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iC* 03-23-2012 07:06 PM

Not fair GSTs
 
I think they should get ranked GSTs because I think most of us know that US is probably going to win for the rest of graal eternity and I mean US has good people. Nice people. But they own so badly I about rage quit. Some might agree with me. Some might disagree. Some might be hatin. Some might be... ... ... idk. I wonder what Rufus has to say about this... :0

Frederick 03-23-2012 07:09 PM

I'm pretty much a fan of them, instead of hating them :P.

iC* 03-23-2012 07:17 PM

No Im not hatin :P Im just saying they are too pro for the GST

qes 03-23-2012 07:58 PM

lol... they are cocky enough posts like this give them a reason to be cocky. gj. (some members)

Rufus 03-23-2012 08:21 PM

Really hate statements like this. We are the underdogs, always have been.

God 03-23-2012 08:38 PM

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Posted by Rufus (Post 84073)
Really hate statements like this. We are the underdogs, always have been.

un·der·dog *(ndr-dôg, -dg)
n.
1. One that is expected to lose a contest or struggle, as in sports or politics.
2. One that is at a disadvantage.




n
1. the competitor least likely to win a fight or contest
2. a person in adversity or in a position of inferiority




Because everyone always expects US to lose the GST.

Rufus 03-23-2012 08:43 PM

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Posted by Goblin (Post 84083)
Because everyone always expects US to lose the GST.

People only expect us to win because we've won in the past. Things change and people shouldn't really expect an automatic victory, it's a rather uneducated assumption. There's a new challenge in every tournament. I consider us underdogs in everything we do, but I wouldn't if there really was no competition on the server.

God 03-23-2012 08:45 PM

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Posted by Rufus (Post 84089)
People only expect us to win because we've won in the past. Things change and people shouldn't really expect an automatic victory, it's a rather uneducated assumption. There's a new challenge in every tournament. I consider us underdogs in everything we do.

How you consider yourself doesnt change the way how everyone else considers you.

Nothings changed, you guys have won alot.

You guys are all very pro.

You are nothing close to the underdog.

Its math dude, not physcology

Rufus 03-23-2012 09:08 PM

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Posted by Goblin (Post 84091)
How you consider yourself doesnt change the way how everyone else considers you.

Nothings changed, you guys have won alot.

You guys are all very pro.

You are nothing close to the underdog.

Its math dude, not physcology

Like I said, it's a rather uneducated assumption and not something that is really derived from statistics. "They've won x times, they must win another!" is just shallow. In every tournament there's attempts at creating a super teams and the lineups are constantly changing. How does that mean we're going to win? We haven't even sparred the teams most of the time. I'd say it is more of a mentality issue.

I honestly can't stand how people put us on a pedestal when it comes to the GST. Far too much pressure.

God 03-23-2012 09:11 PM

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Posted by Rufus (Post 84114)
Like I said, it's a rather uneducated assumption and not something that is really derived from statistics. "They've won x times, they must win another!" is just shallow. In every tournament there's attempts at creating a super teams and the lineups are constantly changing. How does that mean we're going to win? We haven't sparred the teams most of the time. I'd say it is more of a mentality issue.

I honestly can't stand how people put us on a pedestal when it comes to the GST. Far too much pressure.

You cant stand how the human race strives at interpreting logic through past experiences... Hm. Your a zebra, arent you.

Gambit Drakul 03-23-2012 09:14 PM

Quote:

Posted by Goblin (Post 84083)
un·der·dog *(ndr-dôg, -dg)
n.
1. One that is expected to lose a contest or struggle, as in sports or politics.
2. One that is at a disadvantage.




n
1. the competitor least likely to win a fight or contest
2. a person in adversity or in a position of inferiority




Because everyone always expects US to lose the GST.

This ^

Yephenpeace 03-23-2012 09:14 PM

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Posted by Goblin (Post 84116)
You cant stand how the human race strives at interpreting logic through past experiences... Hm. Your a zebra, arent you.

This post took an unexpected turn.

Rufus 03-23-2012 09:15 PM

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Posted by Goblin (Post 84116)
You cant stand how the human race strives at interpreting logic through past experiences... Hm. Your a zebra, arent you.

I doubt when David seen Goliath he thought "Okay this guy is pretty much guaranteed to win, he's beat 6 other people already, I'm going to just lay here now and cry." Poor Goliath, you don't understand the pressure he was under.

