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Higbey 07-07-2012 01:55 AM

I've seen it so many times now.
"we aren't allowed." "i cant do that" "(upper staff member) wont let us"

i hate seeing this, you can do this stuff, you can, you can tell your upper staff members your opinion, you can go against them, you can do the right thing. its no excuse that someone "above" you wont "allow" you. i think some of you people need to realize that sometimes following orders isn't the right thing to do.

you have your opinion, you have the power, you need to realize you can give a bigger push than you think. you can put your foot down, even to someone like Stefan. if they fire you for it, they lose out on a good staff member, and then they are in the wrong, and you can let everyone know it.

every time you say that you aren't allowed to or are told not to do something, you are simply saying that you don't want to do it. I'm tired of people acting like they are powerless. you can do a lot more than you think if you force it. stop being cowards. a superior that fires someone for showing their opinion and doing what is right is someone not fit to be a superior.

don't say its not how real life works, I've argued with my boss into letting a hawk "escape" because its enclosure was so small and it wasn't having a life worth living, when he denied i went out there and let that hawk free. i went back in and told them, and they came out and said that i did the right thing, and that i obviously care enough about the animals well fare, and that as long as i didn't release any more animals he wouldn't take any action.

that hawk now has a better life. i still have my job. i could have just not spoken up, i could have not released it. i could have lied and said it escaped one day. but i didn't.

you guys don't seem to understand what you can get away with.

if its what players need, what players want, what the right thing to do is, and its perfectly understandable and good, then you do it. i understand its not worth getting in trouble for in all the occasions, but you aren't powerless. take it from a player. take it from a person who has been in positions before. do whats right. not what one overly controlling person in charge wants.

Dare to do whats right. don't just be a opinion-less minion. who is with me?!

p.s. man i missed writing these.

Ace 07-07-2012 01:57 AM

agree



GraalEra Staff [email protected]

Jul 1 (5 days ago)


to me

Hello,



You're correct, I'm a PRA, but the managers have a higher say in the situation. I had banned ****** for account theft and illegally merging his friend's accounts into his, as well as tricking a PR to transfer accounts that he does not own to his account. He had also been resetted. Unfortunately, the rules changed and I was asked to no longer deal with account thefts etc. So he was unbanned and restored. I understand the frustration, it is what it is.




Regards,




***** (Player Relations Admin)

Edit: I don't like posting emails but this is for your own good

iHot 07-07-2012 02:13 AM

Quote:

Posted by Ace (Post 156279)
agree



GraalEra Staff [email protected]

Jul 1 (5 days ago)


to me

Hello,



You're correct, I'm a PRA, but the managers have a higher say in the situation. I had banned ****** for account theft and illegally merging his friend's accounts into his, as well as tricking a PR to transfer accounts that he does not own to his account. He had also been resetted. Unfortunately, the rules changed and I was asked to no longer deal with account thefts etc. So he was unbanned and restored. I understand the frustration, it is what it is.




Regards,




Street (Player Relations Admin)

Was that street?
AGREE!

Tyler 07-07-2012 02:18 AM

Agreed, just don't make a statement against your boss publicly like on a forum site for the game when it could just be done privately. A lesson I learned with my short position.

Higbey 07-07-2012 02:19 AM

Quote:

Posted by Ace (Post 156279)
agree



GraalEra Staff [email protected]

Jul 1 (5 days ago)


to me

Hello,



You're correct, I'm a PRA, but the managers have a higher say in the situation. I had banned ****** for account theft and illegally merging his friend's accounts into his, as well as tricking a PR to transfer accounts that he does not own to his account. He had also been resetted. Unfortunately, the rules changed and I was asked to no longer deal with account thefts etc. So he was unbanned and restored. I understand the frustration, it is what it is.




Regards,




***** (Player Relations Admin)

its not a matter of whats worth fighting for, its a matter of bravery.

Ace 07-07-2012 02:20 AM

Quote:

Posted by iHot (Post 156292)
Was that street?
AGREE!

no it wasn't

iHot 07-07-2012 02:29 AM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 156298)
its not a matter of whats worth fighting for, its a matter of bravery.

Remember the lower the prices riot :love:

Pimpsy G. 07-07-2012 02:38 AM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 156273)
I've seen it so many times now.
"we aren't allowed." "i cant do that" "(upper staff member) wont let us"

don't say its not how real life works, I've argued with my boss into letting a hawk "escape" because its enclosure was so small and it wasn't having a life worth living, .

Yeah, but later on in real life when you are providing for a family or someone else, it is a little different. On second thought, it is morally wrong to allow scammers get away with what they are doing in iera. I will start a revolution and ban all the scammers even though banning them will just start controversy on who really scammed since there isn't necessarily a concrete way to prove anything besides word of mouth! In other words: There isn't a fine line to what is right in the world. Its all relative to your perspective, so saying you need to follow your gut (ban scammers) may necessarily not be the "Right" movie for the server and its people.

Ph8 07-07-2012 02:46 AM

Disagree, this is really dumb, running a staff team where everyone just made whatever decision they determined was best using their own moral compass would be a huge mess for so many obvious reasons.

Higbey 07-07-2012 02:52 AM

Quote:

Posted by Ph8 (Post 156327)
Disagree, this is really dumb, running a staff team where everyone just made whatever decision they determined was best using their own moral compass would be a huge mess for so many obvious reasons.

thats not what im saying, im saying within reason, only important things, this goes the same to pimpsy, like what snk should do in the trading position, stefan wouldnt dare fire snk for that.

im not saying do what you want and just dont care about orders, im saying just dont act like they are concrete and know that when its really whats right you do it,

Talon 07-07-2012 02:54 AM

Higbey is the most liberal person I've seen on these forums.

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- Very interesting thread, I'll put in my 2 cents whenever I feel appropriate.

Higbey 07-07-2012 02:59 AM

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Posted by Talon (Post 156333)
Higbey is the most liberal person I've seen on these forums.

i dont believe in any of the parties as they are all run by filthy rotten politicians, its picking the lesser of two scum parties to run our country, although i would support green and liberal more than some, i support pure democracy with media unable to be involved in politics, as its possible with our technology, not like that will happen without a overthrowing of the government,

but thats offtopic so pay no attention

PoeticFolly 07-07-2012 03:09 AM

Where's the "I don't really care" option?

PerfectDark 07-07-2012 03:20 AM

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Posted by PoeticFolly (Post 156350)
Where's the "I don't really care" option?

You must have some kind of opinion on this issue? Mine is that I like a staff member who has a 'backbone', and whom shares his/her opinion on a subject in a mature manner without fear of prosecution.

Ph8 07-07-2012 03:31 AM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 156330)
im saying within reason, only important things

And who exactly is to judge what is important and reasonable and what isn't? I would assume the person making the decision. Which in that case would mean that what I said before is exactly what you are saying.

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Posted by Higbey (Post 156330)
im not saying do what you want and just dont care about orders, im saying just dont act like they are concrete and know that when its really whats right you do it,

Let's say two staff members of equal rank really think they know whats right to about a situation. For simplicity, two GPs, one thinks a guy should be banned and one doesn't. According to what you are saying they one should go on banning and and the other should keep unbanning the guy over and over again because they both think its really important and they both "know" that they're right, and screw what anyone else might say. I've actually seen a miniature version of this actually happen on UN, but fortunately since we have staff hierarchies there, the GP Chief was able to step in and take control of the situation.

If you are being told as a staff member to do something that is absolutely against everything you stand for, then sure, its probably time to fight it or quit. This doesn't mean that every time you have a slight disagreement over the way something is done you should just say screw it and do what you want. That would be a huge, huge mess.


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