Posted by optimuswhat

This has been stuck in my head for weeks.
I've been recently been thinking seriously thinking about making a GraalOnline game. This is my first time trying... So please suggest in any appropriate manner.
--BACKSTORY-- (May be improved on.)
The game is based in a town that is named Noziden.
Recently, a radioactive gas leaked into the city, killing thousands of humans and animals.
Nearly ten years later (2086) a portion of the city has been cleared of radiation.
The survivors have been hiding in a dock out in the ocean. Civilization has been rebuilt partially there with very little culture of an earlier civilization.
With a portion of radiation gone from the city, the leader of the docks, (Name being decided) has sent out people to collect supplies and culture.
While they search, they find some... Demonic things, lurking the town...

-FEATURES-- (Being decided on still, may be more)
-Droppable items and Rares!
-Events hosted by "characters" and news hosted by a wise man. (Obviously role play.)
-A variety of mutant monsters that attack you, each with different speed, health, and damage.
-"Characters" of the apocalypse will have a personality and are controlled by admins.
-Guns that are based of real guns and guns that don't exist.
-A story that is hidden through notes.
-A way to earn money similar to Era, and (MAYBE) a way to trade money.
-Extremely rare mutant bosses.
-Nuclear weapons that are auctioned, but extremely rare to come across.

[and more]

I'll be bluntly honest, none of your ideas are very specific. They're so vague that it's just the sort of thing you come up with and never develop past it. "A way to earn money" isn't an idea. It's the lowest level concept there is. What ways to make money? How much money? Hell, what KIND of money? "A story hidden through notes." Again, what story? Instead of saying a story hidden in notes, have the actual story as an idea. At least some of the backstory should be developed.

I mean, these are the sort of ideas that people pitch all the time(for example you see them in iClassic's feedback every day)... but they're useless. "More ways to make money!" isn't an idea, it isn't useful. It's pretty obvious that jobs and such would be done, what is useful and needed is the specific. What kind of jobs, balancing factors and so on. These are the sort of ideas and details you need to be willing to organize before development. You'll benefit in the long run when you're not changing things every day and setting back development because you had a new idea for the vague idea an want thing different.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade or anything... but you'll benefit way more if you sit down and plan as much detail, down to the very specifics, beforehand. As much as possible. Anyone could have written the list of ideas you had in a couple of minutes. Can you turn it into something unique that they couldn't?  

Posted by Dusty

Again, what story? Instead of saying a story hidden in notes, have the actual story as an idea. At least some of the backstory should be developed.

Read my post on this thread, post #14

EDIT: A story hidden in notes simply means that rather than creating some fun little NPC cutscene, we'd have notes you unlock by beating Paco's missions which explain how the GeneTech Accident occurred  

You're in charge, but you are only in charge of ideas and storyline theme? As the person incharge (manager), you need to be able to do everything. If you look at any of the successful ios servers, their managers are the foundations of the game. They can do everything, so when the staff below them have a problem, the manager can come to the rescue. As manager, I personally suggest working your way up before starting your own playerworld. Make sure you have a mild skill level in each catergory. For example, I'm the levels head on Haven. Even though I'm the head of the levels team, I still ask 99% for a review on everything I make. I also have asked him multiple things about scripts, about tilesets, about much more. Each time he has had an answer, that's what you need to be a manager. You need to have knowledge and understanding in each field of staff that you are hiring.  

He does a bit of graphics. And by the way, if you thought I was the manager because of Opt's comment on the hiring thread, I'm not, I'm simply a helper to an idea.  

Posted by Kyle Kol

He does a bit of graphics. And by the way, if you thought I was the manager because of Opt's comment on the hiring thread, I'm not, I'm simply a helper to an idea.

I thought he was manager.  

Posted by Hayze

I thought he was manager.

Oh good. You didn't think it was me after all  

Posted by Hayze

I thought he was manager.

Sorry, I guess we kinda need a manager too.

Sorry for troubles.
And thank you for bringing this up.  

Posted by optimuswhat

Sorry, I guess we kinda need a manager too.