Skyzer 03-23-2012 09:27 PM

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Posted by Rufus (Post 84073)
We are the underdogs, always have been.

That's bull****. Name another guild that had its own island on Classic.

US has always been a large influence on Classic, especially in events and sparring. If there were more than one member of US on a CTF team, the game was pretty much set.

Talon 03-23-2012 09:29 PM

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Posted by Goblin (Post 84083)
Because everyone always expects US to lose the GST.

Can you honestly not comprehend sarcasm?

Higbey 03-23-2012 09:36 PM

imagine that the giants or whatever were the best football team ever, they beat everyone and won all the superbowls, do you think the other teams should whine about how the giants are too good, or should they try to get better and defeat them?

why should the gst be made so you can be a winner by getting other contestants that could have beat you being kicked out?

while i agree, after winning so much the US is not seen as a underdogs by others, although you must be delusional if you think they are invincible. maybe some of you should read the books in the spar library

Kain 03-23-2012 09:53 PM

Us will win anyways. Its unfair that they participed on both, classic and fb, server. There should be at least one Gst on one server without US

Skyzer 03-23-2012 09:58 PM

Do you complain for the sake of complaining?

spades of feare 03-23-2012 10:11 PM

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Posted by Skyzer

That's bull****. Name another guild that had its own island on Classic.

US has always been a large influence on Classic, especially in events and sparring. If there were more than one member of US on a CTF team, the game was pretty much set.

This^ i actully agree with skyzer, gst is actully almostt anticlimactic. I dont keep track of gst much but how often does US Lose gst?

Rexx 03-23-2012 10:49 PM

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Posted by Skyzer (Post 84133)
That's bull****. Name another guild that had its own island on Classic.

US has always been a large influence on Classic, especially in events and sparring. If there were more than one member of US on a CTF team, the game was pretty much set.

gotta agree

EP 03-23-2012 11:58 PM

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Posted by spades of feare (Post 84159)
This^ i actully agree with skyzer, gst is actully almostt anticlimactic. I dont keep track of gst much but how often does US Lose gst?

They lost 3 times or 4 not sure I think it's 3. Not unbeatable theyre good but not unbeatable

Yephenpeace 03-24-2012 12:03 AM

I still don't see what's "unfair" about it. They're good, that doesn't mean they have unfair advantages. Anyone can be good.

God 03-24-2012 12:17 AM

To, by force, exclude US from a gst, that would be ridiculous. I dont see the problem, more fun if you actually beat them in GST. But if you want to have a GST they arent in, dont come and ask them to make rules. talk to rufus about it.

spades of feare 03-24-2012 12:24 AM

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Posted by EP
They lost 3 times or 4 not sure I think it's 3. Not unbeatable theyre good but not unbeatable

And how many gsts? Its been alot,since original classic? Possible yes, plausable not really.

NiTe 03-24-2012 12:29 AM

We only won 3/6 on the iPhone and 4/5 on Facebook. Seems pretty bad if u ask me.

MattKan 03-24-2012 12:32 AM

Dear whoever made this thread,

Maybe if you would spend your time training to beat US instead of wasting it making pointless complaining threads, you'd win!

Tyler 03-24-2012 02:44 AM

As long as there is not a guild lagging their way to victory or using a PC in an iDevice tourney all is fair game. As much as I hate US winning, they're just good opponents. People have that thought in their mind that they're unbeatable and think they can't win against them. Maybe try practicing a little more instead of complaining saying it's not fair.

God 03-24-2012 04:01 AM

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Posted by Tyler (Post 84293)
As long as there is not a guild lagging their way to victory or using a PC in an iDevice tourney all is fair game.

Or recruiting members using itunes cards!

Yephenpeace 03-24-2012 05:24 AM

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Posted by NiTe (Post 84243)
We only won 3/6 on the iPhone and 4/5 on Facebook. Seems pretty bad if u ask me.

Bad compared to what?

