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Red 01-27-2017 10:44 PM
Question about the reasoning behind "multiple bans" being an offence.
 
I've never been banned for this nor am I currently banned, but I always wondered why "multiple bans" can be a reasoning behind someone copping a large ban time.

If the person has already been punished for prior offences how can you punish them for that again. That sounds like the dumbest reasoning behind somebody copping a 4k hour ban.

Meanwhile you have Paddie, running around constantly abusing people, making alts to get pass blocks so she can constantly harass you and staff haven't even done a thing?

^Look into this please jarace&dread because shes honestly in line for a long ****ing ban

Colin 01-27-2017 10:48 PM
I believe the ban is placed only after someone makes an offence and it is a recurring problem with them.

If Player A gets banned let's say five times and each ban is 168 hours (one week) and he then proceeds to get banned a sixth time the 168 hour ban is clearly not stopping said player from continuing to repeat the offence so they then deliver a much longer ban as 'multiple bans' because the person is a repeat offender and is not stopping.

Don't think people are just randomly banned for no reason other than having prior bans on their account.

Galen Verge 01-27-2017 10:52 PM
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Posted by Colin (Post 760412)
I believe the ban is placed only after someone makes an offence and it is a recurring problem with them.

If Player A gets banned let's say five times and each ban is 168 hours (one week) and he then proceeds to get banned a sixth time the 168 hour ban is clearly not stopping said player from continuing to repeat the offence so they then deliver a much longer ban as 'multiple bans' because the person is a repeat offender and is not stopping.

Don't think people are just randomly banned for no reason other than having prior bans on their account.
What if ban A is month ban year ago ban B is a week ban and then ban C if for a year. Ban A is for scamming ban B is for bugging someone and ban C is because they lagged and killed people in non PK zones.

Jimbo 01-27-2017 10:55 PM
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Posted by Red (Post 760411)

^Look into this please jarace&dread because shes honestly in line for a long ****ing ban[/B]
Dude relax

Jarace 01-27-2017 11:05 PM
Quote:
Posted by Colin (Post 760412)
I believe the ban is placed only after someone makes an offence and it is a recurring problem with them.

If Player A gets banned let's say five times and each ban is 168 hours (one week) and he then proceeds to get banned a sixth time the 168 hour ban is clearly not stopping said player from continuing to repeat the offence so they then deliver a much longer ban as 'multiple bans' because the person is a repeat offender and is not stopping.

Don't think people are just randomly banned for no reason other than having prior bans on their account.
This is a pretty good explanation of it. In some cases, it is used as an "other" offense when somebody has done something really awful that isn't properly covered by our other offense reasons.

Bans and such aren't public. You generally won't know when or what actions are taken against a certain person.

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Posted by Galen Verge (Post 760414)
What if ban A is month ban year ago ban B is a week ban and then ban C if for a year. Ban A is for scamming ban B is for bugging someone and ban C is because they lagged and killed people in non PK zones.
I'm finding it hard to understand what you're trying to say. Some of those won't result in a ban at all, unless you're still doing it after being disconnected and warped a few times.

If your question is if it is used because you've been banned for a lot of different things, the answer is no.

Perseus 01-27-2017 11:25 PM
What kinda actions would be taken against someone starting an argument/false harassment report to get someone banned?

PigParty 01-28-2017 12:14 AM
on Zone I used that reason for someone who had a lot of bans with minor consequences like general harassment, vulgar language, etc. when I caught them doing it again. Exactly what Colin said. I also used that reason for players who were evading ban on an alternate account so they would usually get banned longer on that alternate account.

RyanB 01-28-2017 01:56 AM
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Posted by PigParty (Post 760441)
on Zone I used that reason for someone who had a lot of bans with minor consequences like general harassment, vulgar language, etc. when I caught them doing it again. Exactly what Colin said. I also used that reason for players who were evading ban on an alternate account so they would usually get banned longer on that alternate account.
so u r stalking and abusing thm o.o
lol

Saeed 01-28-2017 12:54 PM
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Posted by Jarace (Post 760423)
This is a pretty good explanation of it. In some cases, it is used as an "other" offense when somebody has done something really awful that isn't properly covered by our other offense reasons.

