Posted by LoX

@Agonee, I want to get your opinion on this, why is it that the "noobs" you are talking about that are "finally able to take towers" are taking towers, and the "pros" you talk about who "know how to tower" don't anymore, what makes it any less comptetive (apart from lack of players in towers) is it because theres no rewards? and why do the "noobs" keep towering even after the guild system changes while the pros have seemingly come to graalians to share their 2 cents,

It's odd to me that you say they are noobs when, to me at least, it seems they have more fun towering for the sake of towering without getting a reward, whereas most "pros" dont't find it fun because there's no physical item (in game sense) to be rewarded with (at most thats what i assume, not that everyone jumped and left instantly but it very well slowed down after time)

If possible, please don't respond with "hardly anyone does it anymore it's not what it used to be, it's too easy anyone could do it"

Thanks.

Do you play other video games? Do you participate in any competitive activity, on or offline? I'm trying to get a feel for why it's so difficult for you to comprehend why incentive is important in bringing the highest level of activity and competition to games.

What's your best guess for why competitive game modes, in basically every single online game, are more popular than casual game modes? This argument really confuses me because it seems like you guys actually want to prevent competition from happening… Why is that?

You guys come across as very bitter, bad players. I don't know how else to read this. It looks like a bunch of bad players who don't want to see good players enjoying parts of the game that were designed for them. I'm sure you're going to take offense to that, but that's how I'm interpreting this. It's unusual because these "competitive players" are rarely here on forums trolling the threads where casual updates are rolled out, like the new houses, Castle, etc. The last competitive game update was, what? The new leaderboards in 2014? And that update, as suggested by me, made the leaderboards more casual than competitive just to cater to these people.

I don't see what's so crazy about people asking for something that was promised to them, especially considering the shape of sparring, PKing, and towering.  

Thanks for jumping the gun thallen, I asked him why the people he says are "noobs" are towering still even after rewards, and if you had read what I said, I literally said "what makes it any less competitive... is it because there are no rewards?" I think that made it pretty clear that I knew that incentive is important, thanks for skimming over that!

I was asking him, what makes them "noobs" because they are towering without an incentive and significantly less people to tower against. I didn't focus on the rewards at all, just that short point i quoted before, my main focus was, what makes them noobs just because they are towering now rather than 15vs15v15v15 towering that had multiples guilds attacking forts? They tower now because they can tower, and they do.

In regards to that large edit you made, I'm not here to be bitter, nor prevent competition, I'm here to talk about a game that everyone on this forum plays and share their thoughts and opinions, this is a fan made forum, things on this page can influence the game, but ultimately it is fan made, which people can use to share opinions, so that's what I do.

On a side note (take this as bitter if you will I honestly don't care) This might just be me but do you ever make a post that doesn't sound conceited in one way or another, "as suggested by me" as well as "difficult for you to comprehend" the one phrase that as far as I can tell you throw around wherever you can.

Now that, THAT was bitter.  

Posted by LoX

This might just be me but do you ever make a post that doesn't sound conceited in one way or another, "as suggested by me" as well as "difficult for you to comprehend" the one phrase that as far as I can tell you throw around wherever you can.

I specifically mention that it was suggestion of mine to stress the fact that, contrary to the beliefs of the bug catchers and roleplayers on these forums, there are competitive players who are able to make suggestions that benefit others and do what's best for the game overall

The fact that you're begging Agonee to explain to you why the people currently towering aren't the highest quality of players just shows that you don't understand the issue at all  

"Originally Posted by LoX
@Agonee, I want to get your opinion on this"

Blimey, if that isn't the most high quality begging I don't know what is.

I never asked him to explain why the people "aren't top quality" the fact that you say it's an issue that people who aren't top quality players are towering shows just how conceited you really are.

Now, you must be referring to a previous post that is not one of the 2 posts you replied to me with, because no where in any of it did you "stress" anything about competitive players suggesting ideas that can improve the game, all you said was that the bug catchers and roleplayers you referred to as "bad players" are trying to ruin the game for the "good players"

I love the addition of the "you'll probably take offence to that" ;)  

Please don't ask several times even tho the questions got awnsered often enough, there's no point to explain something to someone if the certain person isn't open to change their mind.

