Posted by Aguzo

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I was trying to say shutting down the server is a bad idea, I'm all for streaming if it's a better experience than watching the matches in the viewing rooms  

Posted by Aguzo

Is runescape streaming some sort of event that happens rarely? I don't think that game has any competitive aspect to it. As for an mmorpg, graal isn't about grinding levels.

Graal wouldn't pull in thousands on the first stream, it takes to build up a community. Did graal have 1,000 players on it's first day of launch? No. Just because you might not want to watch the stream doesn't mean that others won't.

Ruling out graal from having a chance without knowing how many users actually log on daily? There are probably twice if not more than twice the player count that is sustained daily of the amount that of users actually logging on to the game. Maybe Graal gets 8,000 different users online, maybe 16,000, even if they logged on at different times of the day just for a brief moment. If it were 16,000, then I don't see why graal can't accomplish a viewership in the thousand mark, if they work hard at achieving that goal.

The point is to no belittle graal. You never know how something will play out, until it actually happens.

RuneScape has been steaming weekly for years. It's pretty competitive in terms of the highscores and PvP, some streamers reach up to 20k viewers playing it. A lot of the viewers don't even play RuneScape, they just watch because it's entertaining. Sparring isn't that entertaining and isn't really appealing to new players or even a lot of current players. It's unrealistic to think that Graal will achieve thousands of views with it's current playerbase.  

Posted by Aguzo

Is runescape streaming some sort of event that happens rarely? I don't think that game has any competitive aspect to it. As for an mmorpg, graal isn't about grinding levels.

Graal wouldn't pull in thousands on the first stream, it takes to build up a community. Did graal have 1,000 players on it's first day of launch? No. Just because you might not want to watch the stream doesn't mean that others won't.

Ruling out graal from having a chance without knowing how many users actually log on daily? There are probably twice if not more than twice the player count that is sustained daily of the amount that of users actually logging on to the game. Maybe Graal gets 8,000 different users online, maybe 16,000, even if they logged on at different times of the day just for a brief moment. If it were 16,000, then I don't see why graal can't accomplish a viewership in the thousand mark, if they work hard at achieving that goal.

The point is to no belittle graal. You never know how something will play out, until it actually happens.

You could build a sufficient audience on just about any game/stupid topic if you have a team working hard and smart about strategy. This isn't just about graal its about the individuals that dedicate the time and frustration to building an audience over the years. Thats a full time job.

Also if it only streamed every 3 months or so that hurts viewership.

Should look at it at we would like to stream for fun first and if you manage to get any success out of it then its a plus.

I think its a good idea to improve gst experience but shutting down server parts/outrageous dream numbers are out of the question. Just do it for fun for now and youll find out quick about how hard it really is to build an audience with a $0 budget.

Posted by James205

You could build a sufficient audience on just about any game/stupid topic if you have a team working hard and smart about strategy. This isn't just about graal its about the individuals that dedicate the time and frustration to building an audience over the years. Thats a full time job.

Also if it only streamed every 3 months or so that hurts viewership.

Should look at it at we would like to stream for fun first and if you manage to get any success out of it then its a plus.

I think its a good idea to improve gst experience but shutting down server parts/outrageous dream numbers are out of the question. Just do it for fun for now and youll find out quick about how hard it really is to build an audience with a $0 budget.

Also remember most of the successful streamers do it as a full time job, it's a lot of work.  

Posted by James205

You could build a sufficient audience on just about any game/stupid topic if you have a team working hard and smart about strategy. This isn't just about graal its about the individuals that dedicate the time and frustration to building an audience over the years. Thats a full time job.

Also if it only streamed every 3 months or so that hurts viewership.

Should look at it at we would like to stream for fun first and if you manage to get any success out of it then its a plus.

I think its a good idea to improve gst experience but shutting down server parts/outrageous dream numbers are out of the question. Just do it for fun for now and youll find out quick about how hard it really is to build an audience with a $0 budget.

What kind of budgets are you looking at for a semi-successful stream?  

This would be nice if the current server condition were better however staff could either record from the level or summon a designated recorder to the level before the matches. Might be a little complicated sure but at the end someone like James205 or Droid could edit them all into a sweet video with their creative brilliance... and then even stream it live who knows.

I just mean this would look cleaner for viewers...  

Posted by Rufus

What kind of budgets are you looking at for a semi-successful stream?

Equipment dedicated to streaming, for success you'll probably want to invest into good mics if live audio, simple pa to control levels live, really good internet at all times, good pc... mobile devices? For graal would you be streaming from mobile? Another good idea is you can use obs to stream obvious but its a good idea to invest into tv tuners so you can record from virtually any device since obs is for pcs and macs.

Thats for 1 individual.

Lets not forget time... if we are talking semi successful it still takes dedicated time to market and build the audience which is probably the #1 thing that makes people quit when they realize how much work it is. Its pretty easy to lose viewership if you go inactive or just have someone streaming who is boring... not to mention graal isnt the most exciting game.


If not planning for success just for fun then just yolo it which is what i recommend.  

Posted by Aguzo

You never know how something will play out, until it actually happens.

With this way of thinking, if Graal at the very least put a link in the News directing to the streamers channel, then it would be a very good start.

To build an audience we need to try it to actually get the ball rolling!  

@james

Obs is good, but if someone really wants to do their stream professionally xsplit is highly recommended.

You do not have to stream a competition for your game all the time, vainglory does not do this. Plus if graal has it's players having their own personal (maybe daily) streams, then it would keep graal on the list, instead of having no one play "that one game".

Games that I see are almost always(imo) streaming competitions are cs go, and the popular mobas. Vainglory as a successful MOBILE moba, pulls in a lot of viewers. Not 80k, but it's still impressive for a game that started in 2014, started streaming in 2015, and it's a mobile game.

