I challenge anyone to prove God is or isn't real.
 

Prove it.

hez reel bcuz ta bible sez hez reel

I probably shouldn't be posting here since it will most likely end in a long debate which I do not want to get into, but here it goes. It's not just Christians that believe in God. There are other religions that believe in God, but not Jesus being our savior. I believe God exists and that Jesus sacrificed himself on the cross to pay for our sins. One reason I believe God is real is because of how we are made as well as the world around us. Everything is so beautiful and constructed in a way that just cannot be possible to be created by itself. The bible itself is written proof of God and Jesus's existence. It's your choice if you want to believe it or not. I believe we all have a feeling in our heart that there is a God. I know it's hard to grasp an almighty being that created us and the world we live in, but that's why you have to choose to believe.

Close this thread asap.

Give me proof God isn't real.

The burden of proof lies on the believers.

There is no way to prove it, but saying that as it is, there is no way to pove science is real when its based on theories. I personally live my life without reason, I don't have the need to have a book tell me what moral guidelines I should follow or I don"t really need a scientist to explain how the Earth was made. I would have more to say but I really don't know how to right it out properly.

I guess :(

The only thing real is choice. You can't prove anything is real. Scientific theories are going to be re written over the centuries so science requires faith just like religion. It just falls down to your preference on if you want the cold hard most reliable answers to the universes creation or if you want to put your faith in a higher power linked with religious practices found in old books and be able to deal with high profile things like death and the point of life better.

I might believe Jesus, was a real man, but I don't know how any intelligent person could think someone could walk on water or turn water into wine. The Bible has no factual proof at all that God is real. The bible has been revised and rewritten so many times by people spanning hundreds of years. I respect your beliefs though but it stands on no factual evidence that any of it was real.

Close the thread because I don't share you're opinion?
There is evidence that strongly supports evolution, but not a shred of evidence that God exists.


Well everyone can choose to believe what they want, I wouldn't deny anyone that right. But are their beliefs backed up by evidence?

Well the belief of a god is compeltey disconnected from the bible as it is out of the realm of any understanding but it's not the evidence that motivates people to believe in religions but it's the lack of evidence in sciences explanations of the universe, or should I say "education" since scientific theories linked to philosophical ideas like the big bang are extremeley complicated and generally require a few PHDs here and there to understand fully.

Well I nor anyone can prove you wrong, but I just play with "if he isnt real I have lost nothing, if he is you have lost everything".

Graalians shouldn't be a place where we share our believes.
You are able to state your own opinion, but please do not judge anyones religions.
Im sorry, but this is rude and shouldn't be allowed.

I disagree, I'd guess over a majority of people that are religious are because that's the way they were raised and told to believe.

I don't see anyone being rude or making personal insults, again just because you don't share the same opinion doesn't mean it's rude. I think you are just uncomfortable about the topic or overly sensitive.

haha, Mr.Simons,
"If he isnt real I have lost nothing, if he is you have lost everything."
thats awesome. +rep.

This shouldn't be a place to share beliefs? It's a forum, that's the exact point of it.

Interesting how that single idea seems to be the underlying motivation behind so many people though. When I was Christian I used to have that a motivation, but now I see that the whole, "hell" thing is more of a fear tactic to keep people in than anything else.

I personally have a lot of trouble believing but try to because of the whole hell idea, Im not willing to take a risk with it.

simon that sounds line braveheart

I heard it from some Asian dude who is a complete extremist about religion.

Wait what? o.o
You try to believe because of the idea of hell? Your sentence structure makes it hard to understand what you're trying to say.

Basically I think he's saying since they both require faith and he doesn't want to take a chance of burning for all eternity. (what a nice god though...)

If de sun iz a ster? Y iz it round?
Athies 0 Chrisans 1
No, but in all seriousness, I admit, I cannot prove nor can I disprove God's existence.

It's pointless trying to prove any things existence. You can't prove there is a god just as much as much you can't prove your reality isn't the matrix. It's understanding what you see and making choices in it that are real, nothing else. That's why this whole religious debate is tricky. Everything's so slippery when you aren't a world class PHD genious that can fully comprehend the math behind the big bang and justify that a god isn't needed apparently. But again, science that is complicated beyond explanation (like so) is indistinguishable from magic.

Also I find it strange how you specifically targeted this thread at Christians Rexx... Theres literally hundereds of religions around the world that believe in some form of god or multiple gods..

Yes, I completely agree.

First you must accept that science is fact, which is the general consensus of most people with at least some intelligence. Science when understood makes sense and is based on set principles.
(I don't mean you personally btw, lol)

Christians (Muslims as well) believe their God is the creator and the only God in existence. What makes the Christian God any different than say the Greek Gods who we make a mockery of as we know its scientifically proven that the weather isn't controlled by "gods"
Nobody can factually make a statement one way or the other, but it's only a matter of time before science catches up, it's always progressing.

