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Engel 04-16-2012 01:59 PM

The KSG shotgun.
 
As you all know, there is a new shotgun, coming with a riot shield which prevents you from being damaged. The shotgun itself does three damage (two bullets), and the riot shield itself doesn't work that well.
It looks great, but it costs 75000 gralats and it just isn't worth it. What I'm trying to say; what are your opinions and shouldn't it do more damage or work better? (the riot shield)

Bas! 04-16-2012 02:08 PM

i dont have it, but i agree that it might do a lil more dmg or that it should be sold cheaper in the store.

Ace 04-16-2012 02:40 PM

I don't think so. It's hard taking out a riot shield with a bar when they just keep looking at your direction.

Elusive 04-16-2012 03:07 PM

I agree with Ace..

Bas! 04-16-2012 03:33 PM

riot shield doesnt always block the bullets? i killed someone with desert eagle, while he had a riot shield.

NinjAssassin 04-16-2012 03:41 PM

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Posted by Bas! (Post 96699)
riot shield doesnt always block the bullets? i killed someone with desert eagle, while he had a riot shield.

I ran into the same thing, beat KSG with my M4 with him facing me the whole time.

Engel 04-16-2012 03:43 PM

It doesnt block the bullets at all. If a bar keeps shooting at him, at the fourth shot or so the the KSG wielder will receive damage, his shield will disappear due to the damage taken (you know what I mean....?) and it won't block bullets untill the KSG moves... I have it, and it's true..

NinjAssassin 04-16-2012 03:55 PM

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Posted by Engel (Post 96708)
It doesnt block the bullets at all. If a bar keeps shooting at him, at the fourth shot or so the the KSG wielder will receive damage, his shield will disappear due to the damage taken (you know what I mean....?) and it won't block bullets untill the KSG moves... I have it, and it's true..

So its basically extra armor for your front? And moving causes the shield to replenish?

Engel 04-16-2012 04:43 PM

It does, in some sort of way, replenish. and it's not extra armor, it's an unlimited shield that just doesn't work that well. It should be upgraded (more damage? A better functioning shield?) because now it just doesn't work. for 75000 you can buy tons of weapons that are better than the KSG.

snk 04-16-2012 04:50 PM

The KSG Shotgun is great in close combat, it deals heavy damage (as like all other shotguns) if used in a close combat.

There is a 30% chance of being hurt with the KSG. Before I released it, I played with it for an hour or so to test and I noticed the following:

Bad ass in close to close combat
Not good from a distance, and rather slow

Bas! 04-16-2012 05:02 PM

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Posted by snk (Post 96737)
The KSG Shotgun is great in close combat, it deals heavy damage (as like all other shotguns) if used in a close combat.

There is a 30% chance of being hurt with the KSG. Before I released it, I played with it for an hour or so to test and I noticed the following:

Bad ass in close to close combat
Not good from a distance, and rather slow

How much damage is heavy damage? :/

Engel 04-16-2012 05:15 PM

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Posted by snk (Post 96737)
The KSG Shotgun is great in close combat, it deals heavy damage (as like all other shotguns) if used in a close combat.

There is a 30% chance of being hurt with the KSG. Before I released it, I played with it for an hour or so to test and I noticed the following:

Bad ass in close to close combat
Not good from a distance, and rather slow

It does 3 damage, (is that heavy...?) and for 75000 gralats it's just not good enough. I bought it in an auction, but otherwise I would never have bought it. If an M4 (which costs less than 75000, and its strength is based on its ability to move freely while shooting, almost no freeze) and the KSg would shoot at each other from very close, the M4 would still win. So, please consider to upgrade it, or make it cheaper. (I really hope for the upgrade, and not for the KSG to become less expensive ;P)

{L*}(SKorpionz) 04-16-2012 05:38 PM

Lower price!
 
I waisted my money on the AP0 for the same price of the KSG shotgun and wish that I had saved it for this new gun. Please lower the price if anything or I might not be able to get it :)

Shock 04-16-2012 06:15 PM

From what I see, I think the only problem is the spread.

Engel 04-16-2012 06:17 PM

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Posted by Shock (Post 96761)
From what I see, I think the only problem is the spread.

And why would the spread be the problem...?
It's the damage and the the shield itself combined with the price it costs.

Shock 04-16-2012 07:48 PM

I don't know... A 30% chance isn't too bad for blocking bullets, as long as it works right. I think the spread should be wider, so the bullets have a better chance of hitting. Anyway, maybe the damage could be 1-3 points higher... But I haven't had the money to try it out...

snk 04-16-2012 08:43 PM

Sorry forgive me, It has 70% block lol

BboyEatsbacon 04-16-2012 08:46 PM

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Posted by Shock (Post 96761)
From what I see, I think the only problem is the spread.

