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Pimpsy G. 07-10-2012 09:26 PM

The Ouya: A new 'next gen' gaming console.
 
Apparently, the new console, "Ouya" is launching in 2013 as a competitor. It is completely open and allows developers to do whatever they want on their console. And it even encourages hacking. All games must be free, as in a demo with an optional purchase option for the full version or using the free to play model. I'm not sure if this will be a success, but it definitely is an alarm that "Free to play" is a definite direction that the gaming industry is moving towards considering at the time of this writing it is getting $1000 donated to it on kickstarter PER SECOND. I'm not personally a fan of the idea but it does seem to be a significant movement in the industry. What do you think? Also, check out its kickstarter page and the video on it:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...o-game-console

Console specs: (not really "next-gen")
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Specifications:

Tegra3 quad-core processor
1GB RAM
8GB of internal flash storage
HDMI connection to the TV, with support for up to 1080p HD
WiFi 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth LE 4.0
USB 2.0 (one)
Wireless controller with standard controls (two analog sticks, d-pad, eight action buttons, a system button), a touchpad
Android 4.0

Dusty 07-10-2012 09:43 PM

Meh, when I hear "free to play" I just think of how the iOS market and Android marketplace ended up. Not many games are actually free to play, but more "we'll trick you into thinking it's free to play but waste your time/harass you."

Regardless I like what the intend with it, but people will **** it up and more importantly I doubt anything will come of it anyways.

Skill 07-10-2012 09:48 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 159070)
Meh, when I hear "free to play" I just think of how the iOS market and Android marketplace ended up. Not many games are actually free to play, but more "we'll trick you into thinking it's free to play but waste your time/harass you."

Regardless I like what the intend with it, but people will **** it up and more importantly I doubt anything will come of it anyways.

Agreed, I hate how free to play ended up on the app store. In app purchases basically ruined Gameloft's games.

They used to make quality games with a one time purchase. Now they make games with an initial fee of like $7, then charge for every small thing basically forcing you to buy it. If they do make a free game, it basically requires you spend money to play. Look at Dungeon hunter 3.

Look at Order and Chaos Online. $7 initial fee, $1 a month, and still incredibly pay to win as you can buy epic weapons with real money.

Haro 07-10-2012 09:49 PM

I cringed every time she said "on the television". Look's pretty cool. They are going to need a hell of a lot more than 1million bucks to generate enough steam and publicity for this console to thrive in a market where there one hope is the public itself, specifically the indie developers.

Pimpsy G. 07-10-2012 09:52 PM

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Posted by Skill (Post 159075)
Look at Order and Chaos Online. $7 initial fee, $1 a month, and still incredibly pay to win as you can buy epic weapons with real money.

It doesn't have to be free to play, they just need to release a demo. But really, it all depends on how its handled on release.... I will only buy one if its reputation goes up post launch.

Dusty 07-10-2012 10:01 PM

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Posted by Pimpsy G. (Post 159078)
It doesn't have to be free to play, they just need to release a demo. But really, it all depends on how its handled on release.... I will only buy one if its reputation goes up post launch.

Even demos end up trying to trick the consumer. All the time I see on the markets "Free!" or "<game name> LITE!" only to find out it's not a free game, but actually a demo. But instead of calling it a demo they'd rather trick people into downloading the game thinking they'll get more out of it then a demo. Even large publishers are doing that. I downloaded the Sonic 4 Lite on the iOS, because Lite was intended to be a free version of a game(you know, with ads or some other way to make it available) but instead it was only a single level... but of course it's a full-game download because they want you to pay for the rest of the levels. In the end though the game was nothing but a demo, but they don't want to be upfront about that sort of thing. It's all deceptive.

Rexx 07-10-2012 10:02 PM

There's no such thing as free.
free to play and open source makes it sounds like cheap crap to me.
edit: just saw that its Android based too? even crappier

Dusty 07-10-2012 10:15 PM

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Posted by Rexx (Post 159088)
There's no such thing as free.
free to play and open source makes it sounds like cheap crap to me.
edit: just saw that its Android based too? even crappier

lol.

