Posted by Demrow

How am I supposed to respond to "lmao".

LOL Demrow, once on graal a guy i met pm'ed me 'hi' so i replied 'how are you?' and he replied 'why?'. I felt something broke inside my head, my logic systems failed and I fail to find the words to reply. Some people in graal seems to come from a different planet with completely different social norms.  

Haha I'd look at the order of post before you put together your dumb response. Crono and Reece don't speak for you. You started off with a pointless "lmao" which didn't contribute anything. Work harder in school please.  

Posted by Demrow

I agree not all staff should be paid. FAQs, GPs (volunteer), graphics, levels, scripters (An incentive to produce).

What we really need is REAL CUSTOMER SERVICE. not [email protected]  

Posted by Reece

If we wanted to be paid we wouldn't have applied in the first place :p

not everybody knows that some people try their best to get hired just so they can feel important. Some people get sucked into this aura of "importance" that graal has used to sucker people in since the beginning. there are very few people that volunteer for the sole purpose of helping graal become a better game. gp's and graphics are the ones that get easily suckered into this "importance" aura. I would bet 95% of the "artists" here started doing art because of graal.  

I'll explain since you don't get it.

The staff develop this game, in their free time, as a hobby. The only responsibility it comes with is the expectation that you can carry a workload, and if not then you will potentially be replaced.

Paying staff would take it from being a hobby to a responsibility. Staff would be expected to complete work, on demand, and be paid for it.

Current staff are completely fine with developing the game as a hobby (obviously, considering we have those who currently do it). The only time that paying staff comes into discussion is when you guys constantly make these crybaby threads about how there's nothing to do and have these expectations that the staff of this game are supposed to please you at your every demand.

The staff of this game don't need to or want to "boycott" anything, otherwise they would not have applied. If the management of this game has an interest in meeting all of your greedy demands concerning this 100% free game, then they should hire paid developers. Considering they are completely out of touch and haven't cared for over a decade, they don't.

So, it's one of two options:

1. Players need to realize that it's a free game that is currently developed by volunteers and not be such crybabies and beg for things.
2. Management needs to realize that there is often a lack of developmental updates and hire a development team on the side of the game.

Asking the current staff to stop working makes no sense.  

Posted by Wushen

What we really need is REAL CUSTOMER SERVICE. not [email protected]

support.toonslab.com

Posted by Demrow

Haha I'd look at the order of post before you put together your dumb response. Crono and Reece don't speak for you. You started off with a pointless "lmao" which didn't contribute anything. Work harder in school please.

No, it made sense, you just have a personal vendetta with me and feel the need to act out towards me when ever you are given the chance.

Posted by Thallen

I'll explain since you don't get it.

The staff develop this game, in their free time, as a hobby. The only responsibility it comes with is the expectation that you can carry a workload, and if not then you will potentially be replaced.

Paying staff would take it from being a hobby to a responsibility. Staff would be expected to complete work, on demand, and be paid for it.

Current staff are completely fine with developing the game as a hobby (obviously, considering we have those who currently do it). The only time that paying staff comes into discussion is when you guys constantly make these crybaby threads and have these expectations that the staff of this game are supposed to please you at your every demand.

The staff of this game don't need to or want to "boycott" anything, otherwise they would not have applied. If the management of this game has an interest in meeting all of your greedy demands concerning this 100% free game, then they should hire paid developers. Considering they are completely out of touch and haven't cared for over a decade, they don't.

This post right here just put an end to the argument, enjoy your day everyone.  

Exactly GOAT thats why we need CS staff members that arent players. Like someone they hired in America that went through normal face to face interviews and went through everything that a proper customer service member is trained to do.This way when we speak to a CS member we know that they might not be Bob the kid we beat in a spar and now holds a personal grudge against us. And we know for sure the CS guy did not do the job simply for that aura of importance and for the hats, and will do his job the way his boss wants him to do. If you think about it, outside of those text based MUD games, i dont know any MMO even the cheap FB apps that uses player based volunteers as 'staff'
Most have some nice DMs from the companies who will respond to you the way a real customer service will do. Not put on a vague 'INAPPROPRIATE' tag on your uploads without further explanations.  

