PC sparrers on iphone servers - 2

Imprint · 09-05-2011

Posted by NiTe

just suck it up and deal with it

Tell it like it is.

RyleyGraal · 09-05-2011

personally they dont have any advantages :/ they just have less lag (in most cases). and like rufus said, not every pc sparrer has the same skill level as someone like rashard. i like having pc sparrers on iphone server; it presents a new challenge.

Dusty · 09-05-2011

It's not fair... especially since their reason for not letting Graal PC players(not Facebook) play on iPhone servers were because "it wouldn't be fair to the iPhone players because PC gets a keyboard." Then Facebook Graal comes along and... it's perfectly fine! Yet PC players still can't play on iPhone servers...

Kokkoiix3 · 09-05-2011

Posted by RyleyGraal

what are your thoughts on having PC users sparring against idevice users?
unfair? fair? i wanna know.

Well i dont like having to spar people on pc but my itouch is just so damn laggy i thought this was an alternative to actually buying a new ipod, but i guess pc and devices should have different servers

EP · 09-05-2011

It's perfectly fair I'm still on a 4g iPod. The only thing you can do is practice.deal with it. PCs do seem somewhat faster but speed isn't everything.You think it's unfair then don't spar at all you can always use a PC too.

Winter · 09-05-2011

How can I put this simply...

The addition of FaceBook client logging onto the iPhone server is fair in every way. It was possibly designed to attract people to either pay more gralats for VIP, or to grow from just simply an iPhone/ipod application to a game on one of the world's hottest sites, FaceBook. The migration of players from the original servers of Graal on PC has nothing to do with it.

However, I do see these members from both points of view, since I had the opportunity to meet some of them, and fight others. Let me be clear; PC is not faster. On a keyboard, you can use one finger for every direction key. On an iDevice, you generally use one finger for all directions. It becomes easier to change direction, but is it really all about movement? You can't win a spar by simply moving. Sparring on iPod for two years and PC for two months, I can clearly see different fighting styles in both devices, both with their own advantages and disadvantages. Sparring is all a matter of how well you can read the other persons movement pattern, and how you plan to react to it.

Once this is said, it is clear that sparrers who have been playing graal for so long on the original PC servers may have an advantage at using their fighting style they've perfected for years. Yes, it becomes harder for people who haven't played the game as long. In all honesty, do you really think the devices play a larger role in this than a huge difference in experience? The device is your personal opinion and/or preference. Spar style can go a long way, either client you happen to spar on.

Jagger · 09-05-2011

i'm just going to say it's unfair due to experience.. There isn't really a disadvantage in controls.. but many people have been playing graal for 5-10-15 years. its just different skill. i mean i know what u mean.. pc does seem faster. for me they seem like they hit constant combos and are constantly going through my sword and stuff but idk its not unfair when it comes to speed

Winter · 09-05-2011

Posted by Jagger

i'm just going to say it's unfair due to experience.. There isn't really a disadvantage in controls.. but many people have been playing graal for 5-10-15 years. its just different skill. i mean i know what u mean.. pc does seem faster. for me they seem like they hit constant combos and are constantly going through my sword and stuff but idk its not unfair when it comes to speed

From sparring the two different clients, I realized a single main difference in technique. iPhone sparrers seem to use some type of hit-and-run technique, and attack in a single rhythm. PC sparrers are more used to either being rushed, or rushing in confidently towards the opponent. After one attack, one sets him/herself up for another. The majority of iPhone sparrers let in a breather. Both techniques can be effective, depending on which one you prefer, which one you practice, and how confidently you can execute the technique. Experiment!

Shi · 09-05-2011

Posted by NiTe

just suck it up and deal with it

Where is the like button???

Jagger · 09-05-2011

Posted by Shannon

From sparring the two different clients, I realized a single main difference in technique. iPhone sparrers seem to use some type of hit-and-run technique, and attack in a single rhythm. PC sparrers are more used to either being rushed, or rushing in confidently towards the opponent. After one attack, one sets him/herself up for another. The majority of iPhone sparrers let in a breather. Both techniques can be effective, depending on which one you prefer, which one you practice, and how confidently you can execute the technique. Experiment!

Graal is no skill, no thinking, just doing. People don't plan their moves, they just do them. They run away then hit, that isn't much skill. I have no skill. Rashard has no skill. Kevin91 has no skill. Graal is all just countering and figuring out how to not get hit by running away, it's all a natural movement of your fingers, it gets to a point where you notice how you dont even think about how you move your fingers. One day I looked at my fingers as I was sparring and noticed how my fingers and my brain just move by themselves, almost like they were one. You move where you want without even thinking in less than a fraction of a second. I just don't think this game takes skill; just experience.