MrSimons 07-10-2012 10:18 PM

I see free to play as ad loaded garbage where you listen to ads more than playing the game, as well as incomplete unless you donate or something.

Seeker99 07-10-2012 10:20 PM

step 1. configured wireless controller for pc
step 2. connect pc to tv
step 3.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2uc6dMbNT1qgq31j.gif

iHot 07-10-2012 10:34 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 159070)
Meh, when I hear "free to play" I just think of how the iOS market and Android marketplace ended up. Not many games are actually free to play, but more "we'll trick you into thinking it's free to play but waste your time/harass you."

Regardless I like what the intend with it, but people will **** it up and more importantly I doubt anything will come of it anyways.

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Pimpsy G. 07-10-2012 10:38 PM

Fastest kickstarter project in history to break $1,000,000. Whether its good or not its taking off. :/

Seeker99 07-10-2012 11:05 PM

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step 1. configured wireless controller for pc
step 2. connect pc to tv
step 3.
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http://i.imgur.com/awCZe.jpg

Dusty 07-10-2012 11:08 PM

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Posted by Pimpsy G. (Post 159143)
Fastest kickstarter project in history to break $1,000,000. Whether its good or not its taking off. :/

$1 million doesn't sound like very much when you're talking about mass-production hardware and distribution...

Rexx 07-10-2012 11:17 PM

this reminds me of: http://openpandora.org/
which I remember being hyped as some big deal and flopped because of production costs.

spades of feare 07-10-2012 11:24 PM

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Posted by Pimpsy G.
Apparently, the new console, "Ouya" is launching in 2013 as a competitor. It is completely open and allows developers to do whatever they want on their console. And it even encourages hacking. All games must be free, as in a demo with an optional purchase option for the full version or using the free to play model. I'm not sure if this will be a success, but it definitely is an alarm that "Free to play" is a definite direction that the gaming industry is moving towards considering at the time of this writing it is getting $1000 donated to it on kickstarter PER SECOND. I'm not personally a fan of the idea but it does seem to be a significant movement in the industry. What do you think? Also, check out its kickstarter page and the video on it:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...o-game-console

Console specs: (not really "next-gen")

Great... Gaming just got that much more casual

Jazz 07-11-2012 12:20 AM

If all the games are free to play...will they all just be small games like on iOS or Android?

I can't see any developer putting time into a full fledged game in hopes that some people might pay for in-game transactions, or add-on content.
Unless it will just be stuffed full of pre-existing games tacked on with addons and such.

I just want to see what types of games will be on here, and if it will just be an upsized App Store. :P

Pimpsy G. 07-11-2012 12:39 AM

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Posted by Jazz (Post 159205)
If all the games are free to play...will they all just be small games like on iOS or Android?

I can't see any developer putting time into a full fledged game in hopes that some people might pay for in-game transactions, or add-on content.
Unless it will just be stuffed full of pre-existing games tacked on with addons and such.

I just want to see what types of games will be on here, and if it will just be an upsized App Store. :P

Team fortress 2 went free to play. its amazing. So is tribes: Ascend, black light:Retribution, and pretty much every mmo on the market. You seriously haven't heard of any quality free to play games?

MrSimons 07-11-2012 01:03 AM

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Posted by Pimpsy G. (Post 159211)
Team fortress 2 went free to play. its amazing. So is tribes: Ascend, black light:Retribution, and pretty much every mmo on the market. You seriously haven't heard of any quality free to play games?

Don't forget Graal Online Classic.

Skill 07-11-2012 01:17 AM

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Posted by Pimpsy G. (Post 159211)
Team fortress 2 went free to play. its amazing. So is tribes: Ascend, black light:Retribution, and pretty much every mmo on the market. You seriously haven't heard of any quality free to play games?

Raiderz looks like it will succeed with f2p.

Pazx 07-11-2012 01:31 AM

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Posted by Seeker99 (Post 159176)

I can't stop laughing.

