Hiring Check on Graal

DoubleliftGraal · 10-31-2015

Why on earth does Graal Classic and the rest of servers hire without some real background check? Is there ANY other game that does this or is it just graal? I feel like using these admins don't help at all and there's no exact requirement of maturity or any other factors.

Albie · 10-31-2015

You do have to be mature to be an admin, though apparently you don't have to be older. Most admins are sub 16 years of age
When people say "age doesn't matter for admins" I sigh.

How is an admin supposed to know what's inappropriate when they're 12?
How will they know to deny an inappropriate upload eg a bong when they don't know what it is.

Buffalo · 10-31-2015

Posted by Albie

You do have to be mature to be an admin, though apparently you don't have to be older. Most admins are sub 16 years of age
When people say "age doesn't matter for admins" I sigh.

How is an admin supposed to know what's inappropriate when they're 12?
How will they know to deny an inappropriate upload eg a bong when they don't know what it is.

The old admins were my age. Now they are younger or seem younger through how they act

Albie · 10-31-2015

Posted by Buffalo

The old admins were my age. Now they are younger or seem younger through how they act

Yeah. The old admins seemed to knew what they were doing and didn't overreact, but still had room to have fun and be a little immature.
New ones? Really serious, and don't want to joke around much. They don't understand when you're joking, kind of the reason I think they're younger. Taking their job too seriously makes us suffer, it's so much better to have fun admins.

Thallen · 10-31-2015

I don't care about an age requirement, but I'm sure many people who genuinely want to help the game are being prevented from doing so due to ridiculous circumstances noted in their account.

Every time you get your chat reset, status reset, nickname reset, warped for game disruption, etc. - all of that gets noted in your account, forever. It doesn't matter who did it, why, if it was deserved, etc. If you get banned randomly, send in a support ticket, and you're immediately banned, your account's history will still show that you were banned and unbanned (rather than just removing the incident entirely). All that does is allow build-up of some ridiculously long "history" that makes you look like you've always been punished appropriately.

I have probably 10 "game disruption" infractions against my account all from towering with MDR, when Soren was an admin and was fired for warping players away from towers for no reason at all. None of those will ever be removed, despite him being fired for doing it. It just builds up.

From another thread:

Posted by Thallen

I can recall being banned a single time and then immediately unbanned (because it was completely random). I recently applied for GP and I was told that I can't be hired due to my "massive history." A GP showed me this history (which is probably illegal). It was composed 90% of boost alerts, scam alerts, and game disruptions.

I then came to find that I am triggering "boost alert" when sparring the same player over and over to preserve my streak in the main spar room when everyone runs away... I'm triggering "scam alert" by linking bit.ly URLs in my status and in PMs to people for them to view details of details for my tower hat submissions... and I'm triggering "game disruption" by standing in doorways at towers and being warped away by staff who don't know what they're doing.

So, I'll never be eligible because I'm a good sparrer and I use a URL shortener and Soren was a corrupt douche who would warp people away from his friend's towers. I know that's a really fringe case, but it's still stupid and it feels good to vent about it. XOXO, thanks for listening.

Based on that experience, I'm pretty sure complete randoms who have no actual experience playing the game (thus never get any of these infractions against their account) have a really good chance of getting hired. That's how we end up with people like Soren, Yuri (no offense), Supreme (no offense), etc.

Skyzer · 10-31-2015

iClassic staff, here I come!

Areo · 10-31-2015

I don't really see how many of you have so many experiences with them, they don't seem to call for much attention. If they act immature on their player account, does that matter to their status as an administator? If there a level of maturity required on a player account? Those are questions I would want to know the answers to.

Mizochi · 10-31-2015

Posted by Areo

I don't really see how many of you have so many experiences with them, they don't seem to call for much attention. If they act immature on their player account, does that matter to their status as an administator? If there a level of maturity required on a player account? Those are questions I would want to know the answers to.

Wouldn't that be implied along with becoming a server admin? You used to be able to contact any admin with a serious or important question and get a proper answer that isn't "email toonslab." Most of the newer admins don't have a clue what they are doing. I agree with what thallen said because this has probably stopped a lot of players from becoming admins. Guess I can't become a admin because I have been warped for bs also

Albie · 10-31-2015

I appealed and told them that a huge 7 foot german guy came into my house and forced me to speedhack but apparently my ban isn't going to be overturned. They don't understand what life is like in the real world.

Alexmo · 10-31-2015

Funny thing I lied about my age when joining the forums and when I sent an admin application

Eugeen · 10-31-2015

I was hired to the graphics team in 2014 even though I have been banned like 4 times, jailed 80+ times and been warped like 20 times a week cus of glitching. But I changed and I got a chance either way even though I could have easily abused tools. So I'm not too sure if this stuff about them looking at your history only is true. It might be but idk

Zetectic · 10-31-2015

when i heard people talking about newly hired admins. people said new gps were 12 or 13. i thought it was a joke, until i think i met some of them thru skype while i was in touch with ryan6, brenda. not they only sounded like 13, they were actually 13-15.

they were nice and they weren't trying to be immature. but i still wouldn't give a job to some 13 year old, there are a lot of terms that they weren't familiar with imo. im not trying to be rude, just talk to some 13 year old kids irl or read what you wrote when you were 13.
if you are a normal kid, it is hard to make a fully thoughtful decision regarding some player's issues. even when you are trying to act mature, it just won't work.

this doesn't mean people older than 15+ are mature either.

