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Tyler 06-20-2012 02:33 AM

Guide: Did I Make This?
 
NOTE: This thread is for the people who actually are confused about the terms of making/editing/stealing. If this thread does not apply to you please do not write a comment such as this being a pointless thread. I'm very aware a lot of people on Graal know these definitions and like to be ass holes and claim it anyways. This thread is for people who do not or would like to learn.

There are apparently many people on Graal who do not know the correct definitions of made/edit/stole. There are also those who do know and claim graphics as theirs just to be a thief. Well today I'm going to explain whether or not you actually made something.

"I recolored a head. I made it!" Yeah... NO. If you recolor someone's graphic you did NOT make it. You simply edited it. It's a very simple edit that only takes a few clicks and hardly any effort.


"I added a T-shirt onto this body. I made it." Not quite. You edited the graphic, but did not create it from scratch. Editing isn't bad as long as you do a large chunk of it on the graphic or if you get permission from the original creator.

Example:

"I used this graphic as a reference to help create an outline for my own. I made it." Yes, you did make it as long as you did not trace over the image or copy it to look exact. I use many reference and outlines from other bodies to create my own or even create my own outline and use it for my other bodies.

Example:
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/n...dyExample2.pnghttp://i300.photobucket.com/albums/n...dyExample3.png

"I created my own graphic from my original design. I made it." Yes, yes you did. If you created a graphic from your own design and by your own hand you created it.

Example:
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/n...dyExample5.png

"I took a graphic that someone else made and uploaded it. I made it." No. Just no. Stealing someone else's work is a really low thing to do. They invest their time to make it and you disrespect them by uploading it without their permission.


I'm aware I used my customs as examples and it's just because I don't want people getting angry for showing their design on here.


The point of this thread was to help correct some people who are constantly saying they made a custom but obviously did not.

Talon 06-20-2012 02:44 AM

Nice guide, but I don't think this problem extends to many Graalians on this forum. I would suggest putting it in a Tinyurl and putting that in your in-game status for more publicity to the people that need to see this.

Nice work ^.^ /)

Tyler 06-20-2012 03:10 AM

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Posted by Talon (Post 144486)
Nice guide, but I don't think this problem extends to many Graalians on this forum. I would suggest putting it in a Tinyurl and putting that in your in-game status for more publicity to the people that need to see this.

Nice work ^.^ /)

Thanks, and yeah you're right. I've only seen a few misguided people on here, but haven't seen them in awhile. I would make a tinyurl.com page, but I have no idea how.

Higbey 06-20-2012 03:32 AM

Unfortunatly staff do not enforce this.

David K? 06-20-2012 03:35 AM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 144520)
Unfortunatly staff do not enforce this.

I've seen a wood holding sushi shield that sideways looked like a long ... something else.
I'm not sure what exactly they enforce..

Remorse 06-20-2012 03:38 AM

People always steal my stuff .-.

Tyler 06-20-2012 03:45 AM

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Posted by Remorse (Post 144526)
People always steal my stuff .-.

Join the club.

Maikeru 06-21-2012 02:23 AM

So if i recolor a body blue and shifts its pixels all around, its considered that you created the body...

Wow... Idk how Admins still accept this..

Tyler 06-21-2012 02:32 AM

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Posted by Maikeru (Post 145244)
So if i recolor a body blue and shifts its pixels all around, its considered that you created the body...

Wow... Idk how Admins still accept this..

That's the example for editing not creating.

Maikeru 06-21-2012 04:46 AM

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Posted by Tyler (Post 145250)
That's the example for editing not creating.

I know what you said.. But thats not editing.
Its the equivalent of a recolor because all you did was recolor the body and shifted a few pixels.. So no.. You did not made it.

Thats like if i take Mario, recolor him, and move his pants/hat by 2 pixels to the left.. Did i made it? No

Tyler 06-21-2012 05:19 PM

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Posted by Maikeru (Post 145327)
I know what you said.. But thats not editing.
Its the equivalent of a recolor because all you did was recolor the body and shifted a few pixels.. So no.. You did not made it.

Thats like if i take Mario, recolor him, and move his pants/hat by 2 pixels to the left.. Did i made it? No

It's an edit because it's more than just a recolor. I know it doesn't take much, but it does count as an edit because it does have a quite a difference in look between the two. If it bothers you that much than I'll put a different example.