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Posted by Pimpsy G. (Post 159211)
Team fortress 2 went free to play. its amazing. So is tribes: Ascend, black light:Retribution, and pretty much every mmo on the market. You seriously haven't heard of any quality free to play games?

It's worth mentioning that Tribes and Black Light would be in the gutter without being pushed every single day by people like STAR.

Rexx 07-11-2012 02:10 AM

yeah but I'm fairly sure this little console wont have f2p mmo's

Pazx 07-11-2012 02:30 AM

It will have better versions of the ****ty games on xbox live arcade that let you try them out before paying $100000000 for the full game.

spades of feare 07-11-2012 03:27 AM

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Posted by Pimpsy G.

Team fortress 2 went free to play. its amazing. So is tribes: Ascend, black light:Retribution, and pretty much every mmo on the market. You seriously haven't heard of any quality free to play games?

Any mmo? The biggest is still wow. And its p2p

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Posted by Pazx
It will have better versions of the ****ty games on xbox live arcade that let you try them out before paying $100000000 for the full game.

If you mean indie, them you mean a whole 3$?

Pazx 07-11-2012 03:30 AM

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Posted by spades of feare (Post 159309)
Any mmo? The biggest is still wow. And its p2p



If you mean indie, them you mean a whole 3$?

On xbox. Wait for this piece of crap to come out.

Haro 07-11-2012 06:35 AM

http://i.imgur.com/75MEN.jpg

Seeker99 07-11-2012 07:45 AM

There is such thing as a wireless controller for your PC. If your PC support HDMI and a wireless controller you're set!

Dusty 07-11-2012 03:37 PM

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Posted by Haro (Post 159404)

Everything in that is pretty much BS meant to bait the unaware. Not that I feel that this OUYA is going to get off the ground, but it's senseless to spread baseless accusations, especially one as serious(and unfounded) as scamming.

fp4 07-11-2012 05:44 PM

If they can keep it priced at $90-100 and it functions well as a media box (Netflix, 1080p streaming) and also plays games/emulators (hopefully without any kind of modding) and provides developers an in-expensive console platform to test it's games I think it's great.

It's definitely not going to be a PS3/360/Wii killer but if I was choosing to buy an Apple TV, Revo, similar media box, or this OUYA gaming console. I would probably go with the OUYA.

Edit: Backed this project.

Pimpsy G. 07-11-2012 09:16 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 159179)
$1 million doesn't sound like very much when you're talking about mass-production hardware and distribution...

3.3 million now, will probably hit 4 million$ tonight. Its estimated to top off at around $15 million.

spades of feare 07-12-2012 12:01 AM

This console is going to basiclly be the app store on a console, welcome to farmville with a controller
Edit: if it supports mmo then i would CONSIDER. Getting it

Yephenpeace 07-12-2012 06:13 PM

This looks pretty neat. I'm still waiting for a well-established virtual reality console.

BboyEatsbacon 07-12-2012 08:28 PM

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Posted by spades of feare (Post 159647)
This console is going to basiclly be the app store on a console, welcome to farmville with a controller
Edit: if it supports mmo then i would CONSIDER. Getting it

It does support MMOs?

They're considering putting titles such as Call of Duty, League of Legends, and more on the console.

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Posted by Kotaku.com
They put up a survey and got more than 45,000 replies, according to an update on the Ouya Kickstarter page. Here are the 20 games that people asked for the most:
  • Assassin's Creed
  • Bastion
  • Battlefield
  • Battletoads
  • Call of Duty
  • Dungeon Defenders
  • Fez
  • FIFA
  • Final Fantasy
  • Grand Theft Auto
  • League of Legends
  • Limbo
  • Mass Effect
  • Minecraft
  • Need for Speed
  • Skyrim
  • Super Meat Boy
  • Terraria
  • Timesplitters
  • Torchlight


fp4 07-12-2012 08:41 PM

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Posted by BboyEatsbacon (Post 160206)
It does support MMOs?

They're considering putting titles such as Call of Duty, League of Legends, and more on the console.

