Unbiased poll for guild towers
 

Some kid made a rage thread with a poll asking if tower hours from fb should be completely removed, and made the poll answers biased. So here's an unbiased poll.

also votes are private unlike his thread so no one can rage at you for your choice.

Being that most people that play graal don't have an account this is pointless. This is just a "rage thread" against twilits "rage thread" lol. Mine is based on fact from different players all over graal. Anyone can make multiple graalians accounts and rig this thread.

god these threads are getting annoying.

And the whole poll is different from our thread. Seperate leaderboards not delete hours entirely...

Actually Rufus has ways of detecting alts.

listen up shrub scrub. first of all i nvr said "completely removed". what happens is up to admins. i just want fb hours separated from iphone's scoreboard. there are many ideas as to how to resolve this in other threads. 2nd my poll isnt private so ppl can see who votes for what. this protects against ppl from using double acc's and u can see that the only ppl who vote "no" are the PCers who used fb server. PROBLEM?!

and yes, as goten said, u pointing out that mine is a "rage thread" ur only raging at me urself. so its a lose-lose currently. if a neutral 3rd party wants to politely make a new poll with correct information and doesnt attack any one person, HAVE AT IT! everyones just gonna vote the same on all 3 polls.

HAVE A NICE DAY! :D

First off, I never named who made the original thread. Second, the poll options were completely biased and made whoever voted for no look akward. I almost didn't vote because of the extreme bias. Also putting things like that in the hands of the admins is never a good idea.


Pretty much all of SHRUBS hours were from iPhone, and I still voted no. So don't make the assumption that only fbers vote no. I voted no because people spent hundreds of hours working on fb servers, sure it may be easier, but it still took a lot of work.

its essentially the same as saying remove the hours of people who take towers late at night when only 3-5 are defending.

No the removing guilds that take towers at night is flat out stupid lol. And even that's still way harder than fb towering lol. Fb towering does not take hard work that is the thing, you can literally take a tower alone and hold alone for a decent amount of time. You take any tower alone which is rare on iphone, every big guild will rush to fort and fight for it. Fb is just a joke and always was.

No. When I tried taking forts on fb they had on average 4-6 people at each fort.

^Maybe when fb first came out otherwise no. The typical average recently is around 2-4. And depending on times forts are occasionally abandoned. I have seen empty forts a few times myself. You'd never see such easy opportunities on iphone.

Probably tried to earn hours before the merge.

Seriously, why the hell do people care?

Even if they were easy to get, the still got them.

We see all these 'top' guilds going on about how they need a challenge, and with these extra guilds that will be used to taking towers, they got it. And if FB towers were really as easy as you all say, these guilds might find it to hard and disband.

New players don't complain that their guild won't get anywhere when they start, and this is the same.

they all just find something to complain about.

No, you know absolutely nothing. What is the point of having about 15 DEAD guilds on leaderboard. The fb guilds are all dying already I haven't seen any with a tower besides exciled elements with mod 1 time... And before you argue that there are iphone guilds that are dead too, doesn't matter being that they worked MUCH harder and deserve to be recognized.

At night on the iPhone server I see 2-4 at most towers, and on FB it has pretty much always been at 4-6 at a tower whenever I look.

Explain to me how it is fair that admins can recruit 20 people to their guild pretty much instantly because everyone wants to join them, then tell them to take a tower and they pretty much do it with little or no action on the admin's part. Magic and Cruxis pretty much worked this way, and they kicked offlines. No effort at all on the leaders part.


Also establishing a guild on FB is incredibly difficult because there is almost no one to recruit, therefore just as hard as iPhone.

Point is there are lots of things unfair within the scores system, and everyone is just going right at the fb server people.

Goten you can't say "omg all inactive classic guilds deserved to be recognized". That is a complete disregard for people's feelings. Imaging you had spent months or years on fb server getting hours then someone says "nope sorry you are not important enough so you don't get to stay". You would feel pretty upset. Just deal with the fact that no amount of complaining, moaning or whining is going to change what has happened. They have to consider everyones feelings and in the long run everyone will die down about this where as the fb guys would be sore for ages. Also I don't understand why u are angry, eventually the leaderboard was gonna get like this merge or no merge. What would you have done then? Moaned about them? The point is you have a very narrow minded view and refuse to even think about others feelings.

