. I remember when zone used to be unique... With skybases... And melees that were good... And in game forums... And Tash(#TashComeBack). Fr though tash had the best username of anymanager. Alex y you has boring neme?

Actually no Alex is chill. He recruits people to his squad.

Ahem ahem.

Tash.

Your squad news literally says "for active zone play users"... Was never recruited... I cri.  

Ik trading isn't the biggest issue, but its causing ghe biggest issue in delay for for future weapon and combat improvements/additions. It was rushed in as basically a ratings trap of some sort and was not fully planned out, and now has to be dealt with before its too late, and the solution i offered is whats best for the development of zone, along with stabilizing what we have now it'll open the door for much better updates than with our current system.  

Posted by Skt A. Sangue

Actually I don't even play zone.

Top keks, plot twistttt.

Haven't played zone in over like two months. Too boring. Not enough people who are good enough to actually melee. It's cri.

It's silly to think that changing things will make zone prosper.

How will people who do not play zone know of said changes? As I've said, only other graalians would even play zone.

Time and time and again when a new order is set the timid factor crumbles it down.

Ikr. Pig wrets elmost as weel as I doo.

Fr though pig writes like a baller when he wants to argue.



I like hoe to copied your character stats too. Lmao.

Geno gets it m9. Or at least more than anyone else.

Look m8s, I'm down for adding things in. I do believe that there needs to be new melees. I do want more ZC items. But that's ZC items. Trading itself isn't the reason why zone is doing so poorly. Instead of focusing on the reason why people play zone, let's fix other things first. Geno I agree with most if your ideas since you're actually realistic and realize that zone isn't rocket league. Small changes are good. For example whoever made it so all guns can be seen- you probably made the player count rise like 2 a day. But to change a system? Like no. It's not about appealing to old players. It's about keeping those players happy. How can you expect 7 billion people to play if you can't even keep the limited 1000 we have.

Fr. Guys actually read what I've read, I could give a flying horse crap about whoevers going to join. I care about us in general. New old, whatever it be. Just think about this for a moment and actually think about it. Do you really want to deal with another currency? Like I've said, this has been turn down multiple times. I was once even in favor of ideas like this.

Tash said it on the old forums. I'd wish to copy what he wrote since I feel like people could give a poop about what I have to say(js but on every issue I've been on the majority side with the players mk), literally Zone has enough as it is. No point in adding to our mess to try to solve it.

This isn't World of Vacs(if you haven't played this game you don't have a life) where you just throw a vaccum over another vaccuum to clean up the mess in that vaccum.

I actually find it ridiculous that this is even what were talking about. Like fr. Ike fr. Like fr.

Like I'm just going to completely change topics, DOESN'T ANYBODY THINK THAT GENO SHOULD BE CHANGED TITLES? LIKE HE DOES MORE THAN GUNS. #WEAPONSADMEM mk.


Again, I'm not an old player. I joined the first day and then quit for over three years. I will however say that I rose quickly to get to where I was. I don't think it's fair to let some players have that and some others can't. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. Writes something else someone will argue about. Etc etc. So this morning I had cup ramen noodles. Etc etc.

Like y'all just bandwagonning with era trying to get rid of gun trades and adding extra currency. I remember when zone used to be unique... With skybases... And melees that were good... And in game forums... And Tash(#TashComeBack). Fr though tash had the best username of anymanager. Alex y you has boring neme?

Actually no Alex is chill. He recruits people to his squad.

Ahem ahem.

Tash.

Your squad news literally says "for active zone play users"... Was never recruited... I cri.

One of your arguments in this post: everyone should have an equal chance to become "pro", if you will.

Another one of your previous arguments: we should put an hour requirement on trading, so you pay a certain amount of gralats if you have a certain amount of hours.

Do you realize just how contradictory this is? Seriously, you said it yourself, at least 1/9 online players are in the trade house. The majority of these players likely have hours under 500 hours, simply because they want items weapons. Let me emphasize that -- they want items and weapons. Do you think that's going to last very long if they need to do a giant down payment for every single trade? Do you think they're going to take the time to make 500 gralats for a simple trade only worth 100 zc? No. This only makes the old players richer, yet again supporting our argument. Having a good trade system is just as important, if not more important than skybases and an in game forum, which I still do think it was an illogical decision to remove.  

I agree with the equal chance to become pro, which is why i want gun trading gone, and nerfed a bit so people have to work for the better new stuff coming.

Plus, working for stuff makes you an overall better player than getting freebies  

Posted by GenoIndeed

I agree with the equal chance to become pro, which is why i want gun trading gone, and nerfed a bit so people have to work for the better new stuff coming.

Plus, working for stuff makes you an overall better player than getting freebies

However, from another perspective: In Graal, your character is essentially supposed to be a second you, and yes there are rules just like in real life you can't hack or be racist or any of that. However, you are in control of what you want to do with the things you do own and therefore you should not be limited in what you can trade as this would make trading more boring. I think that the Zone economy is very inflated at the moment, and just to need to nerf the amount of ZC you can earn.