Okay dude hold up... Sciences explanation to the universe is fact? That's just as bad as saying Zeus is real! Theories are VERY, VERY different than facts. I probably know more about these theories than you as I have spent many years researching them as well as Christianity. . Again it's all a point of preference since its all relative and in the public eye science is far far too complicated to understand though and that's why people disregard it as insufficient , that's why there's so many religions.

Maybe fact was the wrong word, if you accept science as evidence then yes it could be considered fact when all questions are answered.

The reverse can also be applied to religion. Believers of religion accept the teachings of their holy books as factual evidence.

Yes but some of the stories in the bible cannot possibly be true. Do you believe in the talking snake or a man who lived inside a whale and some how all these stories were witnessed and recorded by someone?

I'm not saying I believe its true, I'm not saying I don't - I'd rather my religious outlook to be kept to myself. But, if they believe it, they believe it. That's their problem or choice to believe it or not. If they do, it's fact to them.

Itd take too much effort giving all the proof there is to a one-direction mind. obviously you arent going to change your belief even if someone took the time to write a novel here. this simply sounds like a christian-bashing thread and i consider it rather rude.

but to humor you with something easier to explain, i will prove theres no such thing as an atheist.

Atheists proclaim that God, or a god, does not exist. saying that something doesnt exist is what scientists call a "universal negative." to prove a universal negative, one must literally know EVERYTHING (omniscient). but wait! only God, or a god, can be omniscient. so by trying to prove that God doesnt exist (a universal negative), atheists are calling themselves gods for knowing everything. :0

MIND~>BLOWN

hell, dont want to get involved on this, but this is how I look at it

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj...9ce5o1_500.jpg

Atheism is not a belief but a conclusion based on reasoning and the evidence provided (or lack of) that God isn't real. You don't have to live by Atheism as you do with religion.
I don't see where I'm bashing Christianity, you're only taking offence to it because it makes sense.

Although the one problem I do have is tolerating some ways of teaching religion. The idea supporting something as fact because you were brought up to believe it is as a child and nothing else is just not healthy. It's so easy to permenatley manipulate someones world view that way. If people want their child to be religious they should grow up and teach themselves to be religious. I was brought up to be Christian this way so I know how powerful this can be. I still shudder at the sound of the word "hell". It's almost like brainwashing.

and the debate goes on....

I only jump in these things so often because i find debating fun. Lol.

Well I guess you can say indoctrination is the most powerful propaganda tool in the world.

you say you arent bashing but you seem rather intent to bat people down. why else would you post this?

and all religions live by faith (no proof needed), thats why theyre called "beliefs"

and just wondering, why do atheists target christianity when its a minority? there are over a billion muslims and no one addresses them.

Yeah. I guess we're all indoctrinated into humanity though so its just a matter if what you are indoctrinated into. And wow I had a lot of typos in that last paragraph. I need to go to sleep its 2 AM.. xD

Maybe because Christians are always targeting athiests.

im sorry? who started this thread? o ya rexx not me

It's called debating and having a mildly intelligent back and forth conversation, I'm sorry you can't comprehend or handle that without it having to be an argument.

And man don't even get me started on Islam, I might actually start bashing at that point.

Christianity has over 2 billion followers. It's not a minority. And to your atheist thing, I agree that atheism itself is irrational because the idea of a supernatural being is outside of all ways of thinking. But that doesn't mean all non religious people are atheist in any sense. I don't get why almost everyone assumes that. And the world atheist sounds so negative. I want to be called a detective or something. Lol.

0-0 2billion is way incorrect im pretty sure. then again there are so many denominations... but anyway, lol at "detectives"

That's the disappointing thing :/
People see Atheism as not respectable or in some negative manner (can't find the proper wording for this).
I believe there are many Atheists who just don't realize they are yet and even more for Agnostics.

But what would you call someone who has no religion and no opinion on God? Dunno.

Not just in this thread, worldwide. You always see Christians hating on atheists and calling them Antichrists.

Now you're getting Muslims into this?
Sir, the Muslim God (Allah) is the same Christian, Mormon and Jewish God.

The proper wording would probably that atheism has a negative connotation to it (much like skinny vs. scrawny, in which scrawny sounds much more negative than skinny, though they mean the same thing). And for people that do not have any views on religion or a divine source, they're called non-secular.

Well honestly any religion can be discussed here, I put Christians in the title because it sounded better than God-believer.

There we go. Why is my brain not working?!

That's basically me xD and Im not undecided so I'm not agnostic. I'll have an opinion on a god when theres evidence of him besides lack of evidence to other theories, thank you very much.