Posted by antago

I really don't think you played Graal in '98—or '99 for that matter. But I'll just say that Lycia didn't come 'til the end of '99, and we were good friends; she never played with PACHUKA. I don't recall Lycia in her early days ever being a part of a clan called "TAW"; she was a member of the Baddies, which at the time I was co-managing with Gandarian.

I never claimed to be from the 90's, I started September 2000.  

Posted by Crono

I never claimed to be from the 90's, I started September 2000.

Sorry that was directed at Contego, who also claims to "remember me" because I "had an NPC", despite the fact that I was the GP chief, LAT admin, GFX admin, ran the first playerworld, and among many other iconic roles.  

Posted by antago

Sorry that was directed at Contego, who also claims to "remember me" because I "had an NPC", despite the fact that I was the GP chief, LAT admin, GFX admin, ran the first playerworld, and among many other iconic roles.

Think he went by Xena back then.  

Posted by Crono

Think he went by Xena back then.

So he claims, but I don't really remember a Xena either, and there weren't many players during these times. I don't know everything that went on but I have a memory of the stuff that mattered. Let me go on record and say that I don't even know why I joined the Baddies. For friendship. I was also in Jesus Freaks, which I identified more with. The Baddies had a bad reputation and were there from the beginning. I loved their talent, power, kinship, creativity; please don't associate me with the "bad" of the Baddies. I love all the guilds. I don't remember how long this went on but it was for a while then one day Vangel was like, "YOU'RE IN THE BADDIES?" I was like, "I finally became manager." He was like, "YOU CAN'T BE IN BOTH!" I had a high status in JF. I joined JF first, though, and had a good relationship with them, so technically I guess I was never a baddie … Imagine that, the Baddies—the most notorious Graal guild of all time—ran by a rogue. Both guilds had wonderful people, so it was worth it :-)  

Posted by antago

Sorry that was directed at Contego, who also claims to "remember me" because I "had an NPC", despite the fact that I was the GP chief, LAT admin, GFX admin, ran the first playerworld, and among many other iconic roles.

Yes I started in late '98. I quit sparring by late 2000 and was at my best in late '99.  

Let's all get along lol
good to know about the old graal history, but arguing about something that happened back in when i was just a newborn baby isn't really helping.  

I remember Gandarian being leader of Baddies in 99. (I don't recall Antago having a high rank) I don't think I knew Antago personally, he was a LAT or something who expanded the size of the Graal map by a lot. I don't know which year that was. I know for sure I met Xena/Contego with Killermech in 2000. I didn't know him before that. C Style was the height of Graal sparring in 99, so no one was great yet? Also, I found the peak of Contego's sparring.

http://teral.8m.net/spar_3_2_01.html

Around when this tournament happened.

Pachuka was only in Graal until 99 so there isn't much to say about him. He did tell me he played Graal in when it first went online. I didn't play until August becauase the site wasn't working for me.  

Posted by rickclops

I remember Gandarian being leader of Baddies in 99. (I don't recall Antago having a high rank) I don't think I knew Antago personally, he was a LAT or something who expanded the size of the Graal map by a lot. I don't know which year that was. I know for sure I met Xena/Contego with Killermech in 2000. I didn't know him before that. C Style was the height of Graal sparring in 99, so no one was great yet? Also, I found the peak of Contego's sparring.

http://teral.8m.net/spar_3_2_01.html

Around when this tournament happened.

Pachuka was only in Graal until 99 so there isn't much to say about him. He did tell me he played Graal in when it first went online. I didn't play until August becauase the site wasn't working for me.

Those images and commentary are by James205 and I believe this was in 2000, probably late summer. The term "c style" (not sure who named it) was something I used to tell NoMaD and Golden Slayer when I was training them to spar; "most ppl do that style when sparring".

Also suggested to try going in straight line attacks but pretend they are doing "C" so we called it the "E". Anyway many people were good then and are now just becomes about who is liked, respected, or just the loudest to get any "real" recognition.  

Posted by antago

despite the fact that I was the GP chief, LAT admin, GFX admin, ran the first playerworld, and among many other iconic roles.

