Apparently, the answer to everything is you're either a troll or just ******ed. One way to beat around the bush because you dont really have an answer or can't accept an answer.  

Posted by Jose Papp

Jesus, i've been reading everything up. It goes down to simply people complaining and insulting people who do not take part on those aspects of the game, but want to fond a way to solve the ruckus on. If you "competitive" players just keep insulting us, people who try to find solutions for YOUR problems we (i agree) aren't even supposed to care about, how do you want this game to improve? You've indirectly and directly mentioned how influenced/dependant those activities are to the playerbase. So, instead of arguing with us, complaining or drowning in nostalgia, don't you make people come and play with you? There's no rewards? There's boosters? Then make yourself farm rewards! And make special sparring matches in your house with the new boobytraps from castle, go and show those "noob guilds" what you like about your respective aspect of the game, teach them so they can teach others, so they motivate others, the game may be on a bad moment for you guys,but you aren't trying to redeem it neither, so, how are you supposed to change ANYTHING if you aren't even trying? Instead, you spend your time spamming forums with nostalgia and mentioning your problems while also taking on people, how COULD that change anything? So i simply suggest you to try to revive them, if you tried, do so again! You'll Win more with that than complaining.

Excuse me if i have bad grammar or typos, english is not my maternal languague. Hope you find a way to solve this!

Did you even read it?  

Posted by Jose Papp

Did you even read it?

Maybe if you understood that:

1. 1/8 of the tower population (1/8 is a generous fraction) is towering, which is ****ing awful.
   
2. Sparring is plagued with hackers/boosters and vpners/force laggers. Has no reward and is literally dead at this point.
   
3. PKing is the exact same, towers being dead basically means everybody PK's at mod or boosts off of noobs in 100/200 hour zones.
   
4. BKing is terribly boring and needs an incentive, pyrat is dead (was easy and quick way to gain gralats and bks) I understand castle has bounties but they're incredibly stupid (the box thing sucks)
   
5. Guild sparring is dead until gst even then its not the same as it once was, This activity is something that is sad to see being so dead and inactive.
   
6. Towering is basically the same as it was a year ago, (which is pretty much a huge **** up on fp4 and dustys part) removing rewards a YEAR before a new guild system is released is incredibly dumb, I don't see any reason to remove an incentive a YEAR before any sort of update to guilds is made.
   
7. 5 Guild Limit is ****ing stupid, I get it was for a reason but this killed guilds. I had to leave Apostles, WAR and Rampage just so I could do what I do with the current guilds.
   
   

If you really believe there is no ****ing issue with the current way guilds and reward incentives operate you obviously are extremely ignorant or a mini version of 4lom who believes their unneeded troll attempt is funny or even creative.

Lox, 4lom, reemas and yourself and anyone else who believes that spar and pk get any special treatment are stupid and should stop posting here.

4lom himself should of been banned from commenting inside any thread that relates to anything competitive like a year ago, this ******ed roleplaying kid actually thinks his bug museum means something. Take the L and stay inside burger refuge or advertising your code shop outside graal city!!


tldr; Stop acting like you have any idea what you're talking about.(lox, 4lom, reemas, this jose random) the "nostalgia" we are supposedly dwelling on is literally a direct result of a dysfunctional and terrible staff team and people like you who actually think their opinion holds any weight over the other people inside this thread.  

PKing, towering, sparring are dying and are not a fraction of what they used to be. This is a problem that needs to be fixed.

If you disagree with these sentences then just shut up, because you're either (I'll say it again):
new to graal
or
dumb

/thread  

Posted by Red

Maybe if you understood that:

1. 1/8 of the tower population (1/8 is a generous fraction) is towering, which is ****ing awful.
   
2. Sparring is plagued with hackers/boosters and vpners/force laggers. Has no reward and is literally dead at this point.
   
3. PKing is the exact same, towers being dead basically means everybody PK's at mod or boosts off of noobs in 100/200 hour zones.
   
4. BKing is terribly boring and needs an incentive, pyrat is dead (was easy and quick way to gain gralats and bks) I understand castle has bounties but they're incredibly stupid (the box thing sucks)
   
5. Guild sparring is dead until gst even then its not the same as it once was, This activity is something that is sad to see being so dead and inactive.
   
6. Towering is basically the same as it was a year ago, (which is pretty much a huge **** up on fp4 and dustys part) removing rewards a YEAR before a new guild system is released is incredibly dumb, I don't see any reason to remove an incentive a YEAR before any sort of update to guilds is made.
   
7. 5 Guild Limit is ****ing stupid, I get it was for a reason but this killed guilds. I had to leave Apostles, WAR and Rampage just so I could do what I do with the current guilds.
   
   

If you really believe there is no ****ing issue with the current way guilds and reward incentives operate you obviously are extremely ignorant or a mini version of 4lom who believes their unneeded troll attempt is funny or even creative.

