Any special attacker with Bug Buzz or Hyper Voice (Volcarona/Galvantula and Sylveon come to mind) can hit Gliscor behind its Sub and 2HKO it. Also, Gliscor can do absolutely nothing to Skarmory, and Skarm can just Whirlwind it out.  

Posted by Talon

Any special attacker with Bug Buzz or Hyper Voice (Volcarona/Galvantula and Sylveon come to mind) can hit Gliscor behind its Sub and 2HKO it. Also, Gliscor can do absolutely nothing to Skarmory, and Skarm can just Whirlwind it out.

I never thought about that actually. That would be a nice tactic. That Gliscor led to my downfall man. Just that one stinking Pokemon. It pisses me off since if you have a Pokemon that doesn't have it's weakness, then you're screwed. I kept hitting it over and over and it would keep using roost with its Poison Heal. I kind of find tanks like him cheap and annoying. I spent like 7 minutes of that battle playing roost with Talonbird and Gliscor. I'm thinking of adding Swampert as an addition to my team. I heard he's a good defensive wall and his only weakness is grass.  

How is Gliscor cheap...?  

He's not really cheap but he is by far and away the most annoying Pokemon in OU alongside Quagsire and Trevenant. Gliscor is the Pokemon I have caused the most ragequits with by far.

Rotom-W is a better defensive wall than Swampert since it has almost the greatest typing in the game, also only weak to Grass. It can run either phys. or spec. defensive and do fine, but phys. is generally preferred. It can go offensive too since its offensive typing is ridiculously strong. No Ground types except Scarf Excadrill or Garchomp can switch into its Electric STAB because of Hydro Pump/Scald. Washing machine is a little **** and the bane of a lot of teams' existence.  

Posted by Sariss

How is Gliscor cheap...?

Well, I couldn't kill him with any other Pokemon. I tried Garchomp with Stone Edge. It took like 1/4 of his health, then he used earthquake. Healed himself with Toxic Orb + Roost and repeated. Tried killing him with Talonflame. He kept healing himself while I damaged myself with recoil and repeatedly used roost. Tried killing him with Espeon's psyshock (+Twisted Spoon btw). Only took a small portion of health. Tried killing him with Scolipede as my last resort. Did absolutely nothing to him. So yeah, my only Pokemon who could fight him was Greninja who was taken out earlier. He was pretty annoying.

Posted by Talon

He's not really cheap but he is by far and away the most annoying Pokemon in OU alongside Quagsire and Trevenant. Gliscor is the Pokemon I have caused the most ragequits with by far.

Rotom-W is a better defensive wall than Swampert since it has almost the greatest typing in the game, also only weak to Grass. It can run either phys. or spec. defensive and do fine, but phys. is generally preferred. It can go offensive too since its offensive typing is ridiculously strong. No Ground types except Scarf Excadrill or Garchomp can switch into its Electric STAB because of Hydro Pump/Scald. Washing machine is a little **** and the bane of a lot of teams' existence.

I've seen people use Rotom-W. A lot of people actually. The only reason I'm not using him is because I'm trying to avoid having everything from this list:

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/what...titive-pokemon

I already have Greninja and Garchomp from there. We'll see though. He is good from battles I've experienced. You've recommended some good stuff so far.  

Didn't mention Bisharp, M.Gyarados, M.Zards, Thundurus, M.Lucario, Genesect, Azumarill... I wouldn't follow that list. Why follow it in the first place though? No shame in using good Pokemon.  

Posted by Talon

Didn't mention Bisharp, M.Gyarados, M.Zards, Thundurus, M.Lucario, Genesect, Azumarill... I wouldn't follow that list. Why follow it in the first place though? No shame in using good Pokemon.

Yeah, but I don't like it when everyone uses the same thing. It's kind of dull. I want to have a good competitive team without using too many of the overused Pokemon. Klefki, Aegislash, Mega Kanghaskan and Rotom Wash are probably the most used I've seen online from the battles I've experienced.  

Posted by Tyler

Yeah, but I don't like it when everyone uses the same thing. It's kind of dull. I want to have a good competitive team without using too many of the overused Pokemon. Klefki, Aegislash, Mega Kanghaskan and Rotom Wash are probably the most used I've seen online from the battles I've experienced.

Lol aegislash is so fun, I got it to dodge a sucker punch and three knock offs in a row from a mawile

Also dat Gale wings talonflame doe

Btw, I remember there were like three people who wanted to fight me with my red mock-up team like, six months ago. Do those people still wanna fight?  

mhm, I don't play cartridge though.  

Posted by Tyler

Tried killing him with Espeon's psyshock (+Twisted Spoon btw). Only took a small portion of health.

o didnt see this

Gliscor is a Physically defensive tank (and a hell of a good one at that), and Psyshock hits the Physical side instead of the Special side. Most Special hits 2HKO or 3HKO it.  

Posted by Talon

o didnt see this

Gliscor is a Physically defensive tank (and a hell of a good one at that), and Psyshock hits the Physical side instead of the Special side. Most Special hits 2HKO or 3HKO it.

Ahhh. I thought it was special. My bad. Probably explains why rock slide and and stone edge did nothing either.  

my main man Staraptor though:

252+ Atk Choice Band Reckless Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 184+ Def Gliscor: 237-279 (66.9 - 78.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal

best Physical wallbreaker besides Kyu-B

also Kabutops is ridiculously strong under rain, you guys should try out weather teams (again, if you have already)  

How much do IV's matter in general? Are they as important as natures?  

Posted by Sup3rn00b

How much do IV's matter in general? Are they as important as natures?

IVs are basically the line in competitive between your pokemon standing a chance and it getting its rear kicked by a magikarp.  

Posted by Sup3rn00b

How much do IV's matter in general? Are they as important as natures?

Not /too/ much. Natures are by far more important than IVs since they're a percentage modifier. Speed is the most important IV to have maxed to ensure speed ties/speed creeps but everything else isn't as important, except maybe your attacking and HP stats.

@Infernus I still want to battle you on Showdown.