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Eugeen 02-27-2017 12:38 PM

CERN has disproven ghosts/spirits?
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...-a7598026.html

In case you want to read it here:
Spoiler
Ghosts definitely aren't real because the biggest science experiment in the world would have found them by now, according to Brian Cox.

People have wondered for perhaps as long as life itself whether people's spirits can live on in the world once their body dies. But the TV professor says that they definitely don't, since CERN's Large Hadron Collider (LHC) would have stumbled across one.

The LHC is the biggest particle accelerator ever built. It is includes a huge ring of superconducting magnets and accelerators that fling particles around, sending them into each other at such speed that they can be used to understand some of the most fundamental properties of the universe. In doing so, scientists can find out how elementary particles interact and behave, and understand how they work to compose the world that we see around us.

The project has seen a number of things, identifying how particles decay and picking up hints that there could be new and unknown particles. But it hasn't yet found even a sliver of proof that there is anything that could make up a ghost.

If ghosts existed, then they would need to be made purely of energy, since by their very definition they can't be made of matter. But if they were made only of energy, they would quickly dissipate, because the second law of thermodynamics proposes that energy is always lost to heat.

The only way that they would be able to avoid that would be to have an incoming source of their own spooky energy. But there is nothing to account for that in the standard model of physics or anything we've seen in the particle accelerator.

"If we want some sort of pattern that carries information about our living cells to persist then we must specify precisely what medium carries that pattern and how it interacts with the matter particles out of which our bodies are made," he said in a special edition of his podcast The Infinite Monkey Cage that focused on the paranormal. "We must, in other words, invent an extension to the Standard Model of Particle Physics that has escaped detection at the Large Hadron Collider. That’s almost inconceivable at the energy scales typical of the particle interactions in our bodies."

Guest Neil deGrasse Tyson checked whether Professor Cox was really claiming that the particle accelerator had actually disproved the existence of supernatural spirits.

“If I understand what you just declared, you just asserted that CERN, the European Center for Nuclear Research, disproved the existence of ghosts,” he asked. "Yes," replied Professor Cox.


A bit about CERN:
CERN is a research company that has a machine called the Large Hadron Collider(LHC), this machine is the biggest particle accelerator ever built.
This machine can simply said shoot particles at eachother at really high speeds which can be used to understand the fundemental properties of the universe.

Summary of the interview:
So in an interview they've stated that ghosts are made up purely from energy because per definition they can't be made of matter.
The energy would dissapear fast though since energy is always lost to heat.
The only way a ghost could keep existing is to have an income of consistant energy yet there is nothing to account for that in normal physics and they haven't seen anything like that during all the research they've done.

“If I understand what you just declared, you just asserted that CERN, the European Center for Nuclear Research, disproved the existence of ghosts,” he asked. "Yes," replied Professor Cox.





Extra
So if they have proven that ghosts aren't real then that would also imply we are nothing after dying (since our spirit that supposedly moves on is non-existent).
So does this imply any aspect regarding the "after life" is non-existent? Has this disproven most of the ideals in religions?

I personally don't believe in ghosts anyways but I still find this interesting enough to talk about especially because this impacts religion directly which usually stirrs up quite a discussion

PigParty 02-27-2017 12:49 PM

Idk about you but my religion doesn't believe that my spirit wanders the earth after I die

Eugeen 02-27-2017 05:19 PM

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Posted by PigParty (Post 768013)
Idk about you but my religion doesn't believe that my spirit wanders the earth after I die

Some religions believe that a persons spirit moves on to the afterlife.
But CERN claims to have disproven the existence of paranormal beings like these.
Which means re-incarnation, moving to the afterlife and all those things aren't possible as far as we can know since there are no ghosts or spirits.


You have to keep in mind that this only disproves those things on a physical level though.
If you somehow end up in another dimension when you die then we obviously wouldn't be able to tell

Weeno 02-27-2017 06:20 PM

We must ask zara2 for the answers

Aftermath 02-28-2017 02:19 AM

http://www.hasthelargehadroncollider...eworldyet.com/


well, now i know what that is

Pr0m4N V.14 02-28-2017 04:03 AM

Ehhhh... What?

Sardon 02-28-2017 05:22 AM

You cannot disprove ghosts/spirits as we know little about what they are made of
It could be that spirits themselves are undetectable or aren't physicial beings at all.
With our limited technology such answers cannot be answered yet.

Most cultures around the world beleived in spirits of some kind even those that were isolated which leads me to beleive that they may have known something we didn't.

Sir 02-28-2017 08:11 AM

we'll see.

Fysez 02-28-2017 12:02 PM

Quote:

Posted by Sardon (Post 768208)
You cannot disprove ghosts/spirits as we know little about what they are made of
It could be that spirits themselves are undetectable or aren't physicial beings at all.
With our limited technology such answers cannot be answered yet.

Most cultures around the world beleived in spirits of some kind even those that were isolated which leads me to beleive that they may have known something we didn't.

Sure but what about all those TV shows with "I can feel the energy, it's cold in this one spot".

The hardest part to accept about ghosts being disproven is that I've heard many ghost stories, including my own

hosler 02-28-2017 01:31 PM

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Posted by Fysez (Post 768230)
Sure but what about all those TV shows with "I can feel the energy, it's cold in this one spot".

The hardest part to accept about ghosts being disproven is that I've heard many ghost stories, including my own

I usually hear my own stories too

Distorted_P2P 02-28-2017 01:32 PM

I feel like if there actually is any kind of spirits after life they wouldn't be made out of energy.

Fysez 02-28-2017 01:42 PM

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Posted by hosler (Post 768239)
I usually hear my own stories too

Technically you hear yourself every time you speak

0.5 02-28-2017 10:36 PM

Quote:

Posted by Eugeen (Post 768055)
Some religions believe that a persons spirit moves on to the afterlife.
But CERN claims to have disproven the existence of paranormal beings like these.
Which means re-incarnation, moving to the afterlife and all those things aren't possible as far as we can know since there are no ghosts or spirits.


You have to keep in mind that this only disproves those things on a physical level though.
If you somehow end up in another dimension when you die then we obviously wouldn't be able to tell



My religion no one can prove it dosn't exist and no one can prove it does

Thats why its belief and faith all personal I respect eachother opinion though intresting artictle though thanks for sharing !

Crono 03-01-2017 04:15 PM

never proven to begin with so...

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Posted by 0.5 (Post 768333)
My religion no one can prove it dosn't exist and no one can prove it does

Thats why its belief and faith all personal I respect eachother opinion though intresting artictle though thanks for sharing !

burden of proof lies on the person making the positive assertion, so if you come at me with horse**** you're not automatically on the same level (as far as arguments go) because "lul cnt be proven or disproven!!!!", you're infact losing.

Sig. 03-01-2017 04:41 PM

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Posted by Crono (Post 768489)

burden of proof lies on the person making the positive assertion

You're acting like this is a fact. It's neither maths nor physics, it's philosophy which isn't as black/white as you make it look like.


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