Hey man I agree that admin guilds had advantages but you really think that'll be changed? And no man im referring to the guilds on the leaderboard. Tandoku, Trill, AF1 and much more. They just got there friends and took easy towers. And no there is not 4-6 I was on fb last few days before it was merged. Me and Ronnie would take sardon with a guild he had many times. In the morning we'd find towers with 0. That being said pretty much anyone could get hours on fb with a guild even if there a 1 man team.

No you clearly don't understand. All fb guilds stopped at 1k why? They want the hat they got it... So they don't need to just be dead waste of spaces on our leaderboard. And no fb guilds had long runs fb hasn't been around as long as everyone makes it seem... You can get 1k on iphone as fast as 5k on fb.

But Goten you are wrong our guild Fatal didn't so don't make broad statements when you clearly don't know what you are talking about. And as I said in my previous points, which you ignored, think how they would feel. To be honest I don't even think you read my post in it's entirety.

New Solution I thought of: Make a house like people have mentioned with the fb scores of all fb guilds with at least 50 hours. This way they'll have there own area to be viewed and won't be combined with a leaderboard that required more work to get on. Now all these fb guilds in the memorial would have to start from 0 on iphone. But to be fair to the fb guilds that "worked hard" and never made it to 1k there could be something done. Example: Say a fb guild had 600 hrs if they get 400 hrs of fort time on iphone server they'd be eligable for the guild hat. Also for guilds that had hours combined from both servers the fb hours would be put in this building and say they got 4k and had 1k on fb they'd be eligable for a hat. It's just that mixing two different servers leaderboards when the difficulty level is so uncomparable isn't fair. This idea would be fair because fb guilds would get there own building to be remembered, and would still have the chance to get the guild hats without restarting. Iphone tower guilds would be happy with this I would imagine.

This could work but to be honest there is no point. When the leaderboards end up like this in a few years people will be angry then, so this is only a temporary solution. I suggest just leaving it for x amount of time, and if people are still angry then something may be done. Just give it a chance you are all looking at a one sided view of things

unfortunatly there are no records since staff where careless, they dont know who had how much and what was what, the only way to solve it is to delete the hours of those guilds, we dont have any choice, honestly when you knew that it was easier on the fb server to take towers you shouldnt have done it, you should have known hours on the fb server are no where near as hard as on the iphone server, we know that for a fact, just look at the difference,

im in neither a tower guild on iphone nor a tower guild on facebook, i understand on facebook it still took effort,but when it comes down to it there is only two choices thanks to someone not being thoughtful and not having any of this stuff recorded, its extremely unfair, getting hours on facebook nearing made it so the getting guild hat per 1000 hours was removed, when it was known the server was going the staff re added the guild hats thing.

you knew it was easier, you knew it was unfair, you did it anyway, so really, you brought this on yourself.

No we didn't how were we to know there would be a merge. We aren't ****ing physic. We took forts on fb Originally for a break from classic but eneded up getting 1k. And why do you even care if you aren't in a tower guild? And you seem to think we all did this with some kind of malicious intent of getting easy hours for classic server. We knew nothing more than you all did, and any hours we gained were because of another reason.

lots of players said it was unfair, said that the towers were easier, im not a big tower taker but even to me just by looking at the statistics its obvious its easier, of course you knew this too, many guilds were made in facebook just to abuse this fact,

FB fort hours are a whole lot easier than iphone, no doubt, dont argue. but no one here is saying that those FB guilds shouldnt be recognized. FB guilds need to be recognized, but on a different board. i wouldnt mind having a dead scoreboard for hours that were on fb. the memorial idea goten suggested sounded weird to me but if its acceptable, ok. About the whole "no backup data" issue, well theres plenty of people who can remember for those careless admins. yes this will involve a large part of the integrity-system, which probably wont work well, but ppl DO remember these things.

But you are missing the point! The leaderboard will end up like this no matter what. I believe it's the fact that they got their hours easier that is what is making people angry. If the leaderboard was filled with dead guilds that got their hours on Classic I doubt many would complain. It's just the fact that they are from Facebook.

no, no one anticipated this. But now thats its happened, all the FB guild are saying "Yoohoo! our ez guild hours are now on iphones scoreboards so it looks like we worked hard when we rly didnt!" This is where "malicious intent" comes in. if you had no "malicious intent", none of you would mind that FB hours are separated from iphones.