WarrLordd 03-24-2012 05:53 AM

To the OP don't worry US can be beaten, but only by staff members :). Back to topic but if they've been the leading gst champs I'll bet on them:

MattKan 03-24-2012 06:05 AM

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Posted by WarrLordd (Post 84337)
US can be beaten, but only by staff members :)

Lol what

Higbey 03-24-2012 06:19 AM

Quote:

Posted by WarrLordd
To the OP don't worry US can be beaten, but only by staff members :). Back to topic but if they've been the leading gst champs I'll bet on them:

If I do remember correctly I have beat both muse and jpbloodreign in spar, if I can manage to beat them once then I'm sure they would have a hard time beating US

Ryan 03-24-2012 11:57 AM

US get their spar score reset all the time.

To make it "fair" for other teams i think

Ph8 03-24-2012 12:17 PM

Jin Dynasty gonna win GST

Apple 03-24-2012 05:15 PM

Quote:

Posted by Rufus (Post 84073)
We are the underdogs, always have been.

woah we got a badass over here...not..:dazed:

Rufus 03-24-2012 08:39 PM

Quote:

Posted by Apple (Post 84490)
woah we got a badass over here...not..:dazed:

That's pretty much the point, I was being the opposite of a "badass" :rolleyes:

qes 03-25-2012 07:14 AM

Quote:

Posted by Rufus
Really hate statements like this. We are the underdogs, always have been.

not really underdogs...

AND

gsts are fair. you just have no or little skill so you dont realize that its not easy for US to win everytime, and they wont win everytime. garuanteed.

NiTe 03-25-2012 04:37 PM

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Posted by qes (Post 84886)
you dont realize that its not easy for US to win everytime

Ya, just because we won a few times before doesn't make the next one any easier. You should see our guild chat 1 or 2 weeks before GST, its a huge mess. Its not like we hop on Graal and say to ourselves "Hey guys ready to win GST again?". Its the complete opposite because you never know when something is going to go wrong.
With everyone complaining and mostly panicking, it lowers our hope of winning. Just like last night, we did a GS for the first time in a while, barely did good and half of our guild chat was spammed about how such and such was sucking and about how so and so needs to get better. Then a rage quit. It makes me not want to be on most of the time because everyone usually fighting with each other about how so and so did something wrong.
We actually work together and train and not take anything for granted in order to succeed in GST. Maybe you guys should do the same, instead of complaining about US.

God 03-25-2012 04:50 PM

Read the whole thread u dip barley anyone is complaining its just rufuses comment that was wrong about being "underdogs".

qes 03-26-2012 12:45 AM

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Posted by Goblin
Read the whole thread u dip barley anyone is complaining its just rufuses comment that was wrong about being "underdogs".

gsts arent unfair atall lol. unless: a lagger doesnt get D/Q'd. or A staff uses his staff account for a GST (was done)

God 03-26-2012 01:45 AM

Quote:

Posted by qes (Post 85279)
gsts arent unfair atall lol. unless: a lagger doesnt get D/Q'd. or A staff uses his staff account for a GST (was done)

ITS LIKE U DIDNT EVEN READ WHAT IEH SAID LULZ

White Mamba 03-26-2012 03:47 AM

Hey I have an idea, how about no more rich people or poor people? The admins will own everything. No guild is allowed to be better than any other, just Graalians working together! Doesn't that sound great guys!

Ryan 03-26-2012 12:28 PM

Shut up and except that US are better than a spar team made out of the finest sparrers not in US. And they could take on 10x that much in one match.

Skyzer 03-27-2012 06:36 AM

up,* accept* And,*

iC* 03-27-2012 05:17 PM

lmao this post has lots more posts then I thought it would. But still most people still know US is going to win because of their amazing reputation.

This took an unexpected turn. Ive changed my mind about how it is unfair. The GSTs are not unfair. The people that win have just practiced more. But I still think they are going to win. Thats just my opinion though. Im not complaining.

Skyzer 03-27-2012 07:44 PM

A post has more posts?

LiA 03-27-2012 08:04 PM

Anything is possible if you've been practicing the past two months since the last GST :) I know I've been improving a tiny bit. But anyways, I've watched US in the past. They have really good team work unlike some other guilds. I've seen some guilds that are like "oh I'm gonna hide in the corner because I want to be last one alive to look good". You should be working together instead of working for yourself 0;. Like if you see your team member getting owned, atleast try to help them. Or they should atleast run away. For me, every 0.5 hp makes a huge difference 0: Well Good Luck in the GST! If you don't win, don't be too bummed out. Just have high hopes for yourself and you'll be able to go far :).


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