Lox, 4lom, reemas and yourself and anyone else who believes that spar and pk get any special treatment are stupid and should stop posting here.

4lom himself should of been banned from commenting inside any thread that relates to anything competitive like a year ago, this ******ed roleplaying kid actually thinks his bug museum means something. Take the L and stay inside burger refuge or advertising your code shop outside graal city!!


tldr; Stop acting like you have any idea what you're talking about.(lox, 4lom, reemas, this jose Papp) the "nostalgia" we are supposedly dwelling on is literally a direct result of a dysfunctional and terrible staff team and people like you who actually think their opinion holds any weight over the other people inside this thread.

Insults aside, you just proved my point. Do you think we're stupid? We know the problems, in fact as 4-lom (who by the way is already an adult.) Has said, this thread was supposed to make solutions for the problem rather than becoming one of those worn out rant posts. It's ridiculous how you guys ditch every suggestion and say we do not matter just because we don't do those activities. The last i want to do is to argue, or to insult a whole group because of it's terrible representation at forums. You are all acting like the guy who claimed no one was worthy if that person wasn't a top sparrer. Just wanted to make solutions rather than getting sucked in your insult list. PD: i hate codeshops.  

Yet when we make a suggestion it's "it's unfair on everyone else"

I never said you didn't have an opinion but I did say your opinion holds less weight then somebody who frequently participates in these activities or is regarded as top tier in their field  

Posted by Red

Yet when we make a suggestion it's "it's unfair on everyone else"

I never said you didn't have an opinion but I did say your opinion holds less weight then somebody who frequently participates in these activities or is regarded as top tier in their field

What i wanted to say is, that those people who "hold weight" do not try to solve the problem, instead, they rant. And about the "unfair" part, depends, USA-CANADA room? That excludes many players, so it is unfair. But i hadn't seen any suggestions on this post, correct me if i'm wrong  

Posted by Jose Papp

instead of arguing with us, complaining or drowning in nostalgia, don't you make people come and play with you?

the game may be on a bad moment for you guys,but you aren't trying to redeem it neither, so, how are you supposed to change ANYTHING if you aren't even trying?

So i simply suggest you to try to revive them, if you tried, do so again! You'll Win more with that than complaining.

Ok firstly, you can't make anyone come and play with you. Large majority of player base in competitive play want incentives, and unfortunately, there are next to zero incentives right now in towering or pking other than "being with friends" who generally aren't going to be doing said activities with you due to the previously stated fact.

Secondly, how are the people who commented in this thread thus far not trying to change anything? Why do you think they even replied? It's called taking complaints so that issues are addressed by those who can do something about it.

And don't hit people up with the "move on to another game" excuse when people want this game to be fixed, not to delete it. For example, if one champ was incredibly overpowered on a game, who in their right mind would tell someone complaining about it to play a different game?  

Posted by Jose Papp

What i wanted to say is, that those people who "hold weight" do not try to solve the problem, instead, they rant.

how are they going to solve the problem when they don't have the power to do so? Ranting is an effective way to get the attention the developers who can solve the problem.

Posted by Jose Papp

But i hadn't seen any suggestions on this post, correct me if i'm wrong

Yes there were some suggestions on this post. One guy said they should have raised hat rewards to 3k hours. Pretty sure there were more but I can't be bothered to re-read the thread.  

Posted by Jose Papp

What i wanted to say is, that those people who "hold weight" do not try to solve the problem, instead, they rant. And about the "unfair" part, depends, USA-CANADA room? That excludes many players, so it is unfair. But i hadn't seen any suggestions on this post, correct me if i'm wrong

How can we solve problems with 2 dev's working on the server with limited tools and broken scripts.

No suggestions we post here are ever considered tbh

USA-CANADA thread?
anyone who spars and knows whats good for sparring disagrees with that.  

Then excuse me. But i didn't mention moving to another game, as of ranting, the forums are stuffed. I wanted to help, though i did not. Sorry  

Posted by LoX

if you're sick of how bad it's gotten, move on and find a different game that suits your needs, if not, quit complaining and move forward, not backwards.

Blatantly moving on doesn't solve the problem yes, that's why I suggested moving on or, stop complaining about how it used to be and suggest reasons that could improve how it was, talk to each other, not whine about people with less experience not being able to have an opinion  

Posted by LoX

Blatantly moving on doesn't solve the problem yes, that's why I suggested moving on or, stop complaining about how it used to be and suggest reasons that could improve how it was, talk to each other, not whine about people with less experience not being able to have an opinion

Read my posts dip****.  

Posted by LoX

Blatantly moving on doesn't solve the problem yes, that's why I suggested moving on or, stop complaining about how it used to be and suggest reasons that could improve how it was, talk to each other, not whine about people with less experience not being able to have an opinion

Just take the L man  

Posted by Raeven

Just take the L man

Oh no I have, regarding the "move on" post I made that was stupid, just pointing out that I didn't suggest moving on as the only way to go