Swift · 09-05-2011

Posted by Jagger

Graal is no skill, no thinking, just doing. People don't plan their moves, they just do them. They run away then hit, that isn't much skill. I have no skill. Rashard has no skill. Kevin91 has no skill. Graal is all just countering and figuring out how to not get hit by running away, it's all a natural movement of your fingers, it gets to a point where you notice how you dont even think about how you move your fingers. One day I looked at my fingers as I was sparring and noticed how my fingers and my brain just move by themselves, almost like they were one. You move where you want without even thinking in less than a fraction of a second. I just don't think this game takes skill; just experience.

Does that mean boxers have no skill, for just running in and hitting the guy?

Jagger · 09-06-2011

Posted by Swift

Does that mean boxers have no skill, for just running in and hitting the guy?

Boxing is completely nothing like sparring xD sparring is a video game, nothing really big to risk, people don't play so defencive like boxers do. boxers is physical skill as well as tactics. Graal is limited in it's tactics. I'm not sure if you know this but real life physical movement isn't as restricted as a 2d video game

Swift · 09-06-2011

Your logic was, 'running in and hitting people doesn't take skill'. And to the no defense thing, that isn't true. If there were no defensive maneuvers, everyone would get hit each time they sparred at the same time. There has to be skill, because if there wasn't, we wouldn't see people with 2k-100 ratios and 40k-5k ratios.

Winter · 09-06-2011

Posted by Jagger

Boxing is completely nothing like sparring xD

A boxing match is called a spar.

Kokkoiix3 · 09-06-2011

Everyone has good points but people will always have their opinions, somethings will never change, just like how people will complain about how pc cheats or its unfair.

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RyleyGraal Just_Me Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 9	personally they dont have any advantages :/ they just have less lag (in most cases). and like rufus said, not every pc sparrer has the same skill level as someone like rashard. i like having pc sparrers on iphone server; it presents a new challenge.

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Dusty Should be fixed. Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 6,359	It's not fair... especially since their reason for not letting Graal PC players(not Facebook) play on iPhone servers were because "it wouldn't be fair to the iPhone players because PC gets a keyboard." Then Facebook Graal comes along and... it's perfectly fine! Yet PC players still can't play on iPhone servers...

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EP Kush420SwagYOLO Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 261	It's perfectly fair I'm still on a 4g iPod. The only thing you can do is practice.deal with it. PCs do seem somewhat faster but speed isn't everything.You think it's unfair then don't spar at all you can always use a PC too.

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Winter & Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: napping Posts: 1,381	How can I put this simply... The addition of FaceBook client logging onto the iPhone server is fair in every way. It was possibly designed to attract people to either pay more gralats for VIP, or to grow from just simply an iPhone/ipod application to a game on one of the world's hottest sites, FaceBook. The migration of players from the original servers of Graal on PC has nothing to do with it. However, I do see these members from both points of view, since I had the opportunity to meet some of them, and fight others. Let me be clear; PC is not faster. On a keyboard, you can use one finger for every direction key. On an iDevice, you generally use one finger for all directions. It becomes easier to change direction, but is it really all about movement? You can't win a spar by simply moving. Sparring on iPod for two years and PC for two months, I can clearly see different fighting styles in both devices, both with their own advantages and disadvantages. Sparring is all a matter of how well you can read the other persons movement pattern, and how you plan to react to it. Once this is said, it is clear that sparrers who have been playing graal for so long on the original PC servers may have an advantage at using their fighting style they've perfected for years. Yes, it becomes harder for people who haven't played the game as long. In all honesty, do you really think the devices play a larger role in this than a huge difference in experience? The device is your personal opinion and/or preference. Spar style can go a long way, either client you happen to spar on.

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Jagger NewZland Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Arizona Posts: 222	i'm just going to say it's unfair due to experience.. There isn't really a disadvantage in controls.. but many people have been playing graal for 5-10-15 years. its just different skill. i mean i know what u mean.. pc does seem faster. for me they seem like they hit constant combos and are constantly going through my sword and stuff but idk its not unfair when it comes to speed

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Swift Drakul Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 243	Your logic was, 'running in and hitting people doesn't take skill'. And to the no defense thing, that isn't true. If there were no defensive maneuvers, everyone would get hit each time they sparred at the same time. There has to be skill, because if there wasn't, we wouldn't see people with 2k-100 ratios and 40k-5k ratios.

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Kokkoiix3 [Class K] User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Milpitas, CA Posts: 193	Everyone has good points but people will always have their opinions, somethings will never change, just like how people will complain about how pc cheats or its unfair.