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MrSimons 05-28-2012 07:19 AM

In Game Recorder
 
Well I got this idea that can really boost the player count for Graal; So the best way to etmplayers is to advertise your game, the best people to do this are the players, but the majority of Graal related videos I find are boring slideshows which are really easy to lose interest in or videos made by small children filming their iPod with their mothers camera, which usually gives off lots of glare. Now this can be fixed by acquiring an in app recorder via Jailbreaking your device, however Jailbreaking is not convenient. So why not make an in game feature that will record in game footage, then when you are done filming the clips can be uploaded to your idevice camera roll. If this is included on either server players will be more willing to upload videos about Graal, players will also be more willing to watch videos about it. This can really be a boost to the games popularity, sure it will ad more glitch videos and such but those are probably viewed the most. Just an easy to add idea.

Kiwi 05-28-2012 07:26 AM

The in-app recorder that you're talking about is ScreenRecorder, right?

Anyway, this would be awesome, and perfectly do-able. However, I really can't see it being implemented, for various reasons. Someone else can post them, I'm too lazy.

Ace 05-28-2012 07:31 AM

jailbreaking is convinient

MrSimons 05-28-2012 07:35 AM

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Posted by Ace (Post 126875)
jailbreaking is convinient

Not. Really, for one it can mess up your device, two nothing there has been checked and approved by apple therefore can hold some stuff that will again mess up your device, and three, you can't get my updates or else you have to re-jailbreak.

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Posted by Kiwi. (Post 126868)
The in-app recorder that you're talking about is ScreenRecorder, right?

Anyway, this would be awesome, and perfectly do-able. However, I really can't see it being implemented, for various reasons. Someone else can post them, I'm too lazy.

Yes, and please post said reasons.

Emera 05-28-2012 08:09 AM

Graalhas screen recording compatibility on the PC, but I'm unsure as to if it would work on the iDevice and/or if it even has functionality to work there.

Skill 05-28-2012 08:14 AM

a built in screen recorder would be incredibly laggy on most devices, it would make you run very slow.

Pazx 05-28-2012 08:18 AM

This is a terrible idea for the reasons Skill stated.

Besides, if you want to record, go on the facebook client and use fraps or something.

MrSimons 05-28-2012 09:19 AM

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Posted by Skill (Post 126901)
a built in screen recorder would be incredibly laggy on most devices, it would make you run very slow.

Most devices.

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Posted by Pazx (Post 126902)
This is a terrible idea for the reasons Skill stated.

Besides, if you want to record, go on the facebook client and use fraps or something.

Most 9 year olds don't have a Facebook.

DragonRider 05-29-2012 06:09 AM

Then we will have no quality Graal YouTube videos. You might as well just put a windows movie maker in Graal too so they can edit it in game!

Twinny 05-29-2012 06:19 AM

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Posted by Kiwi. (Post 126868)
and perfectly do-able.

Not really sure about that. May cause intense lag at times.

Kiwi 05-29-2012 06:32 AM

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Posted by Twinny (Post 128197)
Not really sure about that. May cause intense lag at times.

That was one of my reasons why not. I meant perfectly do-able in general - as evidenced by the fact it has been done.

Twinny 05-29-2012 06:54 AM

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Posted by Kiwi. (Post 128205)
That was one of my reasons why not. I meant perfectly do-able in general - as evidenced by the fact it has been done.

So you're saying it's easy and perfectable doable except it can't be done due to issues?

You speak in contradictions >: (

Kiwi 05-29-2012 07:11 AM

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Posted by Twinny (Post 128216)
So you're saying it's easy and perfectable doable except it can't be done due to issues?

You speak in contradictions >: (

Nope. I mean it is perfectly doable, but would cause issues if incorporated into iGraal.

:smile:

xSuka 05-30-2012 04:21 AM

People always complain about lag and this would just make everything a lot more "laggy" #iPod2G

Rexx 05-30-2012 04:46 AM

You'd be playing at like 1 frame per second, lol good luck with that

Ace 05-30-2012 04:50 AM

How does it mess it up? I put my phone on steroids and now it runs 8x faster

Pazx 05-30-2012 10:48 AM

Use the damn facebook client.

MrSimons 05-30-2012 05:57 PM

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Posted by Pazx (Post 129046)
Use the damn facebook client.

That still requires another program to record, plus not every graalians has Facebook.

Talon 05-30-2012 07:11 PM

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Posted by Mr.$imons (Post 126877)
Not. Really, for one it can mess up your device.

I'm going to have to disagree. I've had three jailbroken devices (2 iPod 2G, 1 iPhone 3GS) over the span of - what? - 4 to 5 years? They haven't encountered any major problems at all. The worst problem I've had is probably a reboot loop on my 2G, and it was fixed within 30 minutes with no data lost.

Pimpsy G. 05-30-2012 07:24 PM

Puny peasants. PC for the win.

MrSimons 05-30-2012 07:25 PM

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Posted by Agony (Post 129254)
I'm going to have to disagree. I've had three jailbroken devices (2 iPod 2G, 1 iPhone 3GS) over the span of - what? - 4 to 5 years? They haven't encountered any major problems at all. The worst problem I've had is probably a reboot loop on my 2G, and it was fixed within 30 minutes with no data lost.

My iPod crashed a few days after I jail broke -_-

callimuc 05-30-2012 07:27 PM

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Posted by Mr.$imons (Post 129271)
My iPod crashed a few days after I jail broke -_-

It always depends on what apps you use and how much you modify (animated backgrounds on a 2G -> faster crash than with a normal background -> faster crash than w/o background)

Talon 05-30-2012 07:32 PM

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Posted by Mr.$imons (Post 129271)
My iPod crashed a few days after I jail broke -_-

Hmm, you probably downloaded some software that wasn't compatible with your firmware or something. Also, what Callimuc said.

