Posted by kenovo

lol you honestly think such little things like that determines whether your gay or not?

i agree. No media could change my mind on that lol  

"Mommy, I want to be just like that prince when I grow up"  

Didn't one of the Disney channel shows have a same sex couple in an episode? I saw it on some magazine, but I didn't read into it much.  

Posted by Fysez

It's not genetically inscripted in your DNA to be attracted to the same sex. Just like it's not genetically inscripted in my DNA that I prefer Sony over Microsoft.

It's not legitimately proven that liking the same gender is in our born blood or not. As far as we, the human race, know: it is based on our surroundings.

Unlike Sony and Microsoft though, males and females don't come with business models, updates, or new editions. Homosexuality has been a part of nature since the start, all over the world. It's not practical for animals, since they can't reproduce-- but they do it anyway. It doesn't seem like an adaption choice. And although there is no direct scientific proof that it is the same for humans, there is scientific proof that it is normal in living things, despite what enviornment they live in.

As for the movie:

Posted by Skill

Also, I'm sure that if it was real, it would be a poor movie. I don't have anything against same-sex marriage, but I feel like if a movie was created for the purpose of having same sex couples, it would be rather lacking in story. IMO it would need a main story to it(adventure and whatnot), and the whole romance thing would need to be a side
element. Creating it as the sole purpose of the plot would make it feel quite generic, lacking, and overall boring.

I actually quite agree with this. I support homosexuality, but any plot needs to be driven by more than just one factor. It would be a shame if the first gay big picture animation film turned out to be flat and boring. Hopefully, when society comes to a point where homosexuality is less controversial, a film like this can be developed with more than just "we r gay, we r so cute"  

Fyzes isn't being a bigot. He's absolutely right. If you are raised being told being gay is the norm, you probably are going to end up being gay. Sure you may be "genetically attracted to guys". But that isn't the only factor that determines whether you are straight or gay. There are TONS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE GAY BECAUSE THEY THINK IT IS COOL OR DIFFERENT. Just because someone was not born gay does not make them straight or unable of being gay, and if you don't believe that you are probably much more bigoted than anyone who thinks that people aren't born gay at all.

You're also underestimating how impressionable children are. They will believe and follow anything adults or media tells them. Have you never noticed how many Disney character costumes there are out there? That's because children love Disney and want to be just like their characters, liking the same sex is not an exception to this.

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Note that I didn't read his post that there is no evidence that people can actually be genetically gay, I am not arguing that what he said there was true

 

Posted by MrSimons

Fyzes isn't being a bigot. He's absolutely right. If you are raised being told being gay is the norm, you probably are going to end up being gay. Sure you may be "genetically attracted to guys". But that isn't the only factor that determines whether you are straight or gay. There are TONS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE GAY BECAUSE THEY THINK IT IS COOL OR DIFFERENT. Just because someone was not born gay does not make them straight or unable of being gay, and if you don't believe that you are probably much more bigoted than anyone who thinks that people aren't born gay at all.

You're also underestimating how impressionable children are. They will believe and follow anything adults or media tells them. Have you never noticed how many Disney character costumes there are out there? That's because children love Disney and want to be just like their characters, liking the same sex is not an exception to this.

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Note that I didn't read his post that there is no evidence that people can actually be genetically gay, I am not arguing that what he said there was true

Of course there's going to be people that want to be part of the "oppressed, cool, new" minority, similarly to how people self-diagnose themselves as OCD or depressed. But that doesn't do justice to homosexuality as a whole. It leads to misconceptions, and assumptions. I am aware that try-hard gays exist; but that doesn't stop me from believing that they should be accepted like everyone else. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue.

Also, children are impressionable. But this isn't long lasting. Gays are often impressioned themselves to believe they are straight-- sometimes, for most of their lives! Until they realize why it never felt right to them. Edit: my point with this is that it's short term. Enviornment doesn't decide your sexuality in the long run.

I'm arguing homosexuality is normal, and they should be fairly represented in media. But as for a Disney movie, audiences today aren't ready for that-- plus, you only get one chance to make a first impression for this kind of movie. And it would have to have a developed plot that extends beyond its romantic theme.  

Posted by Latte

Of course there's going to be people that want to be part of the "oppressed, cool, new" minority, similarly to how people self-diagnose themselves as OCD or depressed. But that doesn't do justice to homosexuality as a whole. It leads to misconceptions, and assumptions. I am aware that try-hard gays exist; but that doesn't stop me from believing that they should be accepted like everyone else. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue.

Also, children are impressionable. But this isn't long lasting. Gays are often impressioned themselves to believe they are straight-- sometimes, for most of their lives! Until they realize why it never felt right to them.

I'm arguing homosexuality is normal, and they should be fairly represented in media. But as for a Disney movie, audiences today aren't ready for that-- plus, you only get one chance to make a first impression for this kind of movie. And it would have to have a developed plot that extends beyond its romantic theme.