Bans and such aren't public. You generally won't know when or what actions are taken against a certain person.


I'm finding it hard to understand what you're trying to say. Some of those won't result in a ban at all, unless you're still doing it after being disconnected and warped a few times.

If your question is if it is used because you've been banned for a lot of different things, the answer is no.
What does "false ban" means? Some people usually get banned for a long time with multiple bans (apparently, for no reason) then they send an appeal ticket and admins check if it's a false ban, if it was they un-ban the person.
Does it mean when admins accidentally ban people?

Agonee 01-28-2017 11:43 PM
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Posted by Saeed (Post 760538)
What does "false ban" means? Some people usually get banned for a long time with multiple bans (apparently, for no reason) then they send an appeal ticket and admins check if it's a false ban, if it was they un-ban the person.
Does it mean when admins accidentally ban people?
Pretty sure that there a lot of false bans as example Bryan got banned for 3months once for hacking even tho he only PKed MoD, the Admin who banned him told him after he got fired that he accidentally banned the wrong person(him), I received a few warnings too for reporting a speed hacker and prolly even got banned a few times for that.

Jarace 01-29-2017 12:01 AM
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Posted by Saeed (Post 760538)
What does "false ban" means? Some people usually get banned for a long time with multiple bans (apparently, for no reason) then they send an appeal ticket and admins check if it's a false ban, if it was they un-ban the person.
Does it mean when admins accidentally ban people?
If I say it, that's usually what I mean.

Instances of "false" bans are very, very rare. The vast majority of the time people who claim they were banned for no reason are lying. In the case that they aren't, support.toonslab.com unbans them.

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Posted by Agonee (Post 760654)
Pretty sure that there a lot of false bans as example Bryan got banned for 3months once for hacking even tho he only PKed MoD, the Admin who banned him told him after he got fired that he accidentally banned the wrong person(him), I received a few warnings too for reporting a speed hacker and prolly even got banned a few times for that.
No, there aren't "a lot". That's one (probably the only) example of a bad ban that wasn't overturned.

You didn't receive a few warnings for "reporting a speedhacker", nor were you banned for it. Yes, I did check.

Agonee 01-29-2017 12:33 AM
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Posted by Jarace (Post 760664)
If I say it, that's usually what I mean.

Instances of "false" bans are very, very rare. The vast majority of the time people who claim they were banned for no reason are lying. In the case that they aren't, support.toonslab.com unbans them.



No, there aren't "a lot". That's one (probably the only) example of a bad ban that wasn't overturned.

You didn't receive a few warnings for "reporting a speedhacker", nor were you banned for it. Yes, I did check.
I legit reported a speed hacker in swamp, marshmallow did warned me instead of the speed hacker.
Anyway I don't feel like discussing, you can check it again/see the warning I got from marshmallow or not.

Saeed 01-29-2017 12:34 AM
Thnx for explaining the definition of a false ban.
I do agree that it's very rare to happen and the prove is, almost all players that sent an appeal ticket dont get unbanned, which means that their ban isn't a false ban.
A lot of people assume that toonslab ignores tickets (I used to assume the same too) but now I wouldn't say "ignore" I would say clarify because, if you sent an appeal ticket to toonslab and didnt get unbanned this would means that your ban isn't a false ban in-fact, you was banned for a reason.

Bryan* 01-29-2017 03:42 AM
I provided a bible of evidence to Toonslab about this "hacking/cheating" offense that was put on me and it still wasn't overturned. From my IP Address, Network Speeds, IOS Software, anything that I can think of in technical terms. It's the only offense I question being on my account from the other 6. So to the inexperienced GP that mistakenly did it, screw you.

Jimbo 01-29-2017 11:01 AM
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Posted by Red (Post 760411)
I've never been banned for this nor am I currently banned, but I always wondered why "multiple bans" can be a reasoning behind someone copping a large ban time.
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Red lol havent you been banned for speeding a lot?
What's your problem with Paddie also? Lol typically you to go after the weak


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