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ihermes 07-10-2019 07:27 AM

Farming Rework part 1
 
Hello everyone, i will be discussing the changes to farming below.

As you all know farming is a job where you plant seeds on ol west, leave them, and then come back to harvest them.
The problem is that farming is now the main source of income on ol west with little to no drawbacks, with people making numerous alts and then ending up with tons of gralats.

We've added a few changes to farming that are as followed.
- We've currently restricted the amount of land you can have in your house, we now have it where you can only have 25 out at a time
-You will also have to sell your old garden to buy the new one (cost the same: 250)
-You are now required to water your plants to keep them alive,
you will have to buy a watering can for your crops
https://i.imgur.com/5bP01kh.png

-it is a one time use,
after being used you will be given an empty watering can
https://i.imgur.com/NYnBVVa.png

You can go to giant pools of water you can refill all your empty watering cans.
you will be prompt a message of how many watering cans were re-filled
https://i.imgur.com/Vpu7T2R.png

-If you go near your crops you will see a empty gui
https://i.imgur.com/dBa51y1.png

-Watering your plants will fill the gui
https://i.imgur.com/LDJxhk2.png

-And as time goes on the water will slowly drain
https://i.imgur.com/LGLeRuf.png

-If left empty your plants will start to get damaged and then become withered
https://i.imgur.com/ImQl1J5.png
you can still harvest withered crops and eat them but its not recommended.

IF YOUR CROPS ARE FULLY GROWN YOU ONLY HAVE 30 MINUTES BEFORE THEY WITHER, REGARDLESS OF THEIR WATER BAR

And one last change we included, to those that want to speed up their crops growth rate,
you can buy fertilizer for 250 Gralats
this will cut your crops wait time by 30%
https://i.imgur.com/DuyFR42.png

When you use fertilizer it will darken the soil and add a fertilizer icon near the water GUI.
This buff will stay on your crop till it is harvested.
https://i.imgur.com/VKeWQkW.png

We will add more changes in the future, i know its going to be different now that farming has a few drawbacks but the old one was just too over powered when it came to getting Gralats.
Farming shouldn't be something you get tons of Gralats for doing absolutely nothing.
We're open to ideas below.
I WILL BE POSTING CHANGES THROUGHOUT THIS THREAD

Scone 07-10-2019 08:10 AM

I’ve notice one big major flaw with this; the introduction of having to water it every ~8-9 minute means every other crop except blueberry would be useless to plant. The point of different crop is if you’re offline for a longer time you can earn more gralat by planting other crops, for example if you’re going to sleep you’d plant raspberry rather than tomato getting 1k instead of 480. But with water you have to be watering your plant every ~8-9 minute, and with blueberry being ready in 10 minute, the only logical crop to plant is blueberries because you would be waiting 10 minute on blueberry with only having to water it once then collect it rather than watering raspberry over 5 times to be collected when that could be 5 or more times of you collecting blueberries. This in turn makes all other crop except blueberries useless.

ihermes 07-10-2019 08:32 AM

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Posted by Scone (Post 826566)
Iíve notice one big major flaw with this; the introduction of having to water it every ~8-9 minute means every other crop except blueberry would be useless to plant. The point of different crop is if youíre offline for a longer time you can earn more gralat by planting other crops, for example if youíre going to sleep youíd plant raspberry rather than tomato getting 1k instead of 480. But with water you have to be watering your plant every ~8-9 minute, and with blueberry being ready in 10 minute, the only logical crop to plant is blueberries because you would be waiting 10 minute on blueberry with only having to water it once then collect it rather than watering raspberry over 5 times to be collected when that could be 5 or more times of you collecting blueberries. This in turn makes all other crop except blueberries useless.

yea, its hard to get others to want to plant other crops, i might increase the price of selling for other plants, or maybe increase the gathering for completing a crop

As for blueberry crops, thats a little bit tougher, since theyre a beginner crop. maybe i can increase the time a little bit so the water can affect them a little bit, i dont really want to change the price or gathering amount u get from them

Scone 07-10-2019 09:05 AM

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Posted by ihermes (Post 826567)
yea, its hard to get others to want to plant other crops, i might increase the price of selling for other plants, or maybe increase the gathering for completing a crop

As for blueberry crops, thats a little bit tougher, since theyre a beginner crop. maybe i can increase the time a little bit so the water can affect them a little bit, i dont really want to change the price or gathering amount u get from them

Maybe change it to where how long it takes until a crop is needed to be water again depends on the type of crops, so a crop that takes longer until harvest would deplete it’s water less.

