Posted by MementoJoker

LET'S JUST GET THIS STRAIGHT:
If Hamas stops firing rockets all of this will end.

Nah all the damage has been delt.  

Posted by noroup

Yeah they shouldn't take 3 murders of Israel children out on thousands of people. Especially those who can't even defend themselves.

I agree that it's a genocide

Yeah. It's collective punishment which is illegal under international law.  

Posted by noroup

Yeah they shouldn't take 3 murders of Israel children out on thousands of people. Especially those who can't even defend themselves.

I agree that it's a genocide

I think you need to realise one thing. Wars break out for smallest of reasons. Second thing is clearly they can defend themselves if they are firing rockets and carrying out terrorism.  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

I think you need to realise one thing. Wars break out for smallest of reasons. Second thing is clearly they can defend themselves if they are firing rockets and carrying out terrorism.

No not every god damn citizen is carrying out terrorism, statements like that make me so god damn angry.

This whole war is stupid and innocent lives are being taken, nothing you can do but sit tight and hope one of the sides gets some common sense.  

^ So true.

Pointing fingers and stating the obvious isn't going to help.  

Posted by 5hift

^ So true.

Pointing fingers and stating the obvious isn't going to help.

Neither is anything anyone will ever say in this thread but that's not stopping you (plural). It's actually worth discussing why there's a conflict in that area, it's more useful than ignoring it.  

Posted by iHot

Hamas shooting rockets in my opinion is somewhat justified. I don't want to see any Israeli civilian killed (even though they cheer when Innocent Palestinians are killed). I do however believe that the humanitarian situation in Gaza is appalling and Israel's right wing government is doing nothing to alleviate the pain of the Gazan people. I'm also particularly saddened with the Egyptian government's stance on the whole ordeal. El-Sisi gave the blessing for Israel to invade Gaza. Israel's invasion has only strengthened support for the Qassam brigades who have thus far killed 50-something Israeli soldiers.

One thing I think of when I think of Israel is something from the Bible. Revelation 2:9.

"I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."

We know who the Synagogue of Satan is. I don't need to say it.

I don't really think Egypt has reacted negatively, why should it support Hamas (a terrorist organization) which hates the regime, is affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood and commits terrorism across Sinai due to the mistake of opening borders with Gaza during Morsy's rule.

Actually Israel are the ones being cooperative and not Hamas.
Now let us examine the facts.

Israel:
-A democratic country
-Haven't started the current war, it's a response to rockets fired on Israel
-Give warnings to citizens to evacuate before bombing, giving them 15 minutes to leave the building they are going to bomb.
In addition they fire a warning shot to make sure there aren't any civilians too close to the building.
-Canceled various air strikes where civilians were spotted too close to the buildings
-Agreed to 5 different humanitarian cease fires to allow people of Gaza to take injured people to hospitals (Hamas broke most of these cease fires)
-The IDF opened a medical area to treat wounded Palestinian citizens
-Still give food and medicine to Gaza on a daily basis
Hamas:
-A terrorist organization
-Fire rockets on Israeli citizens, with intent of murder.
-They would murder any Jew in Israel if they could
-Use their own citizens as human shields as human shields by placing rocket launchers in highly populated areas, making it impossible to fight them without civilian casualties. Causing Israel political damage.
-Most leaders hide innocent families with them to make sure the Israeli forces won't attack them
-The UN found Hamas rockets/weaponry in UNRWA schools
-Their leaders won't stop attacking Israel even if Palestine becomes a country
-Use the money and resources donated to help the citizens to get weapons and use it for their own agendas (getting rich).
The leader of Hamas has between 2-3 billion dollars (money that should be given to citizens of Gaza)  

Yet the death toll on Palestinian's is over 1,000, not doing a good job with those warning shots, there was a news reporter who was filming live who had an Israel missile explode near her.

Also, it is a bit biased on how you only listed positive things on one side and negatives for the other when both of them have done things under both categories.  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

Thats actually all going to change with the 28th ammendment that states companies and industrys will not be recongized as people.

[Citation needed]  

Proposed 28th Amendment;

"Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States."

Not sure what Ghetto was talking about.  

Posted by Colin

Yet the death toll on Palestinian's is over 1,000, not doing a good job with those warning shots, there was a news reporter who was filming live who had an Israel missile explode near her.

Also, it is a bit biased on how you only listed positive things on one side and negatives for the other when both of them have done things under both categories.

Can you give me positive things Hamas has done?
If their leader supported his Palestinian state dream so much he would have used his money for good and not by buying weapons and using it on himself.
Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of the Israeli state, look it up.
They don't care about human rights, if they get a state it will only be like ISIS.
It's not a surprise that the West Bank is not under bombing and isn't full of terrorist activities because it is controlled by Fatah and not Hamas.  

Posted by MementoJoker

I don't really think Egypt has reacted negatively, why should it support Hamas (a terrorist organization) which hates the regime, is affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood and commits terrorism across Sinai due to the mistake of opening borders with Gaza during Morsy's rule.

Actually Israel are the ones being cooperative and not Hamas.
Now let us examine the facts.

Israel:
-A democratic country-Ok fine

-Haven't started the current war, it's a response to rockets fired on Israel-Maybe Israel's occupation started it? Maybe they used the murder of the three boys to attack Hamas.

-Give warnings to citizens to evacuate before bombing, giving them 15 minutes to leave the building they are going to bomb.
Yes because everyone should favorably react to a message saying "We are going to bomb your home." 44% of Gaza has been declared a no-go Zone now. Bodies are everywhere and these people have nowhere to go. But I guess it's better than no warning.