Bryan* · 10-31-2015

The amount I've applied for GP is the same amount I've been banned

(5). Besides maturity, I really cannot comprehend what qualities or skills these younger players possess that they are accepted over your chances of getting this role.

Clown · 10-31-2015

Posted by iBubble

I was hired to the graphics team in 2014 even though I have been banned like 4 times, jailed 80+ times and been warped like 20 times a week cus of glitching. But I changed and I got a chance either way even though I could have easily abused tools. So I'm not too sure if this stuff about them looking at your history only is true. It might be but idk

West has a management team that understands that a few bans/warnings are not entirely a bad thing - they actually believe in change of heart unlike others

Platinum · 10-31-2015

With the amount of players on iClassic, it's not hard to understand they might be busy with reports and uploads so they'd be unable to reply immediately.
That being said, I once messaged a GP regarding my account and she replied fairly quickly.

Posted by Zetectic

when i heard people talking about newly hired admins. people said new gps were 12 or 13. i thought it was a joke, until i think i met some of them thru skype while i was in touch with ryan6, brenda. not they only sounded like 13, they were actually 13-15.

they were nice and they weren't trying to be immature. but i still wouldn't give a job to some 13 year old, there are a lot of terms that they weren't familiar with imo. im not trying to be rude, just talk to some 13 year old kids irl or read what you wrote when you were 13.
if you are a normal kid, it is hard to make a fully thoughtful decision regarding some player's issues. even when you are trying to act mature, it just won't work.

this doesn't mean people older than 15+ are mature either.

Firstly, Graal isn't Google, so don't expect brilliant customer service. Most of the job I'd imagine is dealing with reports, monitoring uploads, and hosting events in that priority.
Secondly, there are some responsible 12-13 year olds around. Believe it or not, not all of them are irresponsible idiots.
Lastly, they fit the criteria. GPs generally need to be online a lot to do their job. Older teenagers tend to study for exams (like myself

) and so aren't able to be online much.

To everyone: Stop whining about 13 year olds being hired. Some are perfectly capable in what they do and sometimes are the best option to hired.

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DoubleliftGraal Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Nowhere Posts: 658	Hiring Check on Graal Why on earth does Graal Classic and the rest of servers hire without some real background check? Is there ANY other game that does this or is it just graal? I feel like using these admins don't help at all and there's no exact requirement of maturity or any other factors.

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Albie Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Battle Arena Posts: 1,550	You do have to be mature to be an admin, though apparently you don't have to be older. Most admins are sub 16 years of age When people say "age doesn't matter for admins" I sigh. How is an admin supposed to know what's inappropriate when they're 12? How will they know to deny an inappropriate upload eg a bong when they don't know what it is.

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Skyzer Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Hampshire, United States Posts: 3,135	iClassic staff, here I come!

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Areo Dr. Professor Moderator Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: I’m always located somewhere Posts: 1,205	I don't really see how many of you have so many experiences with them, they don't seem to call for much attention. If they act immature on their player account, does that matter to their status as an administator? If there a level of maturity required on a player account? Those are questions I would want to know the answers to.

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Alexmo Banned Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: I live in a place on a place Posts: 1,464	Funny thing I lied about my age when joining the forums and when I sent an admin application

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Eugeen Banned Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 4,173	I was hired to the graphics team in 2014 even though I have been banned like 4 times, jailed 80+ times and been warped like 20 times a week cus of glitching. But I changed and I got a chance either way even though I could have easily abused tools. So I'm not too sure if this stuff about them looking at your history only is true. It might be but idk

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Zetectic Bloodvayne Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 4,087	when i heard people talking about newly hired admins. people said new gps were 12 or 13. i thought it was a joke, until i think i met some of them thru skype while i was in touch with ryan6, brenda. not they only sounded like 13, they were actually 13-15. they were nice and they weren't trying to be immature. but i still wouldn't give a job to some 13 year old, there are a lot of terms that they weren't familiar with imo. im not trying to be rude, just talk to some 13 year old kids irl or read what you wrote when you were 13. if you are a normal kid, it is hard to make a fully thoughtful decision regarding some player's issues. even when you are trying to act mature, it just won't work. this doesn't mean people older than 15+ are mature either.

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Bryan* Verified ✔️ Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: M.I.A Posts: 3,408	The amount I've applied for GP is the same amount I've been banned (5). Besides maturity, I really cannot comprehend what qualities or skills these younger players possess that they are accepted over your chances of getting this role.