I wish US would come back.. Guys like Brett and Ares did a goodjob carrying them all those years. I wasn't around for a lot of US's wins but they definitley did outmatch every
team they went up against in the one or two I watched and participated in. It would be a lot more interesting now for sure. Round up the troops Crono..1 more time!

US is pretty lucky a bunch of Elite sparrers on UN got bored and joined (in my opinion what was becoming a dying guild) Ares, Squirt, Brett, Deo, Praydoh (Charlie Cypher), Smoke, myself at one point. They became the flavor of the month but did a good job holding onto most of these guys.  

I'm sure it's partially true that US won a ton of GSTs because they had the best PCs the fastest and because GSTs were hosted monthly
When stronger teams like Mother came around it became harder, but also a lot of US members lost interest in sparring so that was probably the bigger problem
Another issue is the fact that US is not like every other guild that just recruits people on the spot for a chance at competing in the GST

even so, no PC team would ever be able to beat a full US team if everyone got together and cared to win

Prado, Ares, Deo, Highlander?, David, Rufus, Crono, Shannon, Trip, Squirt, myself
Brett is IMO the best sparrer of all-time and he never even played iClassic, so throw him in there as a possibility
with those people, our 2 subs would probably be better than the best 2 on other teams, WTF kind of GST team has to consider subbing David or something

you'd have better luck beating Tortoise's full-on godmode in a Babylon weekly tournament hosted by Sephiroth

Posted by Demrow

They became the flavor of the month but did a good job holding onto most of these guys.

uh, no
US was around long before newbies like Charlie even knew how to set his coat color so I can't see how it was ever just a flavor
it was always an extremely relevant and consistent guild, Rufus just took it in a different direction with a different group of players

that group of players stays together because we've known each other forever through sparring and have mutual respect for one another, we play other games, we Skype, etc.

the guild seemed to have of every really good sparrer from the 2004-2007ish sparring era except Halo and Neo
I hate when people dillute or dumb down "PC sparring" or "PC Graal" to this small window of time when UN was the only server because, TBH, that's when sparring was at its worst

US was strong even when Morgoth was the leader and it was probably successful on UN (I'm just guessing because I had quit by that time) because it was passed on to someone that isn't an asshole, doesn't have an overwhelming ego, and is generally good at leading and organizing things

and Brett was never in a single GST, so he didn't carry a damn thing
no one ever carried US, everyone just sparred and cooperated and won  

Posted by Thallen

US was strong even when Morgoth was the leader and it was probably successful on UN (I'm just guessing because I had quit by that time) because it was passed on to someone that isn't an asshole, doesn't have an overwhelming ego, and is generally good at leading and organizing things

Ya I joined it back in 07 and it was pretty active, just not spar focused. Even then, we still ranked high on what was left of Classic. US moved on to UN after Classic died. BTK lost interest in Graal at the same time so the new SNC folks were the only real competition on UN. I say competition, but 1v1 I think Rufus had picked up some of the best guys. Funny how a "flavor of the month" guild hung onto its roster for many years.

But ya, don't think most of us have any interest in GST/sparring.  

yeah, older US was strictly Classic and Classic was one of those servers that didn't really have a hardcore sparring community
people hung out at level14.graal rather than a spar arena (UN) or an events house (Babylon), etc.

Classic was more centered around it's close-knit community, PKing, and events, so I guess there was just never a need for US to have some beastly sparring presence, although they did have people like Trip, Deo, Clel (I think?), but my memory is way too clouded about Graal times to remember if they were in US even pre-Rufus
US vs. VV at Babord fort, I'll take that over sitting in TC spar any day

it just makes sense that when Classic was dying and everyone moved to UN that sparrers would be who US should recruit
not like anyone wants to recruit those plebs like Unique, Jigga, and whoever else plays that toilet server anyway  

Believe it or not, when they moved the server to Europe I was one of the bic bois thanks to serverside hd.  

Posted by Thallen

you'd have better luck beating Tortoise's full-on godmode in a Babylon weekly tournament hosted by Sephiroth

I loled irl  

just leave the thread now, go practice before you get rekt by these guys again

 

Baited and caught Thallen. Let's compare life stories and see who's doing better..
I'll start. I have a girlfriend. If you can say the same we can also go into college degree, homeownership, and job if you'd like. Since you're a big talker, let's get some personal **** going and I want you to post a pic of your fatass with any friends/girlfriend to show how socially advanced you are.

Posted by Thallen

just leave the thread now, go practice before you get rekt by these guys again

You participated..what place did you come in?  

Posted by Demrow

Crono you're irrelevant. And our raging bonners? Hahaha wtf..fkn weirdo. Slx and mhx have been around the same amount of time. Roleplaying?! Dude you play a fkn non human diglett character with a gay little US shield that you probably worked on real hard. You also have art of your weird ass character as your avatar, I'd hold up on the role playing disses.

that's no way to address a god, peasant

in other news: i rustled someone's jimmys  

Posted by Crono

that's no way to address a god, peasant

in other news: i rustled someone's jimmys

More role playing. I think our argument is over.  

lmao guys plz. graal is all about trolling people. we dont need a college degree history class here.  

Reeling it back in to the thread topic (or something at least more similar than the entire last page)....Would anyone agree with a new system to better inform the players of the GST date? Through all the rumors and "admins say this, no this guy said that" kind of talk, the truth becomes very muddled. I'd propose some npc message closeby to "Congratulations to _____________ for winning the _______ GST" that informs us of at least a general time period. It becomes hard to find out who is/is not able to be online for it if the date isn't known. At first, the 24th was thought to be the date, then the 31st, now I'm seeing Abel's status where he supposedly talked to an admin who said it's 2-3 weeks from now. It's getting ridiculous tbh.  

Would make it easier on everyone involved definitely. I don't know why GST wasn't on the 24th and then why it wouldn't be on the 31st. If they're delaying a time to finish up hats for the event, I think it would be a good idea to treat GST winners like tower guilds that reach 1k hours and allow a guild to upload a hat, 2nd place gets a pre-made hat by staff.. that way they're not working on 6.  

Some team will win, and then a bunch of idiots will post on the forums about how it was rigged in favor of some team.  

In the early tournaments, hats that were already made were used, take Memento Mori hat for example. You can also find it on Zeross statue for most spar tokens on UN. They could just do this as well. I know Eko always wanted the hat 69069.gif (and not because of the numbers, he loved wings and these were a set of animated wings, like the US GST hat).