There's a big difference between pretending to like something and pretending to see stuff a different way. Self Diagnosed OCD is a really poor comparison, being gay simply means that you are attracted to the same sex. Whereas OCD is a disorder that causes your brain to interpret things differently. People will genuinely convince themselves that they are attracted to other men/women, them being convinced that they do is all that matters.

Being OCD on the other hand is much different, most people who self diagnose themselves don't actually know the extent that it goes-- or in some case even understand that OCD is an actual medical diagnoses, and not just a word used to describe wanting little details to be right.  

Posted by MrSimons

There's a big difference between pretending to like something and pretending to see stuff a different way. Self Diagnosed OCD is a really poor comparison, being gay simply means that you are attracted to the same sex. Whereas OCD is a disorder that causes your brain to interpret things differently. People will genuinely convince themselves that they are attracted to other men/women, them being convinced that they do is all that matters.

Being OCD on the other hand is much different, most people who self diagnose themselves don't actually know the extent that it goes-- or in some case even understand that OCD is an actual medical diagnoses, and not just a word used to describe wanting little details to be right.

Now you're changing the topic completely. Accepting that you're straight while you're actually gay doesn't always have the "happy ending" that you're describing. Has it happened to prevent families from splitting? Yes. Does it actually fulfill that person's needs? Not entirely.

If you don't believe me, look at stories about gay men and women who've established entire families and lives, and then realizing they were gay. They genuinely thought they were straight. Even Ellen Degeneres once wanted to marry a man. But when a person isn't fully satisfied, a gap grows in their happiness, and it goes downhill.

If being homosexual were more widely accepted and known, people wouldn't have to believe they were something they're not. Whether you're gay, bi, straight, or whatever, it'd be easier to clarify from a younger age, if all sexualiaties were equally accepted.  

Posted by Latte

Now you're changing the topic completely. Accepting that you're straight while you're actually gay doesn't always have the "happy ending" that you're describing. Has it happened to prevent families from splitting? Yes. Does it actually fulfill that person's needs? Not entirely.

If you don't believe me, look at stories about gay men and women who've established entire families and lives, and then realizing they were gay. They genuinely thought they were straight. Even Ellen Degeneres once wanted to marry a man. But when a person isn't fully satisfied, a gap grows in their happiness, and it goes downhill.

If being homosexual were more widely accepted and known, people wouldn't have to believe they were something they're not. Whether your gay, bi, straight, or whatever, it'd be easier to clarify from a younger age, if all sexualiaties were equally accepted.

I haven't described any "happy endings". In fact I haven't even said anything about being straight in any of my posts, you're the only one who has brought that up, especially the specific scenarios that you are describing. You are the one changing the topic from whether or not it is possible to change your sexual interests.

"If being homosexual were more widely accepted and known, people wouldn't have to believe they were something they're not."

Regardless, no one is being forced to believe that they are gay or not. Its people taking an interest in a sexuality that they were not raised around. There shouldn't be such thing as "not actually being gay" when it comes to this, its just someone's interests changing.  

Posted by MrSimons

I haven't described any "happy endings".

Posted by MrSimons

There's a big difference between pretending to like something and pretending to see stuff a different way... People will genuinely convince themselves that they are attracted to other men/women, them being convinced that they do is all that matters.

If it's "all that matters", then I assume there isn't a negative ending for "genuinely convincing themselves" that they're a different orientation?

Posted by MrSimons

You are the one changing the topic from whether or not it is possible to change your sexual interests.

My entire response was about people being unable to change their sexual interests; my examples were related instances of that.

Posted by MrSimons

Regardless, no one is being forced to believe that they are gay or not. Its people taking an interest in a sexuality that they were not raised around. There shouldn't be such thing as "not actually being gay" when it comes to this, its just someone's interests changing.

Your point was that people act gay or straight if they were raised to believe that was the norm. But people don't just changed an entire lifestyle because "that's not what they were raised around". Usually, people stick with the values of how they were raised. But sexuality is a different kind of preference.

This doesn't mean that there's "gay" and "not gay". It's not black and white; people often experiment with both genders to explore their sexuality. So, sexuality can sometimes be seen as a sliding scale. And experimentation is fun and exciting; but as for long term satisfaction, it's not a preference that can be easily changed or decided, no matter how you were raised or what era you live in.  

 

mr simon and latte, stahp arguing pls what will your kids think  

Let's do a test. What shape do you like better?

http://www.clker.com/cliparts/d/e/d/2/13140637481464283876orange%20triangle-th.png (Unsupported image host) or http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21qlJTH0%2B0L._SL500_SR100,100_.jpg (Unsupported image host)  

Never seen such an argument between them in.. ever.  

yall shouldnt be arguing about a movie that aint comin out