Sorry for troubles.
And thank you for bringing this up.

Yeah, no problem. I hope your server has great success. I'm just bringing up what I believe you guys need.  

A Manager is technically not even supposed to get his hands into development. Just know that a proper Manager is one whom has great organizational and planning skills. To keep his team organized, to know exactly what direction every aspect of development should be heading towards, and to maintain that momentum throughout.

It's the Dev Admin that needs to honestly have the full general experience all around of actual developing skills. Nonetheless both roles are very important.

tl;dr A great developer does not necessarily make a good Manager.  

Interesting....  

Hmm. This is just a suggestion, but when I was planning out the concepts and basic outline for my server (also post-apocalyptic themed), I was basically translating the popular Fall-Out game series into a more Graal compatible platform.

However, it soon dawned on me, that if I just turned Fall-Out into Graal Fall-Out, it wouldn’t go far. Players would be interested for a week maybe, but then get bored. For Fall-Out isn’t that easy to mold into the general Graal Structure.

This being said, I recommend you do as I did, and strip down the Fall-Out concept to the bare basics, and then start welding in more familiar and Graal friendly elements. It will seem like you’re going off-course, but it all works out in the end.  

Posted by TheRookie

A Manager is technically not even supposed to get his hands into development. Just know that a proper Manager is one whom has great organizational and planning skills. To keep his team organized, to know exactly what direction every aspect of development should be heading towards, and to maintain that momentum throughout.

It's the Dev Admin that needs to honestly have the full general experience all around of actual developing skills. Nonetheless both roles are very important.

tl;dr A great developer does not necessarily make a good Manager.

I disagree with this in so many different ways. Only part your correct on is "A great developer does not necessarily make a good Manager", because some developers suck at managing. However I think most if not all Managers that new nothing about development worked for flopped projects. The best person that can see your own visions is your self. Its very hard to past your ideas on to someone else for development because In my own experience it never comes out the way you intended. A Great manager is someone that can lead the team and put as much effort into the development as anyone else. Look at Novo from Delteria for a example, Look at Yen/Jerret from zodiac. All successful projects had a manager that could both lead and develop. I wouldn't want to work for Manager that just pointed his fingers and say "Get that done", I would tell him to get off his ass and do it himself.  

Posted by 99%

Hmm. This is just a suggestion, but when I was planning out the concepts and basic outline for my server (also post-apocalyptic themed), I was basically translating the popular Fall-Out game series into a more Graal compatible platform.

However, it soon dawned on me, that if I just turned Fall-Out into Graal Fall-Out, it wouldn’t go far. Players would be interested for a week maybe, but then get bored. For Fall-Out isn’t that easy to mold into the general Graal Structure.

This being said, I recommend you do as I did, and strip down the Fall-Out concept to the bare basics, and then start welding in more familiar and Graal friendly elements. It will seem like you’re going off-course, but it all works out in the end.

My original plan had to have far more work that would be impossible and overall too. I stripped it down by a lot though.
But this is a very important thing to do in making a Graal game when inspired.
Thank you.  

I like this graal fallout idea it sounds cool.  

Posted by 99%

Hmm. This is just a suggestion, but when I was planning out the concepts and basic outline for my server (also post-apocalyptic themed), I was basically translating the popular Fall-Out game series into a more Graal compatible platform.

However, it soon dawned on me, that if I just turned Fall-Out into Graal Fall-Out, it wouldn’t go far. Players would be interested for a week maybe, but then get bored. For Fall-Out isn’t that easy to mold into the general Graal Structure.

This being said, I recommend you do as I did, and strip down the Fall-Out concept to the bare basics, and then start welding in more familiar and Graal friendly elements. It will seem like you’re going off-course, but it all works out in the end.

I wasn't translating Fall-Out into graal. I simply took the story Opt started and extended it. I've never played/watched/looked at the game Fall-Out in my life.

Posted by MysticalDragon

Its very hard to past your ideas on to someone else for development because In my own experience it never comes out the way you intended.