It's a shotgun...

Shock 04-16-2012 09:07 PM

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Posted by BboyEatsbacon (Post 96821)
It's a shotgun...

I meant the spread too small/tight.

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Posted by snk (Post 96817)
Sorry forgive me, It has 70% block lol

Lol you just said it backwards. Before you said 30% chance of getting hurt. 70% chance of blocking. It's the same thing.

Oh wait, correction. I made the mistake. Sorry, snk.

Engel 04-16-2012 10:37 PM

I'm just trying to clarify why a shotgun which costs 75000 gralats just doesn't seem to be as good as you woul think for that amount of money... Like 80% chance of blocking and 6 damage per bullet seems better for me. This might be 'overpowered' but so is an M4, (ehile it costs less than 75000) a shipka, PBP and bar... Please make the KSG better ;)

Nabu Lapse 04-16-2012 11:32 PM

It alright, my brother has it on his iPad i only dislike it when people use it in spar and think there really good even though the reality is this.http://static.desktopnexus.com/thumb...gthumbnail.jpg

Jester Lapse 04-17-2012 12:04 AM

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Posted by Engel
It does 3 damage, (is that heavy...?) and for 75000 gralats it's just not good enough. I bought it in an auction, but otherwise I would never have bought it. If an M4 (which costs less than 75000, and its strength is based on its ability to move freely while shooting, almost no freeze) and the KSg would shoot at each other from very close, the M4 would still win. So, please consider to upgrade it, or make it cheaper. (I really hope for the upgrade, and not for the KSG to become less expensive ;P)

It does 7 dmg per bullet. 14 up close. Each bullet counts as its own damage. It's good if used up close as snk said. It's the only weapon that shoots and dodges at this time. You're lucky to even buy it and not have it as an auction only gun. Stop complaining

Cigam 04-17-2012 12:20 AM

Well now that the gun and the shielf were already released that way and people have already purchased it, i'm predicting your suggestions won't be happening unless the staff update all the owner's KSGs.

Engel 04-17-2012 05:00 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 96988)
It does 7 dmg per bullet. 14 up close. Each bullet counts as its own damage. It's good if used up close as snk said. It's the only weapon that shoots and dodges at this time. You're lucky to even buy it and not have it as an auction only gun. Stop complaining

Jester, with all respect, I got it and it does 3 damage per bullet and not 7. And by the way; I got it in an auction, so I'm not complaining about anything, I'm just being realistic.

Jester Lapse 04-17-2012 05:47 PM

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Posted by Engel
Jester, with all respect, I got it and it does 3 damage per bullet and not 7. And by the way; I got it in an auction, so I'm not complaining about anything, I'm just being realistic.

Maybe you should upgrade it then :o

Jacen Bonteri 04-17-2012 06:06 PM

They make the new guns overpriced, very weak and sucky, so people buy gralat packs to make Stefan and Unixmad happy >.>

Engel 04-18-2012 07:17 AM

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Posted by Jacen Bonteri (Post 97477)
They make the new guns overpriced, very weak and sucky, so people buy gralat packs to make Stefan and Unixmad happy >.>

That might be, but I really try to convince people to see that the shotgun should do more damage at the least (3 damage per bullet...?!)

BEH0LD iTz SAM 04-18-2012 10:03 AM

Perfect it does 8 damage, 3 damage PER BULLET shotguns are good for close comba because each bullet does its own set of damage, its set damage if both bullets hit is 6, 8 perfect, the riot shield does block, if ur hit move forward or shoot and your shield goes back up, so yea, i still need the repair shop tho since mine only does / damage, 1 per bullet, i recieved it rusty Dx

Also guys what are you on about, more spread is crap, if its more spread chances itll only do 3-4 damage, it does 6-8 since they both are close together, so ignore what theyre saying xD

Craftz Cheese 04-18-2012 11:00 AM

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Posted by snk (Post 96737)
The KSG Shotgun is great in close combat, it deals heavy damage

3 damage isnt really heavy

BEH0LD iTz SAM 04-18-2012 12:42 PM

Did you read what i said...

Engel 04-18-2012 01:00 PM

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Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM (Post 97976)
Perfect it does 8 damage, 3 damage PER BULLET shotguns are good for close comba because each bullet does its own set of damage, its set damage if both bullets hit is 6, 8 perfect, the riot shield does block, if ur hit move forward or shoot and your shield goes back up, so yea, i still need the repair shop tho since mine only does / damage, 1 per bullet, i recieved it rusty Dx

Also guys what are you on about, more spread is crap, if its more spread chances itll only do 3-4 damage, it does 6-8 since they both are close together, so ignore what theyre saying xD

Okay, but since you almost never hit both bullets (freeze, easy to dodge) isn't it really overpriced? I like it, I just want it to be somewhat better, because for 75000, as I said, it kind of sucks. It takes forever to gather that, and then you notice there are a lot of way cheaper weapons which are better...

