Gun Balancing Advice? (Cloyd, please read this.)
 

I understand that you are doing what everyone's complaining about. I think it's great. I know there will be tweaks here and there. There are a few things i'm noticing that's going to hurt Graal though.

1.) Err, Just my opinion here, but i was planning on getting a BAR or a Shipka with money i'm getting for my Birthday. Now i'm not so sure. I've seen the freeze effects on them and there's no way i'd buy that. If you're going to make people pay 45$+ for an online gun they should have Quality, regardless of what other people say.
2.) My 45k M4 is now weaker than a 15k M16.
I think their is something wrong with that.
Really wrong.
3.) Tec9 is severely under powered now. I've used it for PK+Spar for a long time now, and it's horrible. I can't win a spar with it to save my life.
4.) AK47 Is now useless, and i know Newer players really looked to that gun before they can get their hands on a better weapon. I think that it should go back to normal, personally, because so many people use it to start, and not being able to kill anyone with it might make them ragequit the game...
5.) Spar isn't even fun now... I can win Tec9 VS Shipka any day. Now the freeze is so high that you can't move fast enough to dodge bullets. back to square one, everything is just way underpowered...
6.) You could win back a lot of players by rolling back old gun stats and taking community advice on what needs to be changed- The fire rate of AK, the clip of shipka, the Fire rate of BAR (Etc...) not just doing what you think what needs to be done... I understand you're being a leader but you're trying to please a crowd of gamers here, and it doesn't seem to be going so well right now. You kind of have to appeal to the community, because without us graal would cease to exist.
There are more than this, but, err, i don't have every gun so i don't know for sure.

Bar is unchanged, same with tec9, m-16 has a faster fire rate, shipka has tiny added freeze ak is slow because its too good for the price and finally i used m4 and i dont really notice any change mabey you just need practice?

Actually he did add freeze to tec-9 but the reason you say nothing is wrong with m4 is because you were offline when it was so bad you couldnt even dodge anymore...well you could but you would have to stick to single shots...and ak may have been too good but noobs already sucked with it at least it gave them a chance to feel like they're good.

The AK was too fast. Now think it's perfect. The first change made it slow, but now its great. The reason that the AK will never be "too good" as a gun is because there is no spread. It's easy to dodge.

Yeah, agreed. Great opinions. I do agree some guns need price/quality balancing. (Ak-47, M16 - Both are too good for the price)

At first he put the M16 extremely fast, Same speed as bar. Now, Cloyd reduced the speed.

Like someone else said, modifications to a weapon after purchase should be refunded.

Agony i finshed your gun

Link me or post in your GFX thread <3

Mmk the threads basically under this one called Era Gun Gfx, gun isnt up though need to find out how to do it now that when i tap the buttons it literally does nothing

:00 nvm works on my ipad so thats how ill upload them :3 itll take a little longer though

He made the M16 CRAZY fast, but he made it CRAZY freezy. All its really gold for is spraying in a corner while basing.

Don't forget spraying in a corner during spar.

Well, as Cloyd had stated, this is a work in progress. I'd rather the guns be modified in isolation instead of being instantly changed during regular gameplay. Make a finished product, add it to the guns and post an update. However, we will just have to see how the guns will evolve. For now...

The M4 is perfect. The giant freeze is hood for outmaneuvering people but please dumb down the M16.

Yeah, the Shipka definitely isn't worth the 120000 we all paid for. Now, it's not much better than a Tec9. I just so happened to buy it hours after the update. The patch was in effect, but the description led me to think it was a different gun. Kinda stupid. I really want a refund.