Midori 05-30-2012 07:45 PM

The iPhone 4S, iPad 2, and New iPad all support AirPlay Mirroring. This is potentially a way to set up a video feed that could be captured without jailbreaking. However you need an AirPlay receiver and recording equipment to do that.

Example setup:

iPhone 4S => Wirelessly connected to Apple TV 2 => Video out connected to a computer with a TV/video-in tuner

Rezon 05-30-2012 09:14 PM

Hop on PC and download Fraps/Camtasia.

MrSimons 05-30-2012 10:38 PM

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Posted by Rezon (Post 129335)
Hop on PC and download Fraps/Camtasia.

That's not the point, I'm not asking how to record a decent video, I'm suggesting the game devs make an easy way to make a decent video for the people who don't know how.

Midori 05-30-2012 11:01 PM

While a built-in video recording feature would be good for Graal, it would be too much of a burden on the processor for the app to both run the game and record the video feed at the same time, so any recording tools would have to be separate or hardware-based.

Here are three ways I know of to record video from iOS devices:

1. AirPlay Mirroring [hardware] [best quality]
Using an iPhone 4S, iPad 2, or the new iPad, enable AirPlay Mirroring and connect your AirPlay receiver (usually an Apple TV 2G+) to a video recording tool such as DVD recorder or computer with AV tuner.

2. Wired video output [jailbreak] [hardware]
A jailbroken device can have TVOut2 Tuner installed and be connected to a video recording device that supports composite AV input. You need to purchase an iOS AV cable for this. Note that picture quality may suffer a little and video recording can hiccough a bit but framerate is good.

3. On-board recording [jailbreak] [software]
Purchase DisplayRecorder (3rd generation or above iPod touch or iPhone, works on all iPads), and it allows you to record your screen directly on the device and save it to your Camera Roll. Note that this does not support audio recording, but gives excellent picture quality at the cost of framerate.

All three methods will get you a recording of your screen, but either you need to purchase extra hardware, or the recording quality will be negatively affected. Note that methods 1 and 2 can also be used to mirror your screen live onto other displays such as a TV or a computer monitor that supports AV input.

The big difference between the first two methods and the last is the fact that the first two simply push the video feed out to another device to record. The video rendering isn't actually done on the iDevice itself, hence this can reduce processor burden and give better framerates. The last method, although most convenient, will cause a lot of "lag" because the video is recorded and saved in real-time on the device at the same time as the game's many processes (connecting with the server, syncing position data, rendering the graphics, playing the sounds, rendering the animations etc), hence everything adds up to a sluggish processor with choppy video.

And I use "lag" in inverted commas because lag (latency) refers to the game locking up due to connection speed issues with the server. Slow gameplay due to heavy processor usage is different to latency.

In the style of the great Steve Jobs:
One more thing...

The PC client for Graal already supports gameplay video recording.

Pazx 06-02-2012 03:41 AM

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Posted by Mr.$imons (Post 129418)
That's not the point, I'm not asking how to record a decent video, I'm suggesting the game devs make an easy way to make a decent video for the people who don't know how.

That will never happen. Get on PC and use Fraps.

Skill 06-02-2012 10:51 PM

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Posted by Midori (Post 129296)
The iPhone 4S, iPad 2, and New iPad all support AirPlay Mirroring. This is potentially a way to set up a video feed that could be captured without jailbreaking. However you need an AirPlay receiver and recording equipment to do that.

Example setup:

iPhone 4S => Wirelessly connected to Apple TV 2 => Video out connected to a computer with a TV/video-in tuner

Yes but compiling the video and saving it into a file as it runs would be incredibly demanding, vs using external hardware.

Midori 06-02-2012 10:58 PM

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Posted by Skill (Post 132008)
Yes but compiling the video and saving it into a file as it runs would be incredibly demanding, vs using external hardware.

This was mentioned in my second post:

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Posted by Midori (Post 129447)
The big difference between the first two methods and the last is the fact that the first two simply push the video feed out to another device to record. The video recording isn't actually done on the iDevice itself, hence this can reduce processor burden and give better framerates. The last method, although most convenient, will cause a lot of "lag" because the video is recorded and saved in real-time on the device at the same time as the game's many processes (connecting with the server, syncing position data, drawing the graphics, playing the sounds, displaying the animations etc), hence everything adds up to a sluggish processor with choppy video.


Winter 06-04-2012 09:45 PM

Midori is right. Screen recording is not and was never meant to be done on the iOS itself. Any application from an outside source (Cydia, DisplayRecorder, or whatever you people with jailbroken devices use) was never meant to run on the processor in the iOS, and therefore can cause numerous problems. An outside (wired) recorder would be a much better alternative, but the issue that still exists is the latency from real-time recording. You will end up with choppy video and gameplay while recording. Its pretty much bound to happen any way you look at it.

Dear PC users excited about the idea of downloading CamStudio, Fraps, etc... My computer has a built-in screen recorder with full screen, fixed window and mouse movement modes. Be jealous. ;]

ZyKo 06-05-2012 06:53 PM

Who ever thinks Jailbreaking messes up your iDevice are completely wrong.
Jailbreaking itself does not harm your device at all, it doesn't make it slow or anything, but if you are new to Cydia and don't know what your doing you can seriously mess things up. Don't download any un required packages and you'll be fine.


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