Customer Support isn't handled by players, it is a job that high level staff members deal with lol, I think Graal allowing player volunteers to be staff is good, it gives people experience for the real world, hell I put it on my resume and got a job off it.  

Posted by Wushen

Exactly GOAT thats why we need CS staff members that arent players. Like someone they hired in America that went through normal face to face interviews and went through everything that a proper customer service member is trained to do.This way when we speak to a CS member we know that they might not be Bob the kid we beat in a spar and now holds a personal grudge against us. And we know for sure the CS guy did not do the job simply for that aura of importance and for the hats, and will do his job the way his boss wants him to do. If you think about it, outside of those text based MUD games, i dont know any MMO even the cheap FB apps that uses player based volunteers as 'staff'
Most have some nice DMs from the companies who will respond to you the way a real customer service will do. Not put on a vague 'INAPPROPRIATE' tag on your uploads without further explanations.

Personally, I think that having a paid staff would help the game out in many ways, but as long as people work for free("do their hobby") ownership wont have a need to hire people.





This could have been a good discussion thread, but the problem with the forum ATM is that most posters let their personal feelings towards other posters influence their post. Thats why the negativity starts quickly.


Wanting the game to improve is not being a crybaby. Just how people should be free to enjoy the game the way they want they should be able to think the way they want.  

Posted by Thallen

I'll explain since you don't get it.

The staff develop this game, in their free time, as a hobby. The only responsibility it comes with is the expectation that you can carry a workload, and if not then you will potentially be replaced.

Paying staff would take it from being a hobby to a responsibility. Staff would be expected to complete work, on demand, and be paid for it.

Current staff are completely fine with developing the game as a hobby (obviously, considering we have those who currently do it). The only time that paying staff comes into discussion is when you guys constantly make these crybaby threads about how there's nothing to do and have these expectations that the staff of this game are supposed to please you at your every demand.

The staff of this game don't need to or want to "boycott" anything, otherwise they would not have applied. If the management of this game has an interest in meeting all of your greedy demands concerning this 100% free game, then they should hire paid developers. Considering they are completely out of touch and haven't cared for over a decade, they don't.

So, it's one of two options:

1. Players need to realize that it's a free game that is currently developed by volunteers and not be such crybabies and beg for things.
2. Management needs to realize that there is often a lack of developmental updates and hire a development team on the side of the game.

Asking the current staff to stop working makes no sense.

Thallen you realize that there are other free games with paid staff members??That argument is void. They make their money off the in game economy. The lack of new content on iclassic is due to what? Lack of man power skill, and motivation?? What better way to motivate staff then by giving them some incentive to complete projects. An incentive will keep that "hobby feel" while not demanding staff to be on 8am-5. You even said yourself they should hire a development team. By pushing staff to speak up (if they want) and ask for extra motivation(incentive), I think it would both benefit players and staff.  

Why is this even a topic? The staff are doing this because they like it, it isn't your place to argue what they get or not especially when some of them have even told you they are doing it because they enjoy it, they don't care about money they already have incentive to complete projects, this whole thing is idiotic.

If it's bothering you so much then leave god damnit I am tired of people posting threads like this with useless complaining.  

Colin= not staff. Let them speak.

Extra incentive for staff benefits players and staff. Game has a lack of content and a lot of potential. I'd like that potential maximized.  

Great, learn to develop and start doing that, other wise you are in no position to judge what the current development structure is like.

Money doesn't buy incentive, and I don't think you understand that.

I would rather have content that someone created because they wanted to than content they created because they were paid to.  

They're not getting paid anytime soon..
But I will say they could be using their talents elsewhere  

Posted by Colin

Great, learn to develop and start doing that, other wise you are in no position to judge what the current development structure is like.

Money doesn't buy incentive, and I don't think you understand that.

I would rather have content that someone created because they wanted to than content they created because they were paid to.

Dumbest thing I've heard out your mouth by far.