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Koolaid 08-05-2012 07:23 PM

iFile users
 
Can you be jailed for iFile using, because someone stole oweos head then said "I STEAL CUSTOMS FROM IFILE!"

Johnaudi 08-05-2012 07:26 PM

Staff can't do anything for several reasons.
Custom Stealing is Legal but unfavorised, yet again staff cannot check every upload date and who uploaded which the first.
Sorry.

Yukio 08-05-2012 09:19 PM

Vendhin's Reply to the Mayu's Thread: Anti-GFX THEFT
 
Vendhin already mentioned about this :)
Quote:

as i said in other thread

"we make no promises when concerned with customs and uploads. In the upload rules it states that it's improbable we can enforce a private custom because of sharing and whatnot, it's not feasible, we get hundreds of customs uploaded a day.

When you upload something to use, it becomes the property of Eurocenter to use as they will. so it's not really stealing from you in the first place. Once it's in the game, it's fair to use basically."

just like players donating graphics for the train station or cinco de mayu or what not, once they are uploaded, it belongs to graal and not to any individual player
-Vendhin :)

HomoPanda 08-05-2012 09:21 PM

when you upload a custom to iEra, it no longer belongs to you.

Yephenpeace 08-05-2012 09:45 PM

I don't play Era, but using a file browser isn't illegal, so no.

PerfectDark 08-05-2012 09:50 PM

It is only illegal if you get caught, but even then it isn't illegal since you are not effecting the game play of another player.
On the other hand, using ifile to take files and upload them for yourself, it doesn't give yourself a good rep with part of the iEra community.

Billy 08-05-2012 10:29 PM

New rule:If player heads can be stolen,admin heads can be too..
Makes it much more fair.

Chaotic 08-05-2012 10:37 PM

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Posted by Billy (Post 174810)
New rule:If player heads can be stolen,admin heads can be too..
Makes it much more fair.

We're more strict about staff heads for obvious reasons. If a player uploaded a staff head, they could impersonate that staff and trick other players into believing they are staff and scam/recieve account details from others.

Engel 08-05-2012 10:37 PM

I hate iFile users, my custom body is suddenly not original anymore :(

V. 08-05-2012 10:43 PM

You hate me? :( *sob*

Quote:

Posted by Chaotic (Post 174815)
We're more strict about staff heads for obvious reasons. If a player uploaded a staff head, they could impersonate that staff and trick other players into believing they are staff and scam/recieve account details from others.

But the thing is, a staff member uploaded the troll head, now none of us can use it. I bet there's loads of players who'd want it. I bet the head isn't even used.

Chaotic 08-05-2012 10:47 PM

Quote:

Posted by V. (Post 174817)
But the thing is, a staff member uploaded the troll head, now none of us can use it. I bet there's loads of players who'd want it. I bet the head isn't even used.

We don't accept meme heads anymore. Not sure why, might be copyright infringemennt of some sort. But that means staff can't use them either. But I use head18.png, and anyone else can use it, so that's not always the case.

GraalianX 08-05-2012 10:51 PM

Quote:

Posted by Chaotic (Post 174818)
We don't accept meme heads anymore. Not sure why, might be copyright infringemennt of some sort. But that means staff can't use them either. But I use head18.png, and anyone else can use it, so that's not always the case.

Why does Olirus* have Layerd*s head and sometimes his name?

Engel 08-05-2012 10:52 PM

Most of the staff doesn't even have a custom head...

V. 08-05-2012 11:14 PM

Quote:

Posted by Chaotic (Post 174818)
We don't accept meme heads anymore. Not sure why, might be copyright infringemennt of some sort. But that means staff can't use them either. But I use head18.png, and anyone else can use it, so that's not always the case.

I just meant as soon as a staff uploads a head, it automatically becomes illegal. It's just a little un-fair, but I respect the rules.

Higbey 08-05-2012 11:40 PM

It would be possible to make it so ifile users are unable to play, but Stefan would never do it.

V. 08-06-2012 12:18 AM

Then the users would easily find a bypass.
Besides, iFile has a lot of uses, not just hacking.

BabyGhost 08-06-2012 01:36 AM

Some friend told me an iClassic user has my custom.

fsh 08-06-2012 03:44 AM

Quote:

Posted by Higbey (Post 174836)
It would be possible to make it so ifile users are unable to play, but Stefan would never do it.

no thanks.

DragonRider 08-06-2012 09:14 AM

Quote:

Posted by BabyGhost (Post 174891)
Some friend told me an iClassic user has my custom.

And...

MrSimons 08-06-2012 09:28 AM

Quote:

Posted by Higbey (Post 174836)
It would be possible to make it so ifile users are unable to play, but Stefan would never do it.

I jailbroke, now I can't play. Seems fair.

Rexx 08-06-2012 09:32 AM

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Posted by Mr.$imons (Post 175031)
I jailbroke, now I can't play. Seems fair.

He said iFile users, not every jailbroken device.

iSilver 08-06-2012 09:37 AM

Quote:

Posted by Koolaid (Post 174605)
Can you be jailed for iFile using, because someone stole oweos head then said "I STEAL CUSTOMS FROM IFILE!"

the real question is,
why on earth would anyone want to steal oweos head?

Higbey 08-06-2012 10:10 AM

Ifile can be a good tool, so can a large knife,

Because people use it for bad things and it is affecting the game negatively, the app can block users with ifile. It's possible to detect and so far there is no real way to bypass it unless there's another app like ifile, which could also be blocked.


Basically, yes it can be used for good, but when there is no way to make it impossible to use it for bad then it is best not to even allow it, it's third party software used for viewing and editing. Stefan wouldn't do it, but he could, and personally I think it would at least help.

