If a hat is uploaded and there are small tweaks that can be added, for example: pull view screws up or a different version of the hat, where does the leader of the guild and the actual maker of the hatstand when requesting this?

I'm in a situation where a version of my work has been uploaded despite not being the final version, can I overrule the leader as its wrongful use of my hat?  

If it was already uploaded and given out, the only kind of edits you can make to it are teeny tiny tweaks like fixing a pixel out of place or adjusting the height or position. Anything else wouldn't be allowed.

There's no way to really prove your stance on this...so unless it's a tiny adjustment like what I stated above, then no you probably can't get it changed. Especially since the hat was made for the guild and not you. If the guild and guild leader is happy with it, then there's nothing you can really do since you already allowed them to have it. I'm pretty sure the guild leader would overrule you in this situation.  

Posted by Coco

If it was already uploaded and given out, the only kind of edits you can make to it are teeny tiny tweaks like fixing a pixel out of place or adjusting the height or position. Anything else wouldn't be allowed.

There's no way to really prove your stance on this...so unless it's a tiny adjustment like what I stated above, then no you probably can't get it changed. Especially since the hat was made for the guild and not you. If the guild and guild leader is happy with it, then there's nothing you can really do since you already allowed them to have it. I'm pretty sure the guild leader would overrule you in this situation.

Yes ok, thanks for your response.  

this new edit rule sounds ridiculous to me.
why did u guys made that rule?  

Posted by Zetectic

this new edit rule sounds ridiculous to me.
why did u guys made that rule?

new? Pretty sure it's been like that since as long as I can remember.  

Posted by Coco

new? Pretty sure it's been like that since as long as I can remember.

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xenthics 1k guild fixed their 1k hat.
half blood wolves re-uploaded their 1k hat. it was super big, then he resized it.
and aren't u the one who re-drew the alumni idev gst hat? @coco's crap v2.0

so why don't you guys allow edits?  

Why did xzenix hat even get uploaded when it's an edit of the spar hat? Or was permission granted?  

Posted by Zetectic

re-drew the alumni idev

I don't even think the iDevice team asked for that, but it's a good thing she did because the original one was pretty bad  

Posted by Zetectic

xenthics 1k guild fixed their 1k hat.

In what way did they edit it and when was this? If it was recent then the rule might not apply anymore since I'm no longer the one in charge of guild hats. If they were changed I don't know why...it's not good to allow guilds to completely revise their hat once it's been submitted and distributed.

Posted by Zetectic

half blood wolves re-uploaded their 1k hat. it was super big, then he resized it.

Resizing is also an acceptable edit as far as I know since it's just a minor adjustment. As long as the hat isn't completely changed to something else then it should be fine. It's when a guild submits and distributes a hat then wants to drastically change it by say...changing the colors or design or making it a completely new hat. If we allowed that to happen for everyone then guild hats would be a bigger pain in the neck than they already are.

Posted by Zetectic

and aren't u the one who re-drew the alumni idev gst hat? @coco's crap v2.0

Are you referring to this hat?


If so, I believe that was a GST hat...which is irrelevant to the guild hat topic. GST hats are made by staff, not players. Even if they were made by players it would still be irrelevant because GST is something that happens 4 times a year, as guild hats can happen multiple times a week. monitoring GST hats is much less of a pain than guild hats, so revising them isn't that big of a deal.

Posted by Zetectic

so why don't you guys allow edits?

If the same rules from when I dealt with guild hats still apply, then it's because allowing everyone to make large edits would create problems and confusion. There's simply too many guilds that reach 1k too often so we need to be strict about this sort of thing. The guild leader needs to make sure everything is in order and ready to go before sending us the hat and telling us they're ready. It's not that hard to do. If a minor error was noticed once the hat was uploaded and distributed, then they are allowed to edit it. Completely making a new hat is unnecessary if they told us what hat they wanted and we already went through the effort of uploading and distributing it.

