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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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It's just annoying because the narrative throughout the film was so ****, and just didn't feel like starwars, but because it's a movie it's now canon, and what everything that comes after will have to relate back to.
The prequel trilogy starwars movies had bad dialogue yes, but the story itself that the film was trying to convey was actually good. The look of the film, atmosphere and action were starwars. This film, just doesn't seem like it at all. Replace the lightsabers with normal swords and it could pass as a disney influenced star-trek EPISODE, not even a film.
As many people have said, the story of TLJ is as if the director looked at all the fan theories of what they thought was set up in TFA, and decided to completely go against it just to suprise fans. I'm happy the direction the film went was original, and not just a rehash as TFA was, but it's ultimately such a missed opportunity because of the way they went about it, despite having potential in some aspects it began to explore.
It's like they wanted to take risks, but at the same time they wanted to play it safe. So they would do something unexpected, that you're exited for, but then completely wrap it up and definitively end that narrative.
RIP, not exactly exited for the next one with the set up. Feel bad for JJ directing it, because all the set up he did in the first film was completely disregarded so now he'll have to pick up the limited pieces left by Ryan Johnson.
If this film wasn't a STARWAR's film, I wouldn't have minded. It wasn't a good film but it was enjoyable to watch. The Starwars attachment to the film is what's causing the issues as this is what will be looked back on, and have to be carried forward unless JJ pulls a Ryan Johnson and disregards his script like Ryan did to his film.
I've been a starwas fan since I saw TPM in theater, and I loved TLJ. I think a lot of the **** starwars fans complain about today is ridiculous and that if the OT was held to the same standard people hold the new films to it would've gotten torn apart.
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because it just makes no ****ing sense what so ever. In all the previous 7 starwars films, all the canon tv episodes, everything, what Luke did has never been done before, or even thought to be possible. Why would they introduce that in this film, just for the spectacle of him to have the illusion of being there for 5 minutes, to then just die.
If he was ready to die, why didn't he just go there in person, actually fight and then die. Let him go off in glory by taking down the whole army, fighting Kylo, then letting him kill him just so that he becomes a martyr for the rest of the 'resistance' who didn't even bother coming. Instead, nobody even knows he's actually dead in the film besides Leia/ Rey. If you're going to kill him, then kill him. Don't go "oh he's dead, wait nevermind he's not dead he tricked everyone, wait no he's actually dead." so stupid. Did the same **** with Leia but it would have made sense for that to be her death.
Look i'll give one example that would of improved the film. They wanted to show Leia has force powers, so when the missiles get shot at the bridge, Leia senses the missiles, uses her force powers to push everyone out of the bridge and close the door, dies a hero and shows the audience she had the force. Would have even meant Admiral Akbar would have survived, who could have then became the 2nd in command and been the one to crash the ship which would have been a good ending for his character. As opposed to become ****ing super man, die and comeback to life, fly back to the ship and be rescued and have NOBODY WHO SAW IT even question how TF she just did that, and act as if she uses the force all the time around them. Just another example of good setup, **** choice of execution and following through.
The only explanation that makes even remote sense for why they decided to do that whole illusion bull**** was because they want to show it's something that's possible in the starwars universe, so in the next film when someone like Snoke is still alive as his death was just an illusion like Lukes was, then there's an explanation for it as it had happened in TLJ.
I mean think of how stupid Lukes illusion death was. Before he dies, he gives Leia Han Solo's dice as a momento. But it's actually a hologram so as soon as he died it just dissapears because it wasn't even real. "Here Leia, keep this to remember Han, oh wait nevermind i'm dead now, you just got bamboozled"
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