EDIT: Nevermind it won't let me edit my thread.

Skyzer 06-21-2012 07:04 PM

Guides like these shouldn't exist.

DRAN 06-21-2012 08:52 PM

Tyler, I know you said not to post a useless comment, but i'd just like to say that I really like that last example (samurai-looking body), good work.

Nice guide too.

Tyler 06-21-2012 10:04 PM

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Posted by DRAN (Post 145744)
Tyler, I know you said not to post a useless comment, but i'd just like to say that I really like that last example (samurai-looking body), good work.

Nice guide too.

Thank you, and it's not useless. I like feedback on whether or not the examples are fitting with the description I have given.

Maikeru 06-22-2012 12:37 AM

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Posted by Tyler (Post 145614)
It's an edit because it's more than just a recolor. I know it doesn't take much, but it does count as an edit because it does have a quite a difference in look between the two.

Yea but you didn't made it since it wasn't edited heavily. Again, all you did was recolored the body and shifted the pixels.

Heres the equivalent of what you're showing me, based on one of my old sprites (even though the example i posted looks somewhat weak):
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5247/maikeruu.png (Mines)
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/n...dyExample2.pnghttp://i300.photobucket.com/albums/n...odyExample.png(Yours)
You just recolored and shifted a few pixels to easily say that you can claim it yours and that you made the sprite.

Thats not an edit.. Comparing between the example you posted, it looks more of a recolor to be honest.

Post a different example of what you mean please

Tyler 06-22-2012 04:36 AM

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Posted by Maikeru (Post 145830)
Yea but you didn't made it since it wasn't edited heavily. Again, all you did was recolored the body and shifted the pixels.

Heres the equivalent of what you're showing me, based on one of my old sprites (even though the example i posted looks somewhat weak):
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5247/maikeruu.png (Mines)
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/n...dyExample2.pnghttp://i300.photobucket.com/albums/n...odyExample.png(Yours)
You just recolored and shifted a few pixels to easily say that you can claim it yours and that you made the sprite.

Thats not an edit.. Comparing between the example you posted, it looks more of a recolor to be honest.

Post a different example of what you mean please

I'm not claiming I made it. I know it's a very easy small edit. If someone asked if I made it I wouldn't say I recolored it because I did more than that. If someone asked if I made it I would simply say I edited the default body. I want to put this example below onto the thread, but it's not letting me.

Pazx 06-22-2012 06:40 AM

Unfortunately uploaders do not enforce any of this and recolours go through the system easy as anything else.

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Posted by Maikeru (Post 145830)
Yea but you didn't made it since it wasn't edited heavily. Again, all you did was recolored the body and shifted the pixels.

Heres the equivalent of what you're showing me, based on one of my old sprites (even though the example i posted looks somewhat weak):
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5247/maikeruu.png (Mines)
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/n...dyExample2.pnghttp://i300.photobucket.com/albums/n...odyExample.png(Yours)
You just recolored and shifted a few pixels to easily say that you can claim it yours and that you made the sprite.

Thats not an edit.. Comparing between the example you posted, it looks more of a recolor to be honest.

Post a different example of what you mean please

For like the 7th or 8th time, is English your first language?

Maikeru 06-22-2012 07:14 AM

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Posted by Pazx (Post 146012)
Unfortunately uploaders do not enforce any of this and recolours go through the system easy as anything else.



For like the 7th or 8th time, is English your first language?

Yes. Why do you ask?

Pazx 06-22-2012 07:21 AM

I asked because you're terrible at it.

Skyzer 06-22-2012 07:22 AM

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Maikeru 06-22-2012 09:40 AM

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Posted by Pazx (Post 146024)
I asked because you're terrible at it.

So you wasted your entire time on the graalians forums stalking me just to know my english?
Wow... It looks like someone really do cares about me then~

But seriously.. You just wasted a tiny portion of your lifetime for nothing..
Now please stop asking such stupid questions in the near future

Pazx 06-22-2012 12:18 PM

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Posted by Maikeru (Post 146072)
So you wasted your entire time on the graalians forums stalking me just to know my english?
Wow... It looks like someone really do cares about me then~

But seriously.. You just wasted a tiny portion of your lifetime for nothing..
Now please stop asking such stupid questions in the near future

I'm sorry, where did I even imply any of those things? Don't twist my words in a weak attempt to win an argument that shouldn't even be happening, kid.