That's a survey asking people what they wanted to see on it. Not actually interest from the respective companies on bringing those games to the OUYA. In their FAQ they do say there is interest from Mojang to bring Minecraft to the console though.

The platform will be adequate to provide MMOs for sure though, Stefan could easily port Graal to this platform if he wanted to.

MattKan 07-12-2012 08:44 PM

The more I hear about it, the more it seems kind of neat. And $100 isn't that bad of a price.

Imprint 07-12-2012 10:32 PM

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Posted by BboyEatsbacon

It does support MMOs?

They're considering putting titles such as Call of Duty, League of Legends, and more on the console.

Porting already existing games to a new console isn't going to do much. No one will buy the console because of a game thats already been released since they've probably already played it. This only will work for a system that changes the gameplay enough that the game will be played differently which this doesn't seem to do. I'm interested to see games that will be developed specifically for it in the future.

spades of feare 07-12-2012 11:00 PM

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Posted by BboyEatsbacon

It does support MMOs?

They're considering putting titles such as Call of Duty, League of Legends, and more on the console.

So cod is now pay per weapon? And if eve online and wow were onboarder maybe. But wow. Ill pass since 90% its going to be farmville

Skyrim will be pay per level up? Serriously. No decent developer gives away a totally free game if its a actual company game. Once i ses where you have to pay in the game is then ill be able to talk more

Abd serriously, like fp4 said. Its a want list. Ill be suprised if over 5 of those actully go onto ouya

The money will probably come from some online subscription that cost twice as much as xbox live gold.

fp4 07-12-2012 11:16 PM

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Posted by spades of feare (Post 160266)
So cod is now pay per weapon? And if eve online and wow were onboarder maybe. But wow. Ill pass since 90% its going to be farmville

Skyrim will be pay per level up? Serriously. No decent developer gives away a totally free game if its a actual company game. Once i ses where you have to pay in the game is then ill be able to talk more

Abd serriously, like fp4 said. Its a want list. Ill be suprised if over 5 of those actully go onto ouya

The money will probably come from some online subscription that cost twice as much as xbox live gold.

wat... your conclusions are illogical. srsly, "Gaming console doesn't have WoW or EVE, ****ing useless LOL, OGM."

They just mentioned possible business approaches for games on their platform, and that developers would need to provide a free/demo version to be listed on the official OUYA store/platform.

It's intended to be an open platform, there won't be any fees for users to use their platform either but I doubt they're going to provide features like Party Chat and the like.

Chaotic 07-13-2012 12:19 AM

Looking for my credit card to donate $100.

Jazz 07-13-2012 07:15 AM

How well would Skyrim or CoD run on a system like this? o-O

Unless Ouya comes with gaikai or onlive installed. lol

Seeker99 07-13-2012 03:11 PM

I really don't understand why you guys can't hook up your gaming PCs to a TV or large monitor. For $20 you can buy a device that lets you use Xbox controllers with it too.

Pazx 07-13-2012 04:19 PM

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Posted by Seeker99 (Post 160674)
I really don't understand why you guys can't hook up your gaming PCs to a TV or large monitor. For $20 you can buy a device that lets you use Xbox controllers with it too.

Why the **** do you keep telling us we can connect our PCs to a TV? That's pretty much common knowledge, and completely irrelevant to this thread.

Ace 07-13-2012 04:25 PM

The controller is epic

Seeker99 07-13-2012 05:05 PM

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Posted by Pazx (Post 160693)
Why the **** do you keep telling us we can connect our PCs to a TV? That's pretty much common knowledge, and completely irrelevant to this thread.

A good PC can play any game way better than a console. The Ouya has ****ty specs and won't even be able to play Minecraft with a good fps. If you want the best gaming experience then use something that has real power.

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Posted by Ace (Post 160696)
The controller is epic

Yeah the controller is pretty damn sexy

Pazx 07-13-2012 05:12 PM

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Posted by Seeker99 (Post 160709)
A good PC can play any game way better than a console. The Ouya has ****ty specs and won't even be able to play Minecraft with a good fps. If you want the best gaming experience then use something that has real power.

