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Thallen · 02-13-2013

I am a little shocked that a few of you continue to claim that I am not responding to points in this thread when I've probably pounded out 300,000 keystrokes that continue to be disregarded and ignored. So, I'll summarize the argument in some Q&A format.

Person: PC players have an advantage in spars!
Thallen: I won't ask you to prove your point because I agree with the opinion. It is also my opinion that it is easier to spar on PC than on an iDevice.

Person: It is not fair that PC players get to spar against iDevice users!
Thallen: Yes it is, because the fairness equation is there. You have the option of choosing your device, and so do I. You choose to use iDevice, and I choose to use PC.

Person: PC players' movement speed is inherently faster than iDevice players!
Thallen: No, it is not. This is not a fact, so please stop saying it. There is a cap on your speed for both devices. If you move slower than the cap, it is because your PC or iDevice has horrible specs, and that'd be your own fault.

Person: PC players walk through hits!
Thallen: You simply do not understand mechanics that you must deal with when sparring, such as horrible lag and delay. It'd also help if you understood the difference between clientside and serverside hit detection. iDevice users seem to make up the majority of the lagger community, by the way. I'm using ethernet while you're using 3G or spotty WiFi.

Person: PC players can hack easier!
Thallen: Both devices are vulnerable in this way. If your opinion is that it is easier to hack on PC than on iDevice, then I agree. Nonetheless, the possibility exists for both. In the sparring community today, I've only ever suspected two or three people of hacking in spars. I think that they use speed, but it has never bothered me because they are not good enough or active enough to make an impact. I don't exactly feel threatened by a 3% increase in speed. If you want to help prevent this problem, please plead with iClassic administrators to make better detection. I'd love to see it as well. It is not logical to criminalize an entire platform of players because you saw someone speed hacking in a spar one day.

Person: Hundreds of people use the iDevice while only a few use the PC! This is unfair!
Thallen: No, it isn't. Both have the option of using PC.

Person: I use iDevice because I want it to spar fairly against other players!
Thallen: Please realize that you are making up your own set of rules for the game. That is what losers do. Please think like a winner. Once again, the game gives you a choice. You cannot dictate what I choose, and I cannot dictate what you choose.

Person: The fact that there is an iDevice room proves that it is unfair!
Thallen: No, it does not. It only proves that there are stubborn players who have complained to the point where iClassic administrators have found it beneficial to create a room just for that group of players.

Person: I don't have a PC!
Thallen: I'm sorry, but that is not my fault at all and I won't allow it to change how I play the game.

Person: iClassic is for iDevice users!
Thallen: No, it isn't. The game allows you to play by Facebook. You cannot make up rules for the game. The game makes the rules.

Person: How come you won't spar me on an iDevice?
Thallen: Again, because the game gives you a choice. Let us assume that I did spar you on an iDevice and you beat me. What was proven? Well, you've proven that you were better than me in a spar on the iDevice platform. You haven't proven that you are a better sparrer or a more "fair" sparrer. If you want to prove yourself as the better sparrer, you will go on the device you play the best on and I will do the exact same. Why are you the only side that gets a choice in this argument?

Person: The only reason you're better than me is because you're using a PC!
Thallen: Well, that's false. At this point, you're just making excuses because you're unable to accept your own failures. If it was true, why not use a PC?

Have I missed anything? Does anyone have any new breakthrough that they'd care to share? All that I'm doing is repeating the same exact things that I've said time and time again. You guys have introduced nothing new to the argument in the past five pages. Ask me a question, any question regarding your inability to accept the "fairness" of sparring on iClassic and I promise that I will answer it. I bet I can even quote something I've said in one of my former posts that have already answered it.

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Thallen Enguard & Alumni Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 5,773	I am a little shocked that a few of you continue to claim that I am not responding to points in this thread when I've probably pounded out 300,000 keystrokes that continue to be disregarded and ignored. So, I'll summarize the argument in some Q&A format. Person: PC players have an advantage in spars! Thallen: I won't ask you to prove your point because I agree with the opinion. It is also my opinion that it is easier to spar on PC than on an iDevice. Person: It is not fair that PC players get to spar against iDevice users! Thallen: Yes it is, because the fairness equation is there. You have the option of choosing your device, and so do I. You choose to use iDevice, and I choose to use PC. Person: PC players' movement speed is inherently faster than iDevice players! Thallen: No, it is not. This is not a fact, so please stop saying it. There is a cap on your speed for both devices. If you move slower than the cap, it is because your PC or iDevice has horrible specs, and that'd be your own fault. Person: PC players walk through hits! Thallen: You simply do not understand mechanics that you must deal with when sparring, such as horrible lag and delay. It'd also help if you understood the difference between clientside and serverside hit detection. iDevice users seem to make up the majority of the lagger community, by the way. I'm using ethernet while you're using 3G or spotty WiFi. Person: PC players can hack easier! Thallen: Both devices are vulnerable in this way. If your opinion is that it is easier to hack on PC than on iDevice, then I agree. Nonetheless, the possibility exists for both. In the sparring community today, I've only ever suspected two or three people of hacking in spars. I think that they use speed, but it has never bothered me because they are not good enough or active enough to make an impact. I don't exactly feel threatened by a 3% increase in speed. If you want to help prevent this problem, please plead with iClassic administrators to make better detection. I'd love to see it as well. It is not logical to criminalize an entire platform of players because you saw someone speed hacking in a spar one day. Person: Hundreds of people use the iDevice while only a few use the PC! This is unfair! Thallen: No, it isn't. Both have the option of using PC. Person: I use iDevice because I want it to spar fairly against other players! Thallen: Please realize that you are making up your own set of rules for the game. That is what losers do. Please think like a winner. Once again, the game gives you a choice. You cannot dictate what I choose, and I cannot dictate what you choose. Person: The fact that there is an iDevice room proves that it is unfair! Thallen: No, it does not. It only proves that there are stubborn players who have complained to the point where iClassic administrators have found it beneficial to create a room just for that group of players. Person: I don't have a PC! Thallen: I'm sorry, but that is not my fault at all and I won't allow it to change how I play the game. Person: iClassic is for iDevice users! Thallen: No, it isn't. The game allows you to play by Facebook. You cannot make up rules for the game. The game makes the rules. Person: How come you won't spar me on an iDevice? Thallen: Again, because the game gives you a choice. Let us assume that I did spar you on an iDevice and you beat me. What was proven? Well, you've proven that you were better than me in a spar on the iDevice platform. You haven't proven that you are a better sparrer or a more "fair" sparrer. If you want to prove yourself as the better sparrer, you will go on the device you play the best on and I will do the exact same. Why are you the only side that gets a choice in this argument? Person: The only reason you're better than me is because you're using a PC! Thallen: Well, that's false. At this point, you're just making excuses because you're unable to accept your own failures. If it was true, why not use a PC? Have I missed anything? Does anyone have any new breakthrough that they'd care to share? All that I'm doing is repeating the same exact things that I've said time and time again. You guys have introduced nothing new to the argument in the past five pages. Ask me a question, any question regarding your inability to accept the "fairness" of sparring on iClassic and I promise that I will answer it. I bet I can even quote something I've said in one of my former posts that have already answered it.