We arent missing the point. Theres no point to miss. You are the one missing the point by completely ignoring our side of the argument. The other side of the argument is flat.

Nobody is saying this. And if you care so much about getting rid of these guilds get tower hours for all your guilds and push them out of the leaderboards. You are clearly just annoyed because these guilds are on the scroeboard and you feel they don't deserve it. Anyway lots of people complaining here have dead guilds that did it for the hat so they can stfu.

all the ¨top¨ guilds wanted a challenge right?now shut up and try surpassing them?

This^
Most of you are saying how much harder it is on classic. Well clearly you all have the skills to pass them so go do it. If you all really cared this is what you would do instead of asking them to be removed so you can get your coveted spots on the leaderboard back. Go on. If you are all so great overtake these noob guilds. Cause the way I see it they have done more than all of you combined. Get all your dead guilds back together and push them out of the leaderboards. But oh wait that won't happen. Because your guilds are dead. Why? Cause they did it for the hat just like the Facebook guilds. You all sound like nothing more than crying three year olds, that can't do anything for themselves.

This just proves my point of you being narrow minded so thanks for that

Wtf are you talking about? Shut up and stay on topic lol. The challenge was getting those spots on the leaderboard. Fb guilds dont deserve to be there.

So ur basically saying this:
FB guilds had 1/4 the difficulty than iPhone. but now that hours merged, iPhone guilds should work 2x hard to claim their spots back. So iphone should have to work at total of 8x harder than FB guilds to get the same amount of hours. AH-DURRR *drools*

i still am on topic.

Yep now the new challenge is getting those spots back and defending them instead of expecting to remain there forever, your deeds captured by your hours. This is what towering is about not getting a spot then expecting to stay there forever.

Ok if you honestly think fb guilds had to do harder work than iphone guilds you shouldn't even be here, you have absolutely no common sense if you think that. And think hard, IF I REALLY CARED ABOUT A DAMN HAT I WOULD OF TOOK REBELLIOUS ON FB INSTEAD OF IPHONE TO GET 1K IN 3 WEEKS. Lol

Well you are always going on about how you work sooo much harder so he's your chance to prove it. Unless you are admitting you are wrong and you would never do that would you? Also I did not realize you were ******ed (Hurr Durr) so I understand now why you are such an idiot

Where did I say I thought fb had to work harder? If anything I said they didn't. And if you didn't do it for the hat why'd u stop at 1k. Also you completely missed the point of my post which was that if you are all so great you should easily be able to overtake them instead of sting on these forums whining like a three year old

he never stated they were harder?re–read it until the message is clear to you.

he's just pulling random **** out of his ass just because numbers apparently matter in a game.

I have no idea how he came up with these figures in fact it seems like he just put down the first numbers that came into his head. Also I went through some possible sums you could have done to get them and I couldn't find any so stop making random stuff up. It just makes your posts less credible than they already were.

Dumbass read it again. "The way I see it they have done more than all of you combined". Didn't pull it out of my ass, reread it. This basically just says fb has accomplished more with there guilds than iphone. Complete bs

read the post before yours and tell me i'm lying.

There is no need to be so venomous, dont flame and don't attack so immaturely, I wont bother to debate if this is going to turn this way.

I don't think admin guilds should deserve tobe allowed to be competitive for towers, but you don't see me whining on every thread.

been like this ever since his guild hit 1k.

Does the post you quoted have ANYTHING to do with what you just said?...

Stay on topic, don't rage at me your not proving anything by doing that.

not raging?

I am back to my original post. Yes, for many fb guilds it was extremely easy to dominate as they brought an army with them, but I disagree with the fact you clearly dont realize how many guilds didnt have that "army" and struggled to get their fb hours. Again Goten, and you can't deny this for a second bc if you were one of them you'd want recognition for your acheivements. Not some house that shows them and a guild with 0 hours. Think about others for real.

They were seen and recognized by other fb guilds. I'll stick to what I began with, on a server they never towered on they shouldn't be on its leaderboard. And let's be truthful, fb guilds aren't getting any hours on iphone server so why should there hours from another server be here?

Let's just quit this topic. Era is better. K thnx bye

that made me laugh.

Mission accomplished.