I didn't say all they do is justified, and you don't have to talk to me. You chimed in. I'm simply saying there's a more comprehensive way of looking at things, and frankly they use torture because of how powerless they are. If we were a very poor nation and another country started blackmailing us, we'd band up and use torture to scare them away too. Those who didn't protect the nation would be considered treasonous. Now since you cannot have a discussion without trying to speak for my opinions, it is best you move on. I am describing reality and their viewpoint and strategies, not giving you opinions