im a nice person don't take this the wrong way

Stefan the owner of graal doesn't want it to prosper. Thought classic is a great success, he is allowing pc graal to die, and is abusing all servers to make money. If somehow idelteria comes out without hat shops, and tons of shop based materials, than we have 1/4 non corrupt servers. Great staff do exist but even they cant do anything about the issues one mans greed or confusion has caused.
"dislike it don't play it" no that's the issue I like it so much when I look at the content and the ****ty graphics yet still have more fun than call of duty, it tells me that its a great game the only problem is nothing is improving.
(most of you might not know him)
but heres the story of PC classic from what ive seen and heard, please don't combard me with what I said wrong and such, this is a speculation and I hope it helps with my argument.
Thor, got the server classic from Stefan. It had many issues so thor decided to restart it in 2006? I think 2006 anyways
imagine building a house for 5 years and getting a group of professional builders to help? but than the Realistate person who owns the property of the builder deliberately makes sure nobody uses the house and doesn't help you sell the house because it would effect the way he makes money.
Well thor spent countless hours with his crew building a server, that got added to the server list for a week than taken down because of stefans temper. Basically im bashing Stefan and this might not be the best approach but im just hoping he will read this and fix something. Graal used to be free on pc, than after p2p it got ruined, than he made iclassic. Lucky for him hes got loads of rich children who are fine with buying gfx and hes happy as ever.
Stefan you took away thors dream, people may say im being dramatic, thor basically waisted a huge portion of the past 5 years.
You are killing the idevice servers too, and great staff like rufus are wasting time on a server that the main goal is a 1k hat.

Step 1, Make a new idevice server that is put in the hands of person like rufus or thor so that something REAL can get done can get done.

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Take a chill pill what's done is done, I'm sure after the heated debate dies down rufus will bring over some of these new graal classic pc quest/updates onto iClassic.  

Thor made bad decisions. He wanted Stefan to do things, yet continuously mocked Stefan and Unix at every turn. He riddled the server with insults to iClassic for no reason other than the fact he didn't like the server and then pretty openly just insulted Stefan and Unix... yet expected them to help him out.

I'm not going to chime in on whether things should have gone differently, and my opinion on the server/Thor, but you don't bite the hand that feeds you. I am not surprised how it turned out, he was pushing his luck.  

Lol, you forgot to mention tashkin, he is the best manager out there  

Posted by Dusty

Thor made bad decisions. He wanted Stefan to do things, yet continuously mocked Stefan and Unix at every turn. He riddled the server with insults to iClassic for no reason other than the fact he didn't like the server and then pretty openly just insulted Stefan and Unix... yet expected them to help him out.

I'm not going to chime in on whether things should have gone differently, and my opinion on the server/Thor, but you don't bite the hand that feeds you. I am not surprised how it turned out, he was pushing his luck.

In his defense this was after years of frustration. Ya he let it get to him and maybe that’s y things played out the way they did but I cant blame him after all the free time he spent trying to make it work. Stefan and maxypad only like developers that bow down to them and suck up which Thor declined to do.  

Posted by GOAT

In his defense this was after years of frustration. Ya he let it get to him and maybe that’s y things played out the way they did but I cant blame him after all the free time he spent trying to make it work. Stefan and maxypad only like developers that bow down to them and suck up which Thor declined to do.

I don't disagree. I have been pretty frustrated and I have lashed out on the forums at various mods... but... Stefan and Unix own Graal. I don't care how frustrated you get, if you insult them over and over, even if you're in the right... things aren't going to end well.

I can say maybe that it sucks that Stefan didn't help them remove observer mode(I really don't want to get into that) but when he started acting the way he did he forfeited the right for people to feel bad for Stefan taking the server away from him. There was no other outcome for his actions. He can't act surprised, I'm sure he knew what he was getting himself into.

Also Thor was insulting iClassic way before the observer mess. I didn't like that, I was never a fan of the iClassic launch, but it gave me the impression Thor thought he was better, or that Classic was his and that his decisions were the only right ones. I never felt that was justified; he shouldn't have been using the Classic server as an outlet for his opinions of iClassic and Stefan/Unixmad.  

You explain stuff good  

Posted by Dusty

Thor made bad decisions. He wanted Stefan to do things, yet continuously mocked Stefan and Unix at every turn. He riddled the server with insults to iClassic for no reason other than the fact he didn't like the server and then pretty openly just insulted Stefan and Unix... yet expected them to help him out.

I'm not going to chime in on whether things should have gone differently, and my opinion on the server/Thor, but you don't bite the hand that feeds you. I am not surprised how it turned out, he was pushing his luck.

The way I saw it, he played ball till Stefan came undone with his apparent 'promises', it was only then that Thor started mocking both stefan and unix, up till last year I saw Thor as quite a mature being(he still is... kinda...).

As for those saying you can't wait for pc graal quests to hit the iphone, Thor stated(I don't know about the correctness of his statements) that it wont happen due to the IOS platform's restricted resource nature, in other words there'd be too much lag.

And to those saying, iClassic is your game, it's not your game and it never will be. Stefan doesn't care about anyone who doesn't make him a buck and then he only semi cares...
Graal on the IOS is all about Stefan making an easy buck and developers getting trodden on. It always has been in my eyes(Exempt from when I first started playing). Hence the lack of care taken to further push into some kinda greatness.  

That undercover topic yo  

Now Thor has Classic on Graal Reborn :S  

Posted by Sir

Now Thor has Classic on Graal Reborn :S

What the heck... Under what server name!? If you're talking about the old gta which is severely dated, you're so wrong... that has been there for ages.  

Posted by Tricxta

What the heck... Under what server name!? If you're talking about the old gta which is severely dated, you're so wrong... that has been there for ages.

It's like 'Classic Graal Adventure' I'm not sure I don't use Reborn.  

Players do the work to make servers and Stefan gets money. I'd never side with Stefan no matter what a developer did.  

Posted by Sir

It's like 'Classic Graal Adventure' I'm not sure I don't use Reborn.

Get your facts straight before you stir **** please.  

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