Rewards is a huge part of motivation. That's sad? That's how it works, thats how most of us "competetive players" are, you don't get any reward for towering right now.
Can't talk for every player on this but do you think anyone would try that hard to win an eSports Event that first gave you $100,000 & now not even a cent?
No, Obviously not, the competitive aspect of the game would die and only the people that missed the competetive part/never felt it will still try to win an tournament.  

Yes but what generally makes them noobs just for towering? I say that in the sense that you said "noobs" that tower now, and the "pros that made towering competitive" I'm not asking about rewards because that's obvious, you do something and get a reward so you want to do it again and again for more rewards. That answers that. I am not asking about getting rewards I'm asking about generally referring to people that tower now as noobs and the "old-school" towerers that are the "pros"  

Didn't thought that anyone on the forums would get that triggered cause I call people noobs, there are noobs(newbies) cause they don't know how hard towering could be/used to be and think that they're the best in the game now(since they are newbies)  

I'm super triggered because you generally called a bunch of people I don't know noobs Absolutely.

You should group up D19 and give them a taste of the old towering ways!  

Sounds like the "Competitive" players in this thread are sad that they don't get hats now, and are forced to go out into the rest of the game world and find other things to do than kill each other in one or two rooms to make any cash to get hats like the rest of us plebs...  

Posted by Reemas

Can't say I don't agree with you in some points but there is still competition on Graal just not the way you're used too. There is still the competitive aspect of wanting to get the upper hand on another player. The higher ground (Star Wars reference). That is a reward in itself.

I don't agree. There was something done in place, the pure gratification of beating someone.

theres no more competition lmao are you blind? All people you see are doing it out of BOREDOM. Pking is dead , Sparring is dead and some towers you see is held by noob guilds. I dont think thats competition.


Idk why people who dont tower,spar or pk always come here and say "its fine" but its not. I pked for 3 months straight and its been dead af . It used to be packed in mod or in towers back in the days.. This isnt about the hat rewards at all. I never hatchased 1k guilds unlike Agonee but right now it feels like its a ghost town. People who focus on socializing,bug catching or doing casual stuff isnt affected and wont even feel the emptiness of the competition right now. I joined some of these "newb guilds" that are towering and some of them arent even aware that rewards are gone..  

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The people posting in this thread such as david, thallen, agonee, zorma, bryan, mikva and myself all participated in sparring, towering and guild sparring ACTIVELY prior to incentives being removed.

If top tier players refusing to play the game as whole because of this main reason (and the guild system being incredibly slow) then there is a huge issue.

Look at these people, past towerers, sparrers and bkers who refuse to touch graal because the incentive just isn't there, its incredibly dumb how many people this has driven away.

(or they've grown bored of the lack of content)

I'm well aware not all of these are great examples.

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4-lom, reemas, and lox, you guys need to sit down for a while and think. youre literally arguing against betterment of the game  

Let me clarify from the few posts I've made on here, only once did I share my opinion on the state of the towering community, in that I agreed that the towering/community is dying, because it is, plain and clear.

Plus, thanks for sharing our stats Red! Because having the ability to talk about towering only comes with PK experience, even though towering at its core is quite basic. If I were sharing my opinion on the state of GST by all means have a go at me and say my opinion has no value, because it wouldn't as I've never been in it, but if having 9k pks suddenly makes me lack knowledge and have no value in regards to towering then hot damn, I'll shut right up.

Posted by Basi

4-lom, reemas, and lox, you guys need to sit down for a while and think. youre literally arguing against betterment of the game

Just adding, that my first point I made literally clarifies that, for me at least, I never said anything about arguing against any of that, I argued against points that individuals made yes, but as a whole no I didn't  

I don't think it was meant to be mean, just to clarify that you don't have as much towering expierence than others, I think if he could he'd have posted your 1K hats to show off how many 1ks you done/deserved.  

Posted by Agonee

I don't think it was meant to be mean, just to clarify that you don't have as much towering expierence than others, I think if he could he'd have posted your 1K hats to show off how many 1ks you done/deserved.

Oh absolutely, I was in 2 1k guilds and have 0 hats to show for either of them, so for sure.

It was more aimed at the bold

Posted by Red

Interesting how these ******s are talking about graals competitive aspects:

Really, I'm just trying to clear up as much as possible, in that I wasn't disagreeing with anyone, I wasn't really even responding to the topic as a whole, just individual comments made about it. That's all, I don't think I made that as clear on my end however