Richard 08-06-2012 10:15 AM

Quote:

Posted by Higbey (Post 175049)
so far there is no real way to bypass it unless there's another app like ifile,

ssh using scp -r (Unix language for the win) Jailbreak is still detectable.. oh well! Don't do it in the first place =)

DragonRider 08-06-2012 10:15 AM

Quote:

Posted by Richard (Post 175051)
ssh using scp -r (Unix language for the win) Jailbreak is still detectable.. oh well! Don't do it in the first place =)

On with your technical nonsense again?

Richard 08-06-2012 10:17 AM

Quote:

Posted by DragonRider (Post 175052)
On with your technical nonsense again?

Thanks for the quick reply! That was like < 10 seconds since i posted. and yes dweeb i'm on with it again. i know i'm going WAYY over your head with this one.

Talon 08-06-2012 10:27 AM

Quote:

Posted by Chaotic (Post 174815)
We're more strict about staff heads for obvious reasons. If a player uploaded a staff head, they could impersonate that staff and trick other players into believing they are staff and scam/recieve account details from others.

Quote:

Posted by Chaotic (Post 174818)
We don't accept meme heads anymore. Not sure why, might be copyright infringemennt of some sort. But that means staff can't use them either. But I use head18.png, and anyone else can use it, so that's not always the case.

But other players have full access to head18.png and I don't really see that many people impersonating you, let alone phishing accounts. I understand where you're coming from, but I wouldn't see it as a major threat. People on iClassic always jack staff graphics, but there aren't any complaints about phished accounts.

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Posted by Higbey (Post 175049)
Ifile can be a good tool, so can a large knife,

Because people use it for bad things and it is affecting the game negatively, the app can block users with ifile. It's possible to detect and so far there is no real way to bypass it unless there's another app like ifile, which could also be blocked.


Basically, yes it can be used for good, but when there is no way to make it impossible to use it for bad then it is best not to even allow it, it's third party software used for viewing and editing. Stefan wouldn't do it, but he could, and personally I think it would at least help.

And what about players that use iFile for legitimate purposes outside of Graal? The developers that need access to the internal files? They'll be restricted too, and it will cause more complaints than if we leave it as is. It's a file browser, and its not illegal. It's just frowned upon, and so is spamming in spars with an M16.

There isn't one malicious thing you could possibly do with iFile to alter the game to your advantage without being caught and subsequently banned. The only thing I can think of is deleting the walk-through tree graphics to see through them, but then you could just auto-ban players missing that specific file.

Even if you did block it, you can simply open the SSH port on your device and access the files from an external device, which isn't detectable at all by the application.

Higbey 08-06-2012 11:41 AM

*facepalm* the developers do not need to use ifile to see internal files... And it's third party software... So according to the rules.....

*Ergaster 08-06-2012 02:37 PM

Quote:

Posted by V. (Post 174817)
But the thing is, a staff member uploaded the troll head, now none of us can use it. I bet there's loads of players who'd want it. I bet the head isn't even used.

You just said something I've been thinking for several months.. and that's just not about the troll head, there is more heads you can't use when staff uploads.

Yogy* 08-06-2012 06:45 PM

Chao lol everyone can copy ur look

iHot 08-06-2012 06:50 PM

Block users with ifile let us see...thats a pretty good amount of Graal gone.
Less people=less money and less money=mad unixmad and mad unixmad means dead stefan. Dead stefan means the servers blow up. Servers blow up=no more Graal. So blocking users with iFile is a big no no!

Talon 08-07-2012 12:49 AM

Quote:

Posted by Higbey (Post 175094)
*facepalm* the developers do not need to use ifile to see internal files... And it's third party software... So according to the rules.....

Okay, go ahead and just disregard the rest of my post. iFile was obviously released for a purpose, and it clearly wasn't for Graal. Other people need it for legitimate usage, and it wouldn't be fair to limit them. Like I said, blocking iFile won't do **** to stop stealing custom heads. There are workarounds, as you said yourself, to view the Era image files without the use of iFile, all of which are external, and as a result, undetectable.

Also, Backgrounder is third party software for people that aren't upgraded to a recent iOS that allows them to background an application, and I'm sure a hell of a lot of Era users use that. According to our 'rules', we should ban them all too.

V. 08-07-2012 10:40 AM

Talon always has good stuff to say. I went in the Customs part of Era News and looked at the illegal heads and bodies. I've seen loads of those "Blob" bodies when I was new. Now they're illegal. Why?

Yephenpeace 08-07-2012 10:02 PM

Quote:

Posted by Higbey (Post 175049)
Ifile can be a good tool, so can a large knife,

Because people use it for bad things and it is affecting the game negatively, the app can block users with ifile. It's possible to detect and so far there is no real way to bypass it unless there's another app like ifile, which could also be blocked.


Basically, yes it can be used for good, but when there is no way to make it impossible to use it for bad then it is best not to even allow it, it's third party software used for viewing and editing. Stefan wouldn't do it, but he could, and personally I think it would at least help.

Jailbreaking is legal in North America, as well as many other places in the world. Being a third party app doesn't make it against the rules, it simply means it isn't endorsed by Apple.

There is illegal software you can download via Cydia, however iFile is just a fiile browser. It wouldn't be rational to block people who own any form of file browser.

Ignatius 08-07-2012 10:16 PM

Quote:

Posted by Chaotic (Post 174815)
We're more strict about staff heads for obvious reasons. If a player uploaded a staff head, they could impersonate that staff and trick other players into believing they are staff and scam/recieve account details from others.

I find this pointless, unless the players are too stupid to tap their screen and see if your name is gold, your not a staff member.

Rexx 08-07-2012 10:19 PM

SSH with Winscp or Cyberduck, no need for iFile.
Blocking iFile would solve nothing.

Ace 08-07-2012 10:20 PM

ifile is the best cydia tweak.


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