People like to see companies' dedications involving their games. Once a community see how much a company cares about their game, they start to invest more time in it, because they see that "it matters". But, if Eurocenter were to have thought, "eh, idk. We don't really have that many players. Our staff aren't really the best out there. I don't think we will even make 1,000 players. Maybe graal was a bad investment." Do you think they would have been here now?

Maybe I'm just making too much of a motivational speech, but man, you have to be positive when you are running a business. Always thinking of "what-ifs", and never taking action will get you nowhere.

Posted by Rufus

What kind of budgets are you looking at for a semi-successful stream?

Anyways here is a more detailed list of what you could use for a better channel.

http://www.streambig.net/stream-big/streaming-equipment



That being said, there are also ways for other users to be involved in the same stream, making it capable of changing from one arena view to another. Highlighting important parts of the matches (by using slowmo effects), having a camera man with a studio room for the commentators (maybe they can just use skype, but it would be less professional).  

Era staffs live streamed their annual GST. They had about 250 viewers on the Twitch. They posted that video on Youtube and got 10k views.  

Posted by Aguzo

People like to see companies' dedications involving their games. Once a community see how much a company cares about their game, they start to invest more time in it, because they see that "it matters". But, if Eurocenter were to have thought, "eh, idk. We don't really have that many players. Our staff aren't really the best out there. I don't think we will even make 1,000 players. Maybe graal was a bad investment." Do you think they would have been here now?

You have a lot of energy for this which is good. You are ambitious but I'm just going to give some advice is a lot of people love to talk about the big picture of a project prior to actually working on it. Once they get into the project they realize the amount of work it takes and lose focus on it. It takes planning to even reach the numbers you are throwing around, you might hit a peak in terms of viewership and never get that ever again. That isn't success and if you guys do manage to pull off 1k consistent viewers... that isn't Graal that would be the individuals putting in quality work to make it entertaining.

All I would ask is if you did get success... why the hell would you put all that effort in for Graal? If you are able to build an audience successfully then you could easily land a really good job that actually pays.

I've said it's a good idea to stream but a lot of your ideas are unrealistic. You're using 1 example of a game that is by far more modern than Graal and probably has actual competent management behind it. What will dictate your audience is going to be how reliable the stream is and how entertaining it is.

I say yolo it at first and see how it goes before you talk about making it a successful thing.

Posted by meganey98

Era staffs live streamed their annual GST. They had about 250 viewers on the Twitch. They posted that video on Youtube and got 10k views.

That's honestly about the right amount of numbers I was thinking. There would be a lot of energy at first for something like this... but if the stream sucks then people will go do something else.  

Posted by James205

All I would ask is if you did get success... why the hell would you put all that effort in for Graal? If you are able to build an audience successfully then you could easily land a really good job that actually pays.

Because I like this game. It's that one game that you play for a long time, and it's community grows on you. I would like to see it succeed, even if I'm not the one that's gaining anything from it.  

Posted by Aguzo

Because I like this game. It's that one game that you play for a long time, and it's community grows on you. I would like to see it succeed, even if I'm not the one that's gaining anything from it.

What I'm referring to is if you gather that much success/audience then you have the talent to be somewhat successful in the field. Don't restrict it to just Graal, bad idea lol.

I say do the twitch thing, see how it goes. I'll definitely be tuning in.

I also wish I could record all of GST (like in the rooms) so I could make some great quality produced videos (like the TA tournament videos I have done). I'll only do it if an admin would let me into the rooms and just sit in there and record each match.  

Even if you got 4-5k views from this and the server population increased dramatically after
#1. graal tutorial needs worked on a bit, most new players after a day quit usually from not knowing wtf to do.
#2. This is risky and sometimes risk is good sometimes its not you may think one day unix doesn't make enough money for 500 loafs of bread like they do everyday isn't that bad but it is to a business point.
#3. Graal cant hold 5k people without lagging horrifically now how the hell will it be able to get even 1k more especially knowing unix who will wait 5 months after majority of the server is complaining for a server upgrade  

James is right in this situation, unless a miracle happens graal wouldn't even pull 200 viewers let alone 150. What people like droid, jami and jeffy don't apparently see is that "graal tube" is the same as an any amateur video uploader in that they'll never grow when they produce the same content every time something happens. No one is really that interested in sitting down and watching 1 player out of 8000-10000+ talk about a hat.

Yea cool you have maybe 100-500 subs but what you're failing to see is that graal is a game that lacks content, there really isn't anyone knowledgable that uploads content besides droid! Why would I sit there for 8 minutes listening to Jeffy say rebellious or sage is winning this gst when they aren't even participating or clearly don't have a chance.

Unless graal advertise this for weeks it won't work as the playerbase is way to young to understand how to use a streaming website and in its current state iGraal won't pull any viewers, Unixmad defiantly won't allow the server to drop below 2.5k players lol.

What a lot of you fail to see is the amount of money unix would lose and he most certainly won't allow that.

tl;dr No shots fired at droid or any other "graal tuber" but all of your videos are the same concept and streaming a gst won't pull you 4k-5k viewers.  

Posted by James205

What I'm referring to is if you gather that much success/audience then you have the talent to be somewhat successful in the field. Don't restrict it to just Graal, bad idea lol.

I say do the twitch thing, see how it goes. I'll definitely be tuning in.

I also wish I could record all of GST (like in the rooms) so I could make some great quality produced videos (like the TA tournament videos I have done). I'll only do it if an admin would let me into the rooms and just sit in there and record each match.

Oh no, I wasn't planning on doing any of that.

For, I don't think that I am interesting enough to keep a commentary going for a couple of hours. I would recommend jeffy and bancho, since they are more hyped up in their commentaries.