So, if you were to make a thread about iClassic/Minecraft/Xbox, it would be okay for me to come in and be like "LOL GUIZE CHECK OUT IERA/TERRARIA/PS3 SOOOOOO MUCH BETTER xD"?

Rexx 07-14-2012 11:21 AM

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Posted by Chaotic (Post 160285)
Looking for my credit card to donate $100.

damn bro, help a brother out here

iWarp 07-14-2012 11:34 AM

I wonder if its all what its hyped up to be.

Pimpsy G. 07-14-2012 05:03 PM

I really, really, hope you guys didn't waste $100 yet because of that fancy video they made. This article is really interesting and sends off a lot of warning bells.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...uble-with-ouya

spades of feare 07-14-2012 09:02 PM

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Posted by Pimpsy G.
I really, really, hope you guys didn't waste $100 yet because of that fancy video they made. This article is really interesting and sends off a lot of warning bells.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...uble-with-ouya

Win... Complete ouya fanboy soulcrushing win

fp4 07-14-2012 10:41 PM

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Posted by Pimpsy G. (Post 161378)
I really, really, hope you guys didn't waste $100 yet because of that fancy video they made. This article is really interesting and sends off a lot of warning bells.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...uble-with-ouya

If you look past the marketing, you're left with a $100 homebrew device with an open business model. This is where the value is for me, not expecting Activision to make the next CoD on it.

Reading through the comments there I found some sanity:

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This whole article itself is actually very subversive. It is written in a yes yes sell method. (First give two or three things that the reader may agree with, then sell the other points that are not so strong).

It starts with two points that spark debate at the moment:

Article: " It's claimed all games on Ouya will be free to play. This is not the case."
On the Ouya kickstarter page, first reference to free: "We're handing the reins over to the developer with only one condition: at least some gameplay has to be free."

Article: "Minecraft will be on it"
On the kickstarter page there is a quote and a FAQ entry: Is Minecraft going to be on it?
"Mojang has committed that Minecraft (and their other games) will be on OUYA -- but only if we prove that we can make a great product (that’s our job) AND enough people want their games (that’s your job). Show them with your numbers that you want Minecraft on OUYA!".

The first point being moot, the second has some validity, but only if you disagree that Ouya should not be upbeat on the chances of Minecraft joining. Still, these two arguments are worded well, so the reader may follow.

Then to the rest of the points made in the article in which a tone of cynicism is set that permeates throughout.

- Xbox dashboard lookalike. Why, is that a bad idea? Arguably the Xbox 360 online experience is the best in the business.

- Madden on the dashboard. Seriously? Even if you won't forgive them for being upbeat on 3rd party support, as others have pointed out, Madden is already on Android

- The survey with big name titles. Have you considered that they might use that survey of results and for the titles that score big, they go to the producers of those big titles to gain support. Remember, this is a kickstarter project, and the people they are surveying are people who gave this project their support. These are not console purchasers like normal consumers. If you wish to make the case that they are, and that kickstarter is misleading, then that is a whole different debate.

- The article suggests that an open system is more likely to be hacked. While there may be a bigger chance of that, it is worth noting that any system may be hacked, and that Android actually has pretty good protection in place against this. Contrary even, open systems can sometimes be the most secure, since there are more eyes on the system. The author then role-plays a conversation that is totally hypothetical. Remember, Android on Phones is an open system and still big parties have already invested resources into developing bigger titles for it. Android on phones is a heavily fragmented place, which is said to be the biggest reason that developers go for iPhone first. (development hell for 200 variants, complaining customers, no good single reliable payment system, multiple stores). Ouya does not need to have these problems, since it is a single hardware, single shop, single store system. That means it is quite a cheap place for even big developers to experiment with. I would say that not the openness of it, but the installed base is the first hurdle for Ouya to take.

The rest of the article I can only see as the author doubting the viability of the project, and he may or may not be right. Time will tell. I say that these guys should be given a chance, and that the right attitude for any startup project like this is being positive and adaptable.


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