TL;DR: Small edits are allowed. It's simply easier for both the guild leader, hat maker, and staff if the leader makes sure everything is ready to go and to everyone's liking before having it distributed. Sometimes small errors go unnoticed until they wear it, so fixing them is no problem. But changing their mind on what they want at the last minute makes it harder for everyone.  

Posted by Coco

Even if they were made by players it would still be irrelevant because GST is something that happens 4 times a year, as guild hats can happen multiple times a week.

Are small changes to GST hats still accepted by you, so long as the staff member who made the hat agrees to make the changes?  

Posted by Thallen

Are small changes to GST hats still accepted by you, so long as the staff member who made the hat agrees to make the changes?

Editing GST hats isn't up to me. I only edited that one because I was asked to.  

Posted by Coco

it's not good to allow guilds to completely revise their hat once it's been submitted and distributed.

Resizing is also an acceptable edit as far as I know since it's just a minor adjustment.
changing the colors or design or making it a completely new hat.

it's because allowing everyone to make large edits would create problems and confusion. There's simply too many guilds that reach 1k too often so we need to be strict about this sort of thing.

TL;DR: Small edits are allowed. It's simply easier for both the guild leader, hat maker, and staff if the leader makes sure everything is ready to go and to everyone's liking before having it distributed. Sometimes small errors go unnoticed until they wear it, so fixing them is no problem.

xenthic's guild was xzenix (ty striken), the hat was a white and black recolored version of 6k win golden wing helm.
when their hat was first distributed, the forehead part was invisible. they got that fixed. so it wasn't a complete revision.

although u answered all my questions, i still feel like there's a different reason behind all this.
like 1k guild get passed on to somebody else and they request the hat change. to prevent that kind of thing.

btw i appreciate ur answers, i hope this helped droid as well.  

It's still a bit off when you do the pulling move when pulling a wall in front of you upwards it's like the helmet kinda moves to one side a bit more than the other.  

@Coco @Zetectic
This answers my question indirectly, my situation was that the leader uploaded a version of the hat but the wrong one, therefore could I request a reupload or does the leader get the final say?  

Posted by Zetectic

xenthic's guild was xzenix (ty striken), the hat was a white and black recolored version of 6k win golden wing helm.
when their hat was first distributed, the forehead part was invisible. they got that fixed. so it wasn't a complete revision.

Well that sounds like they fixed a problem with the hat...transparency problems happen and you don't see them until you're actually wearing it, so editing that is fine.

Posted by Zetectic

although u answered all my questions, i still feel like there's a different reason behind all this.
like 1k guild get passed on to somebody else and they request the hat change. to prevent that kind of thing.

btw i appreciate ur answers, i hope this helped droid as well.

If the guild gets passed on then there's no reason for a hat to be changed. It would be ridiculous if that was allowed. Think about it, a guild works hard to reach their 1k goal. They design the hat and have someone make it. The hat maker and guild go back and forth making critiques until it's perfect. They let the staff know it's ready to go (along with maybe 5 other guilds that are ready) and the staff tests it, uploads it, any errors are fixed until the guild is 100% happy with the hat and the staff moves onto the next guild. The hat was made for that guild, those members, for their accomplishments. Why would we let them completely do this all over again just because they got a new leader. That doesn't make sense and is unnecessary.

Not to mention that would be exploited to all hell. It's not fair that someone comes along and takes a guild that already has 1k and gets to make a new hat without even going through the effort of actually reaching 1k themselves.

A lot of people reach 1k rather quickly and staff don't want to have to dawdle around waiting on one guild because they're being complicated by changing their minds and wanting a new hat over and over again. It would be a mess if we allowed guilds to do that. There is literally no other hidden reason behind it. No one wants to have to deal with that just because someone can't make up their mind.

Posted by Droid

@Coco @Zetectic
This answers my question indirectly, my situation was that the leader uploaded a version of the hat but the wrong one, therefore could I request a reupload or does the leader get the final say?

If they liked it then there's nothing that can be done. Yes, the leader would get the final say because like I said, the hat is being made for the guild, not for you.