Maikeru 06-22-2012 12:20 PM

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Posted by Pazx (Post 146113)
I'm sorry, where did I even imply any of those things? Don't twist my words in a weak attempt to win an argument that shouldn't even be happening, kid.

You're not winning either..
Now lets get back on topic, kid.

Skyzer 06-22-2012 01:33 PM

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Posted by Maikeru (Post 146114)
You're not winning either..
Now lets get back on topic, kid.

Holy **** you're a ******.

-edit
And I mean that you're a female reproductive organ... why is that censored?

Jester Lapse 06-22-2012 03:49 PM

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Posted by Pazx

I'm sorry, where did I even imply any of those things? Don't twist my words in a weak attempt to win an argument that shouldn't even be happening, kid.

Actually I'd say what he said in response to your hate post was quite accurate. You must enjoy him a lot if you're going to be his stalker. Is stalking your first hobby?

Tyler 06-22-2012 03:56 PM

Joy. Now I know how it feels to have your thread turned into a debate zone.

Jester Lapse 06-22-2012 03:57 PM

You're welcome. Nice guide ;)

Maikeru 06-22-2012 03:58 PM

(Suddenly, this topic shifted .-. Back on course)

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Posted by Tyler (Post 145966)
I'm not claiming I made it. I know it's a very easy small edit. If someone asked if I made it I wouldn't say I recolored it because I did more than that. If someone asked if I made it I would simply say I edited the default body. I want to put this example below onto the thread, but it's not letting me.

See.. That's an example you should've used.. It looks less of a recolor and alot more of an edit so yes.. I can say that you did made that one, not the blue holographic recolor one

Even though you did more than a recolor, players can spot the body's similarities in a snap second, making it feel more of a recolor than an actual edit

Tyler 06-22-2012 04:37 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 146230)
You're welcome. Nice guide ;)

Thank you.

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Posted by Maikeru (Post 146232)
(Suddenly, this topic shifted .-. Back on course)


See.. That's an example you should've used.. It looks less of a recolor and alot more of an edit so yes.. I can say that you did made that one, not the blue holographic recolor one

Even though you did more than a recolor, players can spot the body's similarities in a snap second, making it feel more of a recolor than an actual edit

Yeah, I probably should have used that. I have no idea why it won't let me edit the thread. I only have the option of quote and reply.

Pazx 06-23-2012 01:19 AM

Can't edit OP after 24 hours. Annoying, but I think it's probably necessary. For extremely long guides that will need editing it's worth reserving the first few posts.

Is that allowed?

MrSimons 06-23-2012 02:25 AM

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Posted by Pazx (Post 146113)
I'm sorry, where did I even imply any of those things? Don't twist my words in a weak attempt to win an argument that shouldn't even be happening, kid.

Stfu.

Also what is the point of this thread, graphic theives dont give a **** about the category that their graphic falls in.

Skyzer 06-23-2012 02:27 AM

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Posted by Mr.$imons (Post 146579)
Stfu.

Chill the **** out.

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Posted by Mr.$imons (Post 146579)
Also what is the point of this thread, graphic theives dont give a **** about the category that their graphic falls in.

I agree. This thread is pointless.

Unknown 06-23-2012 02:38 AM

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Posted by Mr.$imons (Post 146579)

Also what is the point of this thread, graphic theives dont give a **** about the category that their graphic falls in.


Exactly. Most of the people that steal graphics know they are doing it. Honestly it doesn't matter who makes it or not, it's still property of Graal Online so technically they made it. (in a legal sense)

Tyler 06-23-2012 04:36 AM

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Posted by Mr.$imons (Post 146579)
Stfu.

Also what is the point of this thread, graphic theives dont give a **** about the category that their graphic falls in.

Read read read read read read

I know graphic thieves don't give a crap. This is not directed for them. There are people who are actually just misusing terms. I put the note in bold and up front for a reason.

Quote:

NOTE: This thread is for the people who actually are confused about the terms of making/editing/stealing. If this thread does not apply to you please do not write a comment such as this being a pointless thread. I'm very aware a lot of people on Graal know these definitions and like to be ass holes and claim it anyways. This thread is for people who do not or would like to learn.
Quote:

The point of this thread was to help correct some people who are constantly saying they made a custom but obviously did not.


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