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Engel 01-14-2013 08:52 PM

Bar and other overpowered guns.
 
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Hey- as many of iEra's players know iEra became (in my opinion atleast) pay to win in a way. Guns like the BAR, souizen, pbp and shipka have a big advantage over cheaper guns. I think this is pretty unfair as not everyone is willing to spend money on in-app purchases or dig for atleast a full week. That's why I'm just asking to nerf them in order to restore balance, and make iEra more fun again.

In order to let even the bar users understand my point of view I made a little graph, which I'm going to explain now:

Red: The "overpowered" guns as they are now;
Blue: The guns how they should be in my opinion;
Green: This part of the graph is supposed to be both red and blue, in which case I made it green to avoid confusion;
Yellow; The end of the graph, this would symbolise the "perfect" gun, no freeze, huge fire rate etc. (located far right upper corner and the end of the blue line under it, and the two ends of the graph)

The X axis (horizontal) is how "good" a gun is;
The Y axis (vertical) is the price of the gun.

As you notice the red line, so how it is now, is a straight line. The more you pay, the better the gun you buy is. What I want is to equalize all guns so a more expensive gun, as the price increases gets better less and less, so that a 200000 gralat gun won't be thát much better than for instance a 150000 gralat gun. You see this back in the blue line; it bends off horizontally.

I really think this would help alot to improve iEra's gameplay as everything would depend more on skill, instead on overpowered weapons.
Any thoughts?

Alan Harper 01-14-2013 11:27 PM

What it really boils down to in the end is that every gun has it's advantages and disadvantages, I personally don't find most guns OP if you take into consideration their price. But they've dug them selves into a hole when releasing "OP" expensive guns because, they wouldn't want to reduce their price and nerf the guns stats or even just nerf the guns stats. If they were nerfed with no reduction in price then people would whine, if they were nerfed with a reduction in price but no one was refunded their $ they would whine and if you were to do all that and refund their money the game would lose income in a way.

Engel 01-14-2013 11:36 PM

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Posted by Alan Harper (Post 279420)
What it really boils down to in the end is that every gun has it's advantages and disadvantages, I personally don't find most guns OP if you take into consideration their price. But they've dug them selves into a hole when releasing "OP" expensive guns because, they wouldn't want to reduce their price and nerf the guns stats or even just nerf the guns stats. If they were nerfed with no reduction in price then people would whine, if they were nerfed with a reduction in price but no one was refunded their $ they would whine and if you were to do all that and refund their money the game would lose income in a way.

I don't see how the game would lose income, it's just fair. What I tried to say with the graph is to nerf them, but don't adjust (or just a tiny bit) the prices. Give refunds for those who bought it (not full ones, just a part). Amd if you can give me any disadvantages of the souizen that'd be great because I personally can't think of any...

Wabbit 01-14-2013 11:39 PM

no, just no.

iHot 01-14-2013 11:41 PM

pay2win

Engel 01-14-2013 11:51 PM

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Posted by Wabbit (Post 279429)
no, just no.

I knew replies like this would come, maybe you could give arguments like I did because to me you're now just being an imbecile. Why not, just not?

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Posted by iHot (Post 279431)
pay2win

Yeah and that's exáctly what I'm trying to even out, that pay2win isn't as attractive as gaining skill :)

Ghettoicedtea 01-15-2013 01:25 AM

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Posted by Wabbit (Post 279429)
no, just no.

Butthurt bar user who knows he will suck when bar gets nerfed

Anyways
Bar and other weapons are getting out of hand. Bar and pbp IMO souizen is not OP. Like it ornot, every good game has a pay2win type thing exp Battlefield3. You dont need to give them a cent to win i have no spent a cent on them and i still whoop ass on it. But they do gove premium members DLC and new weaponry.

A OP gun has no disadvantages. The bar and pbp really have no disadvantages. All the bar and pbp queers are going to start rage posting NO BAR AND PBP ARE FINE. They think it is because they use them. Try only using a m4 or any other gun. ITS NOT FAIR. Pking has turned from skill into the richest person will ge the most kills. Bar needs to have a major freeze nerf. Pbp needs that no damn stacked damage crap. Just go back to original shotguns.
Im getting extremley tired of this v

poorface 01-15-2013 01:39 AM

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Posted by Engel (Post 279425)
Amd if you can give me any disadvantages of the souizen that'd be great because I personally can't think of any...

The 12-clip and reload are the major drawbacks I believe. Not that I have one..

failure 01-15-2013 01:45 AM

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Posted by poorface (Post 279512)
The 12-clip

The worst thing about the souizen.

Ghettoicedtea 01-15-2013 02:25 AM

Nerf pbp

Kyle Kol 01-15-2013 06:13 AM

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Posted by iHot (Post 279431)
pay2win


Alan Harper 01-15-2013 11:25 AM

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Posted by poorface (Post 279512)
The 12-clip and reload are the major drawbacks I believe. Not that I have one..

Ya those are it's only drawbacks lol (I do have one). Back to how the game would lose money (in a way) it's basically because people would get that $ back and they wouldn't have to buy more packs for new stuff. hard for me to explain xD

Engel 01-15-2013 02:29 PM

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Posted by Alan Harper (Post 279793)
Ya those are it's only drawbacks lol (I do have one). Back to how the game would lose money (in a way) it's basically because people would get that $ back and they wouldn't have to buy more packs for new stuff. hard for me to explain xD

I get your point, but they'll lose way more money if people would quit because they dislike the game. And I don't think that a 12-clip is that a big of a "drawback", the lack of freeze and fire rate make up for that big time :p

Ghettoicedtea 01-15-2013 03:52 PM

IMO bar is underpriced... it should be 400k for a LMG that is used as a assult rifle in this game with low freeze super fast reload, wide spread, high damage, and a large clip. a 200k BAR should be, high freeze, high damage, lower accuracy (this is a LMG, LMGs have bad accuracy due to the fact that they are big and have a lot of blowback), slower reload, high damage,

IN general graal should start catagorizing weapons

handguns - low damage, high ROF, ok accuracy, low freeze, fast reloads
SMG's - high rof, medium damage, bad accuracy, low freeze, fast reloads
Assult rifles - good damage, good accuracy, medium freeze, high rof, medium reloads
Heavy assult rifles - high damage, high accuracy, medium freeze, medium rof, medium reloads
LMG's - low accuracy, high freeze, high rof, slow reloads, good-high damage
Rifles - low clip- good-100% accuracy, low freeze, high damage, fast rof

Meph 01-15-2013 06:04 PM

As you probably already know, I'm with you on this.
I'd love to nerf BAR to having only the advantage of damage, and lower the fire rate.
I'd also love to have the souizen's fire rate nerfed, and leave it with the advantage of low freeze.

If it weren't for the potential player complaints, this would have been done back in August.
I encourage you to start a petition, poll, or something that gives backbone to the idea of nerfing the OP guns. I'll even sign it myself, or vote in favor of it.

But I won't do it without sufficient support. That would only cause me to go the route of Cloyd, and get fired for trying to add more emphasis on skill.

Frankly, I don't care if somebody paid $100 for a gun. I care about a player of lesser skill overpowering a skilled player just because he's got money to blow. This should never happen.


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