Posted by T-10a

To be honest, they need to show exact stats of a weapon when you buy them/see them in your inventory.

I've had this idea for a long time. Why not make some universal gun stat chart? For example, it might looks somthing like this:

M4
Damage:8
Freeze:Medium
Automatic:No
Capacity:16

Somthing along the lines of that.  

Posted by BabyGhost

Actually, you might be correct. If I heard that Recurve is guns admin, and Bitzsam's title says he's also guns admin, they're probably both guns admin.

I kinda miss Meph though. The last thing I've seen from him was his flamethrower.

Meph didn't really make guns, that flame thrower you saw was olirus's that he scripted. That being said he was extremely good at balancing them and getting their stats but wasn't very active due to his personal life. But yea Rec and I are sharing the position as we can do twice as much, and since he's American and I'm Australian we can review things much easier.

As for the PL9 it got less freeze and an increased fire rate as Baby Ghost said. It's not dramatic but that's because I felt in spar in particular since it fires 3 bullets and has a lot of spread its hard to dodge.
I'm not sure if any of you realised but the m3 was nerfed. It does 2 damage per bullet 3 upgraded giving it a maximum of 12 damage. As for the KSG the damage on it was increased by .5 so it now does a total of 9 damage upgraded. G36K's damage was decreased by 1 and the SIG552 was given the same stats as the sten but less ammo and not auto since its 5k cheaper.

So yea hope this clears some things.  

now nerf starter shotgun as it outclasses m3  

blablabla nerf this ***, nerf that ***. nerf requests everywhere until all guns damage 1 hp.  

try using a starter shotgun and deicde.  

Starter Shotgun
-5 bullets per shot
-3 damage when upgraded (total 15)
-4 blasts per clip
-slightly more spread

M3
-4 bullets per shot
-3 damage when upgraded (total 12)
-3 blasts per clip
-slightly less spread

There's a slight advantage with the regular shotgun. It can shoot more bullets than m3 and does slightly more damage. It can also shoot 4 times instead of 3 times. Both have the same rate of fire. The spread isn't a huge difference, but the regular shotgun has slightly more spread than m3.

You may want to balance out these shotguns a bit.  

Tbh I'd be much happier if shotguns did one set of damage and didn't stack. I hate how everyone uses shotguns as their main guns especially in bases when it's not what they're for.

I probably can't do it because there would be a riot, but if I could it would mean they won't have to have the huge freeze they have, and have a slight advantage because you get more spread  

Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM

Tbh I'd be much happier if shotguns did one set of damage and didn't stack. I hate how everyone uses shotguns as their main guns especially in bases when it's not what they're for.

I probably can't do it because there would be a riot, but if I could it would mean they won't have to have the huge freeze they have, and have a slight advantage because you get more spread

I myself agree it should be one set damage. Another idea I gave awhile back was to lower the speed at which the weapon is fired.

With the pbp you have more rounds pumping out than any normal human could pump for the next shot.  

I think one set damage is lame. So it'd be like the Lexel or Shipka? That'd make shotguns a hell of OP. Stacked damage is good as long as it makes sense, adding up to the max damage per shot or less, depending on how many bullets hit.  

Posted by Shock

I think one set damage is lame. So it'd be like the Lexel or Shipka? That'd make shotguns a hell of OP. Stacked damage is good as long as it makes sense, adding up to the max damage per shot or less, depending on how many bullets hit.

It wouldn't be op, all shotguns used to be one set damage for about 4 months before it was changed and no-one used them  

Stacked damage needs to be removed I'd personally like my shotguns more if they had 1 set damage and less freeze the spread can be very effective and with the current stacked damage system they have the perks of spread and insane damage :/ no gun should deal damage over 11. And their firing speed is slow enough to bypass the hit registration system making shotguns even more powerful.  

Just add riot shields and call it a day.  

Get rid of stacked damage  

I just bought the Pl9 shotgun and I love it, it is amazing  

Posted by Alan Harper

Stacked damage needs to be removed I'd personally like my shotguns more if they had 1 set damage and less freeze the spread can be very effective and with the current stacked damage system they have the perks of spread and insane damage :/ no gun should deal damage over 11. And their firing speed is slow enough to bypass the hit registration system making shotguns even more powerful.

It makes shotguns easier to use if you don't stack damage. I'm telling you now, with the number of new shotguns out especially, the ease of kills will drive you all to come back here and whine.