Posted by Hikaru

Idk about all of you, but I have been wanting to spar her. I was beating her in facebook arena last time. I wonder how difficult she is now if she wasn't using this "double device" method. I really want to see for myself how tough she is I love sparring tough people. Especially the cheaters.

if she isn't using vpn, 80% sure she can't beat me.  

Another technique for delay is connecting to a wifi connection with Netflix running on your pc, youtube streaming on your siblings phone and any other device you can get to run on the connection and use the same strategy this "Jigsaw" does. I didn't know this until recently (6-7 months ago). I connected to Graal using data service and as I was in one of the corner of my bedroom which gets nearly any service, I would delay really bad. My step brother happened to be playing on the wifi connection right next by me. As I observe his screen, my movement was delayed up to 2-3 seconds, sometimes more. I got to admit I did once used this method to win a couple of spar. But as it goes, it just gets really boring and pointless.  

pretty sure she's banned because she made an alternate Kik account to send Sarah a paragraph of rage
good work to Zetectic for posting initial proof, other credits to Sarah

admins are usually pretty good at handling this stuff if you just write out a detailed ticket with some screenshots or other material as proof  

This doesnt influence the mechanics of the game like everything you mentioned, so how is this cheating? If you "time her hits" or "adapt to her movement" like some of you have claimed, what she does on her side shouldnt matter.
^-- this what I call a shutdown statement. Why you ask? Because there's nothing you can honestly say that suggests otherwise(besides personal opinion for the sake of winning the argument).

Posted by Fulgore

I'm pretty sure it's clear that if this can be done without consequence there are fundamental issues in Graal. The difference between this and doing something like VPN is the fact that VPN makes oneself lag, which is stupid and pointless, while using this coupled with it breaks the game. Any argument against that is just for the sake of arguing or attempting to troll me, because a 5 year old can see clearly that it 100% breaks the game.

So messing with your connection to the server is not cheating, but using another device to just view yourself sparring is cheating?


Let me explain why and how delay is used. I'm a give you the truth unlike your leader that tries to make it sound that his delayers are at a disadvantage. What do all known delayers have in common in regards to sparring strategy? "Defensive" sparring. Why does that matter? When you run backwards you're leaving your "delayed" hits behind for people to run into. That's why when you get hit by a delayer he's usually nowhere near you.

If you're a delayer and you go offense then I do agree you're at a disadvantage. You have to understand things in order to argue about them. BTW when was the last time you saw an offensive minded delayer? <--only troll so far.

Take Sarah for example, she's at such a disadvantage because she delays do to her location in the world that she chooses to spar on her 3G/4g network just to disadvantage herself even more.

Posted by Hikaru

Idk about all of you, but I have been wanting to spar her. I was beating her in facebook arena last time. I wonder how difficult she is now if she wasn't using this "double device" method. I really want to see for myself how tough she is I love sparring tough people. Especially the cheaters.

If you "timed her hits" why would the "double device" method change anything? Even if she was using 2 devices, her strategy/delay wouldn't change. Still can't figure out how VPN is not cheating, but using the "double device" method is.


Btw I want to point out that the general reaction by the sparers to everything delayer related was: haters, cry babies, bad sparers, learn to beat them, and adapt to their delay. Funny because as soon as someone took their advice and figured out how to destroy their top delayer they all went in a frenzy. It got to the point that the old man had to cry to toonslab about jigsaw "cheating". Pretty hypocritical from a guy with a long history of cheating.(sorry if I used hypocritical in the wrong way. Just saw that cb from the Seahawks use it when he was trolling the nfl and the commissioner)



Note: I'm not condoning "VPN" usage just pointing out the hypocrisy regarding this situation. Stop crying, one girl got your guild looking like some busters.


Hi Sarah sorry if you get cought in the line of fire, but trolling alumni STUDS is LOL



Happy Rufus? No f words yay me  

Sparrer shuts down "think he is good" sparrer. Reports on forum to ban. This topic is hilarious.  

Posted by Zazzi*

Sparrer shuts down "think he is good" sparrer. Reports on forum to ban. This topic is hilarious.

"think he is good" <this part did u just made it up?
It is more like a court case where I have judge and public express their opinion.
This topic is serious, it's a whole thread of showing how 'one' is cheating and the other is not.
Double device sparring is a new term, where using a vpn device to spar and have another screen that's not laggy and know what she/he is doing.
Think before you speak, try before you write about it. If you were about to face Jigsaw, easy to say she can crush u to ground 3-0 in one minute. even if u do run, you still lose. Not even a close call.

Sad to SEE U running ur mouth like this is easy ***.
when u can't even beat me in the arena and leave after one loss.  

Posted by Zetectic

It is more like a court case where I have judge and public express their opinion.
This topic is serious, it's a whole thread of showing how 'one' is cheating and the other is not.
Double device sparring is a new term, where using a vpn device to spar and have another screen that's not laggy and know what she/he is doing.

I'm jigsaw's defense attorney and I proved that it's not cheating(using the 2nd device that is). I made a shutdown post that was followed with 15 deletions because that's how some posters ignore the hard questions(they change the subject to pointless bickering).


Jigsaw, babe, if you were really banned I would like to see the reason for the ban.  

Stay banned on both devices Jigsaw. Let's not play a game.  

Well, people always used to rage about me laggin and/or delaying; however I saw everything on my screen smoothly. Sometimes I even froze for other people whereas I could see everything and get even new guildmessages, however my hits didn't register at all.

I don't know why most of you guys are crying, not like facing laggers would be something new.  

Posted by Sig.

Sometimes I even froze for other people whereas I could see everything and get even new guildmessages, however my hits didn't register at all.

Your device is outdated for ios 8 Graal. I saw this happening to my friend while skyping him. He said everything was fine and was able to see what I say or do, but he was the only one froze on the screen.
It has to do with your ****ty uploading speed(internet speed) and device. rofl  

If i want i can lag like c***, but if i go into the options and turn the effects and chat things off, I'm fine... some admin should just send this to her and if she doesn't change her options for less lag, give her a ban or something.... or threaten to reset her stats if she doesn't.  

and story is sort of different now. When I made this thread, everyone start quitting cause of school and playercount was dropped to 2200 in day time. I was sparring some what active, it was easier to tell this girl wasn't like any other sparrers. I faced a lot of sparrers from South America, they always have that little natural lag.
Now server is laggy. I see people revive back up after the death in spar.

Posted by Nep

If i want i can lag like c***, but if i go into the options and turn the effects and chat things off, I'm fine... some admin should just send this to her and if she doesn't change her options for less lag, give her a ban or something.... or threaten to reset her stats if she doesn't.

that's interesting  

Posted by Nep

If i want i can lag like c***, but if i go into the options and turn the effects and chat things off, I'm fine... some admin should just send this to her and if she doesn't change her options for less lag, give her a ban or something.... or threaten to reset her stats if she doesn't.

That doesn't fix upload lag to the server/ping most likely. Should only fix framerate for the individual player. Correct me if I'm wrong anyone out there (who knows what they're talking about).  

Posted by Fulgore

That doesn't fix upload lag to the server/ping most likely. Should only fix framerate for the individual player. Correct me if I'm wrong anyone out there (who knows what they're talking about).

Exactly.that should only effect the FPS not the whole uploading packet speed.  

The server isn't lagging. You're only lagging because your crappy cheap internets can't handle the downloads of players customs on an area