IP-Bans Are Counter Productive

Skill · 06-02-2014

Graal has been utilizing IP Bans for the worst offenders. However, if feel as if these do more harm for good. They're generally used for the worst hackers, the ones that attempt to circumvent bans by creating multiple accounts using device faking software.

First off, not everyone has a static IP. Many ISPs provide a dynamic IP via DHCP, which has a varying duration based on the lease. If you have a dynamic IP, getting a new IP address and circumventing a ban is as simple as restarting your modem or waiting for the next lease.

Even if you don't have a dynamic IP, you can either call your ISP and request a new IP, or you can utilize a proxy/VPN to play on a different IP. If someone is capable of hacking the game and digging through memory/game files, and faking device IDs through a program, they're likely capable of setting up a VPN.

Because of dynamic IPs, it can also effect innocent players as well. If one day I get leased an IP that was previously used by a hacker, my account may get banned as well for being on the same IP as someone else. As more people play Graal, this could become a problem-especially with IPV4 having such a limited amount of addresses.

Also, it can affect public networks. If someone was banned at a popular location such as a cafe, airport, or other public location, it can prevent other players from playing there, or even leak their ban onto innocent players.

As Graal Continues to grow, I feel like the decision to use IP bans should be reconsidered. They worked ok when Graal was small, but now that thousands of people are logged in at a time, I don't think they are a very good idea. They're good situationally for small thinks like Minecraft servers, but on a large scale game they aren't worth the problems they cause.

captainhaxs · 06-02-2014

The fact Ban evading can be exhausting after while is what stops hackers. Graal security is getting more and more complex. The number of hackers that move from place to place getting ip banned is very small. Removing ip banns will just let script kiddies ruin things. Plus I like a challenge. What is your alternative to ip banns then?

Also
There are 4.3 billion ipv4 addresses.. Not to mention we have ipv6 now, the graal community isn't that big dude. Lol

GAMEOVER · 06-02-2014

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Skill · 06-02-2014

Posted by captainhaxs

The fact Ban evading can be exhausting after while is what stops hackers. Graal security is getting more and more complex. The number of hackers that move from place to place getting ip banned is very small. Removing ip banns will just let script kiddies ruin things. Plus I like a challenge. What is your alternative to ip banns then?

Also
There are 4.3 billion ipv4 addresses.. Not to mention we have ipv6 now, the graal community isn't that big dude. Lol

IP flagging, flag the ip addresses of known hackers rather than just banning it. Send a message to mods when someone with a flagged ip logs in. Keep closer eye on flagged ips. That way they seem to get caught a lot, and they don't think to get a new IP since they don't get banned the moment they log in from a certain ip.

captainhaxs · 06-02-2014

They do that already lol,

Crono · 06-02-2014

should ban the entire device, for example if someone hacks on iphone 4 we ban all iphone 4 users.

Thallen · 06-02-2014

Posted by Skill

If one day I get leased an IP that was previously used by a hacker, my account may get banned as well for being on the same IP as someone else. As more people play Graal, this could become a problem-especially with IPV4 having such a limited amount of addresses.

don't worry bro, of the 4,294,967,296 available IPv4 addresses, only 0.000004% of them play Graal, and only 0.1% of those are banned, so I think you're in good shape

Crono · 06-02-2014

Posted by Thallen

don't worry bro, of the 4,294,967,296 available IPv4 addresses, only 0.000004% of them play Graal, and only 0.1% of those are banned, so I think you're in good shape

we r runnin out of ip4 addresses thallen, we cant afford to ban ppl!!

Distorted · 06-02-2014

It's not even worth it to ip ban, I could get around that in literally a minute.

Cookie Xanadu · 06-02-2014

Posted by Crono

should ban the entire device, for example if someone hacks on iphone 4 we ban all iphone 4 users.

No that's not enough. We need to ban evey single iOS device for evey server. Then move these servers to PC to ensure that those pesky hackers won't be able to hack iGraal again.

Crono · 06-02-2014

Posted by Cookie Xanadu

No that's not enough. We need to ban evey single iOS device for evey server. Then move these servers to PC to ensure that those pesky hackers won't be able to hack iGraal again.

sweet idea bro solid

Torankusu · 06-02-2014

Posted by Crono

sweet idea bro solid

he sounds ready to move up the corporate ladder.

Sicx · 06-02-2014

onion router ftw

hosler · 06-02-2014

Onion "router"

Colin · 06-02-2014

Actually, one time I was banned for a month over the dumbest reason so I set up a VPN and the iP it gave me was banned for account theft for a few thousand hours, it was pretty cool.

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Skill The Unwanted Critic Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 3,639	IP-Bans Are Counter Productive Graal has been utilizing IP Bans for the worst offenders. However, if feel as if these do more harm for good. They're generally used for the worst hackers, the ones that attempt to circumvent bans by creating multiple accounts using device faking software. First off, not everyone has a static IP. Many ISPs provide a dynamic IP via DHCP, which has a varying duration based on the lease. If you have a dynamic IP, getting a new IP address and circumventing a ban is as simple as restarting your modem or waiting for the next lease. Even if you don't have a dynamic IP, you can either call your ISP and request a new IP, or you can utilize a proxy/VPN to play on a different IP. If someone is capable of hacking the game and digging through memory/game files, and faking device IDs through a program, they're likely capable of setting up a VPN. Because of dynamic IPs, it can also effect innocent players as well. If one day I get leased an IP that was previously used by a hacker, my account may get banned as well for being on the same IP as someone else. As more people play Graal, this could become a problem-especially with IPV4 having such a limited amount of addresses. Also, it can affect public networks. If someone was banned at a popular location such as a cafe, airport, or other public location, it can prevent other players from playing there, or even leak their ban onto innocent players. As Graal Continues to grow, I feel like the decision to use IP bans should be reconsidered. They worked ok when Graal was small, but now that thousands of people are logged in at a time, I don't think they are a very good idea. They're good situationally for small thinks like Minecraft servers, but on a large scale game they aren't worth the problems they cause.

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captainhaxs Wanted Criminal Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: █████████████ Posts: 126	The fact Ban evading can be exhausting after while is what stops hackers. Graal security is getting more and more complex. The number of hackers that move from place to place getting ip banned is very small. Removing ip banns will just let script kiddies ruin things. Plus I like a challenge. What is your alternative to ip banns then? Also There are 4.3 billion ipv4 addresses.. Not to mention we have ipv6 now, the graal community isn't that big dude. Lol Last edited by captainhaxs; 06-02-2014 at 07:41 AM. Reason: Computer science rage

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Crono :pluffy: Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,945	should ban the entire device, for example if someone hacks on iphone 4 we ban all iphone 4 users.

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Colin Registered User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,204	Actually, one time I was banned for a month over the dumbest reason so I set up a VPN and the iP it gave me was banned for account theft for a few thousand hours, it was pretty cool.