Scoreboards have no meaning anymore...
 

Here we go. Top 50 scoreboards? complete joke now. too many ways to cheat to get on them
-PK scoreboard: people are stealing and combing several ppls accounts together to multiply their stats... wow pathetic. not to mention the ppl who sword spam over mod warp points...
-Spar & Guild Spar scoreboards: way too many ppl on PCs. As stated in the "Top 10 classic sparrers" thread (ya the one that got 100posts on a few hrs...); PCers have unfair advantages and take up most of the spar board.
-Guild Tower/Fort Time scoreboard: using the FB server to get hours was too easy. Its an advantage thats not even available anymore. (yes ik its too late to separate hours from iphone, yes ik FB guilds dont care they have an advantage, yes ik no one knew hours were going to merge. no need to go down those paths).

so basically all the top 50 scoreboards are pointless.
My solution: GET RID OF EM! Just delete the button on the "Guilds" menu that says "scores". Delete the buttons on profiles that lead to spar n PK boards. Theres no equality so theres no reason to recognized on an equal level. Boosters shouldnt be recognized on same level as real pkers; PCers n iPoders shouldnt be recognized on the same level. iPhone guilds n old FB shouldnt be recognized on same level.

Sadly, ik this will probably never happen. So plz dont rage and disrespect my opinion like certain ppl did in my last thread. if u disagree, do so politely w/o yelling saying "THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA" with no solid reason. If all ur gonna do is rage n flame, GTFO PLZ! dont wanna hear it

Spar scoreboards never had a meaning. Sucked to begin with. Yes, there will be boosters for all scoreboards, but it's much easier for staff to catch them nowadays. I agree about the PC sparring. I don't want to cause a hate war between iDevices and PC in this thread, but I think there is an unfair advantage between the two. Tower guild scores were ruined recently, but nothing can be done about it now. So yeah I agree that they are all bloody useless. Might as well keep them for the remainder of the people who actually care about them though.

I agree but so many people would rage and complain. Even more than the merge I bet.

If you don't like the leaderboards, you aren't exactly obligated to look at them. Just pretend they don't exist. :)

I never really thought they had meaning, too many cheaters.

Agreed ^

This seems like a pretty common sense solution to me.

twilit.........




















Just calm the f**k down

sounds liek people are jealous, o0o0o0o

He's just mad. I didn't see anywhere that you are not allowed to use the FB client aswell.

Read his thread again. He is stating his opinion calling him mad is just you raging. He said state your opinion nicely not just tell him what he is.

What else is to expect if you make such a thread? People who are in the scores mostly like it and people which are not in the scores mostly don't like it. I would rather see an improvement stopping all the boosters and resetting them (if they can be found) rather than removing stuff like that just because of them.

I don't use any of the scoreboards and I still think they are useless. The tower one's were fine until recent Facebook merge since Facebook server was obviously much easier to get towers on. The spar I think should be something that actually doesn't involve a lot of the list being filled with people's second accounts. With a W-L ratio it could easily avoid multiple accounts filling up the list. Guild scores are fine how they are except of course you will get the occasional boosters. I don't think they scoreboards should be removed, but some of them should be changed up a bit.

EDIT: I do actually think pking and guild spar are ok since a lot is legitimate guild sparring and tower pking.

Explain to me how pc players have an advantage in spar

sorry if I seem mad, but this game is crap n it only gets worse. the only way they keep players is the rare, strategic update. i just want this game fixed!
btw i think this quote needs to highlighted here. im mot makin a new thread for it so feel free to comment on this too:

take it from the Era staff, our server sucks! but i dont wanna move to Era, i just want Classic to be better! so classic staff: cut the crap!

The spar scoreboard is the only relevant one and it's not meaningless. People who play on PC's don't have "unfair advantages" unless you count experience. The facebook client is **** and I get less ping on my iPhone. There are many iSparrers that would decimate most "PC sparrers" so where's the advantage there?

Can you do a better job? No so shut up. Considering most staff are not even paid and they have to put up with whiny brats like you on a daily basis I think they are doing a pretty good job. Keep up the good work guys! Also if you think the game is so crap stop playing, and stop filling up the forums with these stupid threads.

Do scoreboards in ANY game ever serve a purpose?

I wouldn't mind if they were removed. It seems like no matter what is done to make them seem accurate, there's always people there to get past it with their boosting and alternate accounts. When it comes to the sparring leaderboards I think there is also a disincentive to participate when you're high up on the list, which isn't really the point. I can't see it being done though; too many people play solely to have their name in lights.

Yeah I would like to just see them reset too.

They are much faster and walk through hits at times. Also you can't combo hit a pc like iphone. When you hit a pc once theres a little delay before you can hit them again.

if all ur going to do is rage at me.... then get. the. fuhk. off. my. threads! plz! no ones forcing you to read them.

and ik staff arent paid, but still Era is doing a better job n they arent paid either. thats my argument. y is the more popular server NOT the better one?
i will no longer reply to useless rage and disrespect. k? bye bye

thats the problem. everyone plays these games for the "recognition". idc. idc wat ppl think of me halfway across the world. they dont know me i dont know them. idc if my fake name is on a scoreboard for them to see; idc if their fake name is on a scoreboard for me to see.