ArchieIsHere 07-10-2019 06:23 PM

The new farming system is great, it will definitely prevent players from simply making alternative accounts to get rich fast.

But how are you planning to address those players that have previously exploited the old system? Although the new system is great, I believe it really presents a challenge for new players to become rich. As they’re now forced to work more compared to older players.

Aftermath 07-10-2019 08:10 PM

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Good update, just curious will old plots be force removed? Because I donít want my cool glitched plot to disappear forever Attachment 27610

MasGio 07-10-2019 08:18 PM

Get ur ass back to gfx and let hoyt manager the server


Jk. Nice update

Gunz 07-10-2019 09:40 PM

Good thing I donít farm
 
#Itunes #Supporter #Dodged a bullet

TomatoPanda 07-11-2019 12:47 AM

Good Job Wings. Nice to know you've been working on the server these past couple months probably for this now. Keep up the Quality content like this please! ^-^

ArchieIsHere 07-11-2019 01:15 AM

Hard to tell if you’re being sarcastic...

ihermes 07-11-2019 01:21 AM

Some changes we added

-You cant stack your gardens
-You have a chance at obtaining more crops than normal
(with blueberry crops the minimum is 14, now you have a chance to get 16)
-we fixed the duping watercan issue
- lowered the overall amount of water that is drained per second
-you can now see how many plots of land you have in your garden (we can make this an option if it gets annoying)


Changes i want to add later on

-will increase how many plots of land you can have out, will go from 25=> 35
-lower the crop timer for certain crops (the ones nobody uses)
-maybe buff the price of certain crops sell price
-have each plant have a different water usage (looking at u blueberry crops) so that some plants have to be watered at different times than others, like having pumpkins need less water than lets say blueberry crops

An npc that will tend your garden for you
this will be for VIP only, and will cost a crap ton to unlock, you also have to supply them with the supplies (watering cans, fertilizer)
it will not gather your crops but keep them hydrated or fertilized

i want farming to be something that people feel rewarded when doing, not 100k gralats but still profitable.
I believe the changes from farming had to be done, the overall state of farming was ruining the economy.
If theres any other ideas you want to see or think needs a change, please add below


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Posted by ArchieIsHere (Post 826577)
The new farming system is great, it will definitely prevent players from simply making alternative accounts to get rich fast.

But how are you planning to address those players that have previously exploited the old system? Although the new system is great, I believe it really presents a challenge for new players to become rich. As they’re now forced to work more compared to older players.

Farming isnt meant to get rich, its not even a job that has levels (mining,woodcutting) YET.
i see farming more as a side job, you plant you crops, water them, do what you have to do, come back, and gather. the old system never had any drawbacks and was being exploited because of it.
Sadly i dont think i have the right to punish those that took advantage of the old farming, if anything i blame the scripts because of how unbalanced it was.


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Posted by Aftermath (Post 826581)
Good update, just curious will old plots be force removed? Because I don’t want my cool glitched plot to disappear forever Attachment 27610

most likely yes :(
i can ask hoyt to only swap the furniture they have in their inventory so the ones u have as furniture wont be erased!

Aftermath 07-11-2019 01:30 AM

Please move the plot counter to a different place or the option to remove it because it’s pretty obnoxious. It goes through everything so If you’re zoomed out it covers sign text.

Also how much is “a crap ton”?

ihermes 07-11-2019 01:43 AM

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Posted by Aftermath (Post 826589)
Please move the plot counter to a different place or the option to remove it because itís pretty obnoxious. It goes through everything so If youíre zoomed out it covers sign text.

Also how much is ďa crap tonĒ?

yea i thought so, i'll look into having it be an option,
and the "crap ton".. well i can only guess since im not sure what i want the price to be.
maybe 50k?

Aftermath 07-11-2019 02:29 AM

And if possible, since some people aren't extremely active we could get phone notifications like “hey your crops are done you have 30 minutes to go harvest them”
Just to make it easier to work with the small time windows.
Don’t know how easy this would be though, since it’s dealing with stuff outside of graal and I’ve never gotten a notification from a graal game.

There also might be a problem with the farming assistant, rich players with multiple accounts could easily afford a helper for every account this just delays the problem instead of stopping it.. Maybe make it a milestone for “X crops planted” before you can hire one or something like that.

TomatoPanda 07-11-2019 03:30 AM

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Posted by ArchieIsHere (Post 826586)
Hard to tell if youíre being sarcastic...

Wasn't being sarcastic oof


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