Ran the first playerworld? What? Do you mean you were manager of classic at some point?  

can ya'll stop calling me old now that these fkers are here  

lmao imagine being so addicted to grail that ur still tockng about ur exploits in the late 90s  

Posted by Thallen

can ya'll stop calling me old now that these fkers are here

we are like 13 in comparison  

Posted by Crono

we are like 13 in comparison

No, that would make me what? 8?

They are fossils, and you are on the verge of extinction.  

Posted by rickclops

I remember Gandarian being leader of Baddies in 99. (I don't recall Antago having a high rank) I don't think I knew Antago personally, he was a LAT or something who expanded the size of the Graal map by a lot. I don't know which year that was. I know for sure I met Xena/Contego with Killermech in 2000. I didn't know him before that. C Style was the height of Graal sparring in 99, so no one was great yet? Also, I found the peak of Contego's sparring.

My status in the Baddies actually opened up a lot of doors for me (and vice versa, as I had a lot of power and the Baddies had the players). In a sense we used each other.

I pretty much never wore a guild tag for any of the guilds mainly because I saw guilds as an opportunity not as an identity … Including the JF tag, although again there I had a high status and they did a lot of big favors for me. I think at the time I didn't realize how important guilds played a role; Gandarian actually programmed a number of NPCs including the first edition of the trident; Darkman programmed several NPCs including the original bomy-bopot (the animal, not the playable race). A number of features I had been pushing for had the support of the Baddies, as Darkman's coding favors initially allowed me to wave the bomy-bopots around Stefan to create the NPC Server for us.

I don't recall much about King Clops myself, except that at one point I believed you did a cameo on my G-Server for some animated plays. Other than that, you were always very much a background player.

Posted by rickclops

Ran the first playerworld? What? Do you mean you were manager of classic at some point?

The first official Graal supported playerworlds were originally portals you could enter through houses in Onett town; Destiny was originally the first official Graal playerworld experiment where they gave entire control over to a player and you could enter it through my house in Onett town. They were upset because this "experiment" went wrong when, as usual, I pulled some shenanigan like adding the notorious globe NPC that was pretty much PACHUKA & Azrael's floor tile (that followed them around) and black Graal squared because it allowed me to wreak 10 times more chaos due to the coding capabilities at the time. I figured out by carrying NPCs between levels I could do whatever the hell I wanted in Destiny and bring it over into the classic main world. If I recall correctly I lost my playerworld because "this was supposed to be an experiment and I proved players were untrustworthy"; they quickly forgave me and I moved Destiny to the main server with fireworks on July 4th, 2000. We continued working closely together so that 6 months later in 2001 we released Graal2001 where official playerworlds were purchased and listed in the startup menu.  

@antago in 2001 servers were not sold. Stefan allowed people to make servers but wouldn't put it on the start up menu without approval of testers/himself.

I released the server Shaded Legend with Tyriel (he used a different account name before SL was released) on 03/2001 on the start up menu and did not ever have to pay.

Later in June of 2001 I became a "global" but official title was Accounts Administrator and then by late summer of '01 to '03 I was Game Master "with" unixmad but for NA (North America). Which didn't make sense because unixmad basically just spoke to me on ICQ to get updated on what was going on once a month and did not actually do any labor or assist at all. A couple times Stefan, unix, and me had to speak on the phone but at that time it was very expensive so we limited our phone conversations.

The actual time volunteered helping Graal as a brand for 18 hours a day and all pro bono is insane. In 2001 Graal had a spike in the players and I was manually creating accounts via [email protected] and handling any password issues. The website had issues automatically creating accounts so I had to manually create each one. Thousands of e-mails were coming in a day and I replied to each one personally. Also had [email protected] and would have to go around playerworlds dealing with "Owners" who would ban guilds because they could. It was basically a dictatorship and we had no structure.
Eventually I recommended to Stefan that we change "Owner" of playerworlds to "Manager" because people believed they actually owned the server and copy rights. We also created "Playerworld Administration" because I couldn't handle all the work load of approving, uploading and removing servers.