I am really sorry but i have to disagree with you twilit. I dont think this will bring any good at all...

perfect example of "disagreeing politely w/o rage or dosrespect". thank you ma'am : )
yes ik it wont bring good:/ ppl would just nonstop rage. but its so stupid. people cheating n other crap just for "recognition"

Yes that is indeed not right... What i think would be idealistic is since almost everyone disagrees with such actions we should just not give the the recognision they want. Scoreboards are still very helpful if you are in search of a good spar or towertaking guild.

PC sparrers are actually at a disadvantage... Quit raging. iPhone players run 20% faster than the pc client(0.6 vs 0.5 tiles/frame for those wondering.

You rage and flame and I have no right do to so? ok. Also you're not required to view the scores so just dont bother, lol

That barely gives you an advantage, plus half the keyboards cant do that due to keyboard ghosting. (Hardware issue which conflicts with multiple keys pressed down). The only way to truly settle this argument is to have an unbiased opinion, someone who has used both devices..

About 80% of all of graal would argue against this :o the other 20% are PCers in denial.

Dear god twilit... Take a few breaths before going apesh*t on this forum..

First off, you do have a point. Whats going on with the leaderboards right now has been unfair because of the merging and boosting thats been going on lately but these are completely optional. Its not being thrown in your face but if you'd like to, take the chance to practice and probably you'll beat boosters and PC players in sparring.. Sounds hard but could actually be possible..

Second, ranting doesn't boast your argument. Insulting those who are against your suggestion/argument doesn't make you look any better.

Third, Graal Classic is not all about sparring. It never has been all about sparring. While most veterans do have a point that its supposed to be a video game (like LOZ) from the very start, the majority of the server pretty much made Graal Classic more of a social experience game.

Hell, Rufus tried to make it more of a video game by making Graal city a PK zone. But apparently, since every whiny player who rates GP's and pretends to be adopted babies complained about it, they put it back to a non PK zone because they'll never listen to the gamer's side... Only to the side that makes them the most money out of the bunch.

Imma end off my talk to you with the words of RYAN 12312 himself (not to piss you off but in honest word):

twilit..... Just calm the f**k down.

Handicapping!? Really!? You're considering Handicapping as a strong issue between PC and iPhone players?

The only problem with iPhone and PC is just that the arrow keys are smoother.. Still, they play in the same experience. Also, you can easily switch direction of movement by sliding your finger across the D-Pad on the iPhone/iPad.. So its relatively equal in some point

Also, Screen size isn't that too big to call it a serious issue.
This is basically similar to the guy that wanted FB spar players to be in iPhone GST tournaments because the vice versa of that got accepted.

because the majority of Graal plays on iPhone? Of course they are gonna complain about pc, they need an excuse for losing. In all honesty if the server was released on pc first ppl might have complained about iPhone clients. The reason pc sparrers usually do so well is because a lot of them come from having 10 years of experience on pc graal. you actually move slower on the pc client and it lags more... and the touch screen is far more responsive than a keyboard because of hardware reasons.

Twilit stop saying that every comment not agreeing with you is raging. You basically just want the whole thread filled with people who agree with you. Also if you don't care about scores why were you arguing so much about the fb hours being merged. Mellow out man, if it makes you this angry just don't look at them.

Don't even start with this. I said what needed to be said and I'm sticking with it. I have used PC before for recording videos if you have not seen. I know what both are like.

The devices are not equal and that's all that matters.

News: due to a error with the scoreboards they have been temporarily taken down.


never put it back up.


perfect way to do this and avoid rage, no one will think they are doing it on purpose and just think the scoreboard system got glitched.
everyone will forget about it eventually.

Look at daphne... She stated her opinion disagreeing with twilit and he was fine with it... Right when you see his thread and you disagree you start the name calling...

Lmao

What are you talking about I never name called. You did not read my post as I never said anything about people posting I was talking about twilit calling everyone that diagreeded with him a rager. If you do this one more time I'm just going to disregard your posts as you clearly do not have the cortousy to read mine.

Pc has no advantages...

That's a big laugh.

How? They complain when I win against them on my ipad.
Just pay attention to movement.

Already explained in my post, but if you don't feel like reading the full description here is a list.

-Screen Size
-Lag Reduction
-Controls

I'm honestly tired of even explaining them because people are constantly making up excuses. If the two were equal no one would be complaining, but they obviously aren't since people notice who uses PC and how they spar.

The ipads screen is a lot larger than a pc screen.
Also,they do have the right to play with whatever device they feel comfortable with.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-u2C7WmfA03...e-go-again.jpg

Screen Size is not considered a problem. Thats more like a made up excuse rather than a big issue because that has currently never been complained upon.

Second, Lag Reduction is an issue. You do have a point there. However, the reason is because the iPhone doesn't have as much power as a Desktop/Laptop. Regardless of connection, that sums up about it.