Jester Lapse 04-18-2012 01:43 PM

Then you shouldn't have bought it. Dot you guys get tired complaining after every single update? I saw we take away all the guns except pistols so you guys can appreciate the work our staff does for you

Shock 04-18-2012 05:42 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 98061)
Then you shouldn't have bought it. Dot you guys get tired complaining after every single update? I saw we take away all the guns except pistols so you guys can appreciate the work our staff does for you

I complain once every 5.3 updates. I say my peice and let it go.

Engel 04-18-2012 09:36 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 98061)
Then you shouldn't have bought it. Dot you guys get tired complaining after every single update? I saw we take away all the guns except pistols so you guys can appreciate the work our staff does for you

Ok...? I'm just trying to make people (yes, including staff) aware of the fact it's overpriced.
I got it myself for just 24K, which is a good price, but I'm speaking for the people who bought it for 75000... Just because you didn't buy it and have nothing to complain about, doesn't mean I can't... And with that; what does the price of the gun have to do about my appreciation of the staff team?

Jester Lapse 04-18-2012 09:55 PM

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Posted by Engel
Ok...? I'm just trying to make people (yes, including staff) aware of the fact it's overpriced.
I got it myself for just 24K, which is a good price, but I'm speaking for the people who bought it for 75000... Just because you didn't buy it and have nothing to complain about, doesn't mean I can't... And with that; what does the price of the gun have to do about my appreciation of the staff team?

And what if I did buy it and you're just making up stories to make your point seem more valid? Lol. It has a damn shield with 70-80% block. Like I said before you're lucky it's not an auction only item going for 100k

Engel 04-18-2012 10:28 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 98239)
And what if I did buy it and you're just making up stories to make your point seem more valid? Lol. It has a damn shield with 70-80% block. Like I said before you're lucky it's not an auction only item going for 100k

Well, then buy it and check it out! ;)
And now you're making up stories, because its 70% and not (-80%)... And I would be happy if it was auction only, then I would be one of the few to have it. Oh, and lets not fight about this?

Billy 04-19-2012 08:27 AM

There's nothing wrong with KSG...It's a legit gun especially for basing...Like I always say. "Don't Blame The Gun."

Engel 04-19-2012 08:46 AM

If everyone says it the problem probably has to do with me ^^

BEH0LD iTz SAM 04-19-2012 10:04 AM

The bullet both do hit... Its called shooting AT them.

snk 04-19-2012 03:49 PM

To make it clear guys,

Stefan and Unixmad don't set the prices. They can ask me to change them, and the only time they have ever done this is when I released a bunch of hats when Era opened.

We discuss the prices of new things on the RC. I usually go for higher prices, and then staff members talk me down =p

Jester Lapse 04-19-2012 03:52 PM

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Posted by Engel
Well, then buy it and check it out! ;)
And now you're making up stories, because its 70% and not (-80%)... And I would be happy if it was auction only, then I would be one of the few to have it. Oh, and lets not fight about this?

So basically it's a bamboo rod with range, which makes it better in a sense and you don't have to earn ec for it :p

Engel 04-19-2012 10:59 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 98536)
So basically it's a bamboo rod with range, which makes it better in a sense and you don't have to earn ec for it :p

Eh, I guess so xD

{L*}(SKorpionz) 04-22-2012 11:28 PM

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Posted by {L*}(SKorpionz) (Post 96748)
I waisted my money on the AP0 for the same price of the KSG shotgun and wish that I had saved it for this new gun. Please lower the price if anything or I might not be able to get it :)

NEVERMIND: I got the gun and i think that it is awesome... but... the damage is really bad! It should shoot more bullets or increase the dammage becasue it isnt $75,000 worth yet :)

Engel 04-22-2012 11:47 PM

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Posted by {L*}(SKorpionz) (Post 100488)
NEVERMIND: I got the gun and i think that it is awesome... but... the damage is really bad! It should shoot more bullets or increase the dammage becasue it isnt $75,000 worth yet :)

Lol, I agree with you, but we can't change anything -.-

BabyGhost 04-23-2012 01:47 AM

I'm still saving for this gun. It can be useful to protect your allies and members as they move forward to the "flag".

BEH0LD iTz SAM 04-24-2012 11:52 AM

Ya like jester said and babyghost you can just use it as a shield instead of a gun, i like it because i can protect my newb classic friends who i persuade to join from peopls. While your moving which the bamboo cant do.


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