-In addition they fire a warning shot to make sure there aren't any civilians too close to the building. Ok.

-Canceled various air strikes where civilians were spotted too close to the buildings
That hasn't made too much a difference now, has it?

-Agreed to 5 different humanitarian cease fires to allow people of Gaza to take injured people to hospitals (Hamas broke most of these cease fires)
Those ceasefires are just a way for Israel to look good. They don't mention that the ceasefires allowed them to continue military operations and with 44% of Gaza declared a no-go zone people can't really look for their relatives.

-The IDF opened a medical area to treat wounded Palestinian citizens
Then they bomb all of Gaza's hospitals! What nice people!

-Still give food and medicine to Gaza on a daily basis
They also bomb their hospitals and destroy the only power plant. The IDF is doing more harm than good for the people of Gaza.

Hamas:
-A terrorist organization
Terrorists or the only people the people of Gaza can look to? Freedom fighters maybe?

-Fire rockets on Israeli citizens, with intent of murder.
I am 100% against these rocket attacks. They're useless and do nothing but put people at risk.

-They would murder any Jew in Israel if they could
Who knows? They claim not to but I don't really believe they wouldn't.


-Use their own citizens as human shields as human shields by placing rocket launchers in highly populated areas, making it impossible to fight them without civilian casualties. Causing Israel political damage.
There is no evidence to back this claim. It's propaganda.

-Most leaders hide innocent families with them to make sure the Israeli forces won't attack them
wtf where did you even hear this??

-The UN found Hamas rockets/weaponry in UNRWA schools
Empty ones. They haven't found any rockets in civilian populated areas besides three empty schools.

-Their leaders won't stop attacking Israel even if Palestine becomes a country
I don't think thats the case man..

-Use the money and resources donated to help the citizens to get weapons and use it for their own agendas (getting rich).
Like every government official T_T

The leader of Hamas has between 2-3 billion dollars (money that should be given to citizens of Gaza)

My answers are in bold. Look how the "Victims" spent their ceasefire.

Posted by Colin

Yet the death toll on Palestinian's is over 1,000, not doing a good job with those warning shots, there was a news reporter who was filming live who had an Israel missile explode near her.

Also, it is a bit biased on how you only listed positive things on one side and negatives for the other when both of them have done things under both categories.

It's because Egypt has turned their back on the Palestinians and that includes the media in Egypt now being Pro-Israel.  

Like every government official isn't really an answer, if he's taking donation money to buy weapons and fuel this war I don't think he's like any government official.
Yasser Arafat would have never done anything like that and if you have 2-3 billion dollars in Palestine I doubt he earned 1 single dollar and I don't know any government official who isn't corrupt as hell to have this much money.
If Palestinians want a state (that's what people believe Hamas are fighting for) it will be controlled by Hamas (who a large percentage Palestinians vote for) who are an Islamist militant group that despise Israel.
I don't think this would work out pretty well.
'UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon "expresses his outrage and regret at the placing of weapons in a UN-administered school," a United Nations statement said last week. "By doing so, those responsible are turning schools into potential military targets, and endangering the lives of innocent children, UN employees working in such facilities and anyone using the UN schools as shelter," the statement added.'
Proof that Hamas terrorists are using schools with children to launch their attacks.
I didn't know Gaza is so small the only place they could think of using are hospitals and schools.
The people Gaza can look to is Fatah, but Hamas hate their own Palestinian brothers.
Actually Israel conducts the operations in response to the rockets being fired.

"Palestinian armed groups have stored munitions in and fired indiscriminate rockets from residential areas in the Gaza Strip," an Amnesty report noted recently. The groups have also "reportedly urged residents in some areas of the Gaza Strip not to leave their homes" after Israel had warned it would attack the area, all of which have the effect of putting Palestinians at risk in the fighting.''-Amnesty International
Also I have never said that Israeli civilians who don't live next to the borders are victims as most of the rockets are intercepted.
Israel is a first world country, I'm sure most of them carry on with their lives normally.
It is Hamas fault that they deploy their rockets from civilian areas and thus bring danger to the civilians.
Also Gaza officials found shelter in Gaza City's Shifa Hospital, I don't think they chose a hospital because of lack of options.
Another important question: Why are Fatah activists under house arrest?

Hamas does not want peace with Israel and will eventually attack Fatah.
They use schools and hospitals as shelter.
They attack innocent Egyptian soldiers and civilians.
Their leader is a warlord.
They use human shields.  

The irrefutable truth is that the innocent people have literally no where to go and instead of attacking the actual threats, IDF attack the innocent citizens who haven't taken part in the war.

I think it's a seriously ugly thing that Israel is bombing schools. I saw videos of parents in agony because their children died from the bombing. Israel bombing the schools is pretty ****ed up.

Israel should stop fighting they obviously have the advantage. Maybe make a deal for Hamas to stop firing rockets in order for IDF troops to retreat and a permanent rocket cease fire  

Posted by noroup

The irrefutable truth is that the innocent people have literally no where to go and instead of attacking the actual threats, IDF attack the innocent citizens who haven't taken part in the war.

I think it's a seriously ugly thing that Israel is bombing schools. I saw videos of parents in agony because their children died from the bombing. Israel bombing the schools is pretty ****ed up.

Israel should stop fighting they obviously have the advantage. Maybe make a deal for Hamas to stop firing rockets in order for IDF troops to retreat and a permanent rocket cease fire

Yah it's horrible with all the innocent civilians being killed for nothing, tey should rally stop, and lets also hope the Marines don't intrude, if u know what i'm sayin