Third, the controls aren't an issue. Thats like if i have a PS3 DualShock controller and the other player has a PS3 Arcade Stick and we both play Street Fighter. Does that mean hes gonna win right away because he got an arcade stick? No. It comes from skill and effort. Regardless of control, all you gotta do is practice and spar. Its not the Controls that make a player stronger.. but from skill

However, the only thing i can agree with you on is the Lag Reduction on the PC but thats not the fault of the internet connection itself

I'm aware of the screen difference, but the iPad has the same controls as all the other iDevices. It does have an unfair screen advantage like the PC, but again has the same controls as iDevices. I'm just tired of seeing PC's on iClassic. Keyword on the "i". Worst idea adding PC to it.

Lag reduction is untrue. For some people there is hardly a difference between the two devices. In some cases it is better, however not always.

Controls are better? That is a 100% opinion to be honest. Spar with what you prefer, or whichever is more comfortable for you. Sparring with a computer simply because it has "better controls" does not mean you are going to be better. It takes a while to get used to. I have seen this happen firsthand to me, as well as a handful of others.

Tyler, I respect you as a player, fighter, and Graalian. However, I wholeheartedly disagree with your opinion on PC users. I have seen you fight (and evidently defeat) many PC users, leading me to believe you are a great fighter with the ability to overcome any of these "advantages" you list. It is not impossible, and the advantages of having PC access far outnumbers the disadvantages.

Twilit, you stated that PC players are what makes the spar scoreboard unfair. I believe you are mistaken. As I recall, you are a good PKer. I do believe you should be higher on the PK scoreboard. However, most of the highest numbers are scores from people who hardly ever PK anymore, or have gotten the score illegitimately. The same goes for us sparrers. Most of the scores I see on the scoreboard list people who spar once or twice every so often to keep their score on the board. The score is hardly accurate. Furthermore, people with higher scores do not spar as much, so better fighters have much trouble fighting hundreds of lesser skilled fighters for the same score a less inactive fighter has. Unlike the PK board, though, numbers can go up or down.

These problems are similar, but I do not see a possible fix for the problem other than to remove scoreboards completely. However, something tells me that will never happen...

how to fix this...

My main concern with PC I will be honest is the key technique where they can hold the the two controls and run in a straight line horizontally or freeze themselves in a lag appearing way. If they took away the ability to do that I would actually be much happier. I respect you in the same ways Shannon, but I am standing by my current stance on PC. Just from personal experience I do not view the two devices as equal. I've tried to look past the usage of PC, but whenever someone brings up the topic and asks for my input I post it and end up getting in an argument I try to avoid. If the device specific rooms are made and are successful there will be nothing more to complain about PC in the Battle Arena since a choice is made.

The controls I only have a problem with because of they key holding technique. As explained before they can manipulate a lag running pose and run horizontally in a straight line which I see used a lot and it is very annoying. The iDevice users cannot do this giving them an advantage. Screen size is an advantage for guild spar in my opinion. I have used it in a guild spar once and it allowed me to see my teammates who needed help and people coming at me easier. I mainly have a problem with the controls, but I dislike these other features as well. I guess since the iPad has a screen bigger than the PC view it isn't really a fair comparison.

Don't want to quote Tyler's post, so here we go:

You complain about our moves, correct? I've heard somewhere, or from someone, that they took this into consideration, and bumped up your overall move speed from 0.5-0.6. (I would really like a source/conformation on this.) This is about a 20% increase in speed, that is monumental. Players on UN have been known to bump up their speed from 100%-102%, just to get a slight advantage. Here you are complaining about PC players being able to move in a more efficient (may actually be more inefficient) way, meanwhile you guys are moving 120% faster than us. Cry me a river.

I don't call out iPod sparrer's over their advantages, but iPod players sure do love arguing. It all boils down to skill and thinking, just like any other strategy. Although these are slight advantages, the 'admins' have yet again catered to your candy asses and gave you what you wanted.

Btw, if someone slides down vertically at a 90 degree angle, heck maybe you should just walk in the opposite direction and whack them, since they are taking the longest route to get to another side of your character.

Edit: Just read your last post, talking about going horizontally, guess what? I can't even do that on the normal arrow keys, I have ghosting issues on my Razer Lycosa. I have to use IJKL controls to even do that, which is quite annoying.

TL;DR our 'special movements' give the slightest of an advantage and they have already compensated.

yall complain too much

Enguard > All

I'm just going to end this argument here because this obviously is getting no where. I would first like to point out the game is iClassic. Not PC Classic. If you want to go play that go here. iClassic was originally made for iDevices. I know some of the people on here who are disagreeing with me use PC so they're going to defend it. When I spar a PC user it's just not the same as sparring another iDevice user. It's hard to put into words. Experience says more than words. Everyone has their opinions and I believe PC has some unfair advantages over the iDevices. Say whatever you want or whatever reason you have, but I am standing by my statements. I will no longer be replying to anymore of these arguments on these two threads because it ends up no where and just becomes a pointless quarrel that just brings hate. I do like to hear the PC users side of view, but I don't always agree with it.

Getting nowhere for you because you've been outnumbered, outclassed and outsmarted. By the way, I press play now and it links me to the facebook app.