Should a gun admin be hired for zone? Im just curious since I hear a ton of rabbling from players about how zone has no ga and no one knows proper weapon balancing in zone and the weapons are unbalanced. I want to know, two things, should a GA be hired and what should they fix. Or why zone doesn't need a GA.
I think personally zone needs a GA theres a lot of small tweaking issues with zone what I think should be done in zone to improve balancing.
Red/Green rifle tap fire removed and 6 dmg
Streamer tap fire removed
APR clip nerf to 12 and a reload increase.
Ill add on to my list later.  

i feel bad for the ga that has to deal with the overcomplicated and stupid gun systems  

Posted by BboyEatsbacon

i feel bad for the ga that has to deal with the overcomplicated and stupid gun systems

Self pity is bad, you're hired! Congratsss!  

Yes. Me. I dont think streamer tap fore should be removed though since most people cant do it, its not easy to do. Rippers clip should be 18  

Posted by GenoIndeed

Yes. Me. I dont think streamer tap fore should be removed though since most people cant do it, its not easy to do. Rippers clip should be 18

thats a bunch of bs. 90% of streamer users I see tap fire it and its incredibly easy to do. Its not a total gamebreaking thing, but zone is slowly going over to a streamer tap fire mustard, and even then its not needed since the gun shoots faster than other guns in auto. If clip size on rippers to 18 we would still be in square 1 since they would still be far more superior than a photon and that I consider to be the bread and butter of zones combat weapons. They would also still be dealing far more damage than
18clip 7.5dmg = 135 total dmg
18 clip 7dmg = 126

12clip 7.5 dmg = 90 dmg
18clip 7dmg = 126
What this means, the APR would still be the top dog gun in spar and for 1v1s with the absurdly fast rof and high damage AND the low b2k. However you only have enough firepower to take out 1 person, and a slightly longer reload to .6 making this gun in combat awesome in 1v1s but if faced with multiple people you better have another gun in your quick select and use that gun instead. This should be a strict skill based weapon and you must make every single shot count. Also zone needs more spar specific weapons and this would work great.

Posted by BboyEatsbacon

i feel bad for the ga that has to deal with the overcomplicated and stupid gun systems

why does everyone think the system is so complicated? its not hard to balance out the weapons if you know what your doing and go through multiple tests.  

I think every server needs a gun admin.

Hehe.

But in all honesty, I don't really think it's necessary.

Just make sure admins don't over-**** gun stats.

Posted by GenoIndeed

Yes. Me. I dont think streamer tap fore should be removed though since most people cant do it, its not easy to do.

Are most people's thumb bones arthritic or something?  

Tashkin or PD already do this I'm assuming and it's just going to **** up everybody if someone new comes in and wants to change everything. It's not really about all around balance, they have different gun tiers on purpose.  

@ghettosnapple You can also reply without being a jerk. If the changes you want for the APRs were to happen then it wouldnt be worth the price. I think 18 is a fair clip size since the streamer has it too and is just as strong when in frenzy. The streamer is only slightly inferior due to its clip size and the way it shoots, which is why i think the price for the aprs is fair. If anything though, the prices for both need to be raised. And i agree with you on the red/green rifles, they need to be put back to 6 dmg, tap removed and i think they should be 8000 like the photon rifle. Another gun that needs to be changed is the bow. They need to make the arrows more visible because they are near impossible to see in most parts of the game.

@Nyte that is true, even though high end guns have perks, theyre not impossible to defeat, ive taken down high end gun users with a beamer plenty of times so skill is a major factor. Thats a benifit to zone unlike Era where you basically buy your way to the top.  

Posted by GenoIndeed

@ghettosnapple You can also reply without being a jerk. If the changes you want for the APRs were to happen then it wouldnt be worth the price. I think 18 is a fair clip size since the streamer has it too and is just as strong when in frenzy. The streamer is only slightly inferior due to its clip size and the way it shoots, which is why i think the price for the aprs is fair. If anything though, the prices for both need to be raised. And i agree with you on the red/green rifles, they need to be put back to 6 dmg, tap removed and i think they should be 8000 like the photon rifle. Another gun that needs to be changed is the bow. They need to make the arrows more visible because they are near impossible to see in most parts of the game.

holy crap, you still have a massive advantage over other people with the APRs even with a 12 clip. Your dealing a way higher damage per second and you have one less bullet to kill. With an 18 clip you still have no drawbacks. You still deal out the higher damage per second, 1 less btk, a higher t2k, and a normal clip, theres no downsides to the gun. As of now the APRs if this was era would be 200k, since these are mock p2ks with less damage. As for the streamer being "inferior," it still is not if the aprs get a 12 clip they will still be better since the streamer can only be fully powered in frenzy mode. Plus APRs will still have the faster rof.

If the red and green rifle do get back up to 6 damage and have tap fire removed, then bumping the guns price up to 8000 would be pointless since the Photon Rifle would be superior to the color rifles since the photon has tap fire and thats why its more expensive.

Posted by 5hifter

Just make sure admins don't over-**** gun stats.

They already have, all the guns in the 3rd gun shop are underpowered except for 2, they destroyed the purpose of the red and green rifle with the last nerf, and the APRs are OP, everyone knows it, and no admin has taken up the issue, the siphon pistol nerf from 6.5 to 6 dmg screwed over that gun.  

Posted by GenoIndeed

@ghettosnapple You can also reply without being a jerk. If the changes you want for the APRs were to happen then it wouldnt be worth the price. I think 18 is a fair clip size since the streamer has it too and is just as strong when in frenzy. The streamer is only slightly inferior due to its clip size and the way it shoots, which is why i think the price for the aprs is fair. If anything though, the prices for both need to be raised. And i agree with you on the red/green rifles, they need to be put back to 6 dmg, tap removed and i think they should be 8000 like the photon rifle. Another gun that needs to be changed is the bow. They need to make the arrows more visible because they are near impossible to see in most parts of the game.

@Nyte that is true, even though high end guns have perks, theyre not impossible to defeat, ive taken down high end gun users with a beamer plenty of times so skill is a major factor. Thats a benifit to zone unlike Era where you basically buy your way to the top.

They shouldn't raise the price. Git 4 guns :3  

Yes, they should hire a Gun Admin.

Somebody who is good with numbers and balancing, can rationally think things through, and is willing to do some extra work now and then to ensure that players don't get completely ripped off. The "Gun Admin" position should go to somebody who has these qualities, not serve as a purgatory between the "developer" and "assistant development co-manager" positions.  

The AP Rippers aren't that bad. Maybe they look overpowered on paper but when you use them they are beatable. They do have a lot of perks though and can change a not so good player to decent, but I'm fine with that. I feel pretty rewarded for having to grind showdown wins to save up enough to buy the gun, it was worth when I was interested.  

We really dont need a guns admin, we just need whoever is making the guns to think out the stats for them, and not have Stefan nerf the thing before its even released. I mean, anyone could really do it as long as they think about what they are actually doing. Not like such a job requires any specific talent or skill, just knowledge of the game.  

Posted by MrSimons

We really dont need a guns admin, we just need whoever is making the guns to think out the stats for them, and not have Stefan nerf the thing before its even released. I mean, anyone could really do it as long as they think about what they are actually doing. Not like such a job requires any specific talent or skill, just knowledge of the game.

well clearly no one in staff knows how to balance since the third weapon shop is a complete joke and a rip off.  

GIT, learn GS2 and get yourself hired. Please.