Graal 2012.
 

My opinion of the servers in graal 2012.
PC GRAAL-
Classic PC= all around good server. their quests are the best around. they are also working on future events. thor has had server experiance since the oldie graal times, so he is the best when it comes to balancing quests,jobs,econmy and events.

Era= good all around aswell. not too much to write being that im not too intrested in graal shooters.

Unholy nation= quests-un-intresting and sloppy. doesnt engauge any concept to the server
theme- ruined. was supposed to have a classic feel but turner out to have cars, laser gun.
Events- the whole server is events. i feel Unholy nation is based on events only.
Econmy- got some ok jobs to do. not too much to the story line so money never comes in handy often.

zodiac- levels sloppy, not too many good events. but a pretty good server. kinda popular aswell (i only fully enjoy classic typed servers)

iphone servers
iEra- same as i said on PC era

iclassic-
ecomny- terrible, who wants to farm for money?
theme- none.
Events- terrible, hide and seek ? find the chests?
Quests-none.
i feel iclassic's potential is crazy. they could have 2k-4k online at a time. i try my hardest not to praise them but the PC classic staff would make iclassic into a god server (if they got the server back in dec 09)
"not much they can do about it now"- racil(Ventrue)
hes right. iclassic is impossible to
fix. I mean sure itll have a 1k player count. but generally classics off balance. its got no story line, no quests to go along with the story line we dont have, no legit events, no legit forms of making money. but yet i will trash iclassic and still play it.

I disagree with everything you just said.

I can only banter about iclassic because I havent played the others enough to have an opinion.

I believe that as long as iClassic has some form of competition in it, it will never die. The fact that you look on a guys profile to see he has 4000h and a ton of spar wins or pk kills and you think "Why cant that be me :(" or you see those guys in US or Ch4rm that spar like crazy and have crazy win loss ratios and you think "I wish I was that good"

iClassic doesnt have to implement a storyline, as long as we can upload, pk and spar then you will still see me playing!

Thats your opinion. Thanks for sharing.

I looked at the thread title and thought it was some sort of Graal Apocalypse haha.

^LOL

Anyway, iClassic is club penguin with swords. You should have realized that by now. I'm pretty sure Nick (or whoever did the FAQ) said something along the lines of "dressup game and chatroom with swords"

The one hate comment he missed was the iclassic fb server

What? No. Era is better.

Y U PUT CRAP POST IN WRONG CATEGORY

You are extremely uneducated. So much so that anyone with half a brain completely disregards your post with a tl;dr statement, then turns 360 degrees around and walks away.

Just gonna say that the theme is, while not directly related or said, a zelda game style game.

There are a few quests.

And graal classic doesnt even need a theme or quests to be good. Some people like community games when its about showing off customs, guilds, stats, and getting well known.

i read the title and thought this was gonna be about how the servers should all get destroyed and distressed like in WoW cataclysm xD

What I've learned here:
Classic PC=Good
Everything else on Graal=Bad

hehehehe... you just got smacked by azrael basically hehe.. lol that was funny...

This is why we hate players (to be honest, im like this sometimes)...
They look around to find something to bitch about rather than appreciating the content Graal usually has on its server

If all you're going to do is brag without any descriptive or constructive detail, why are you bothering to play these games then?

Graal has potential but it can't just pop out content you're looking for out of the blue... Be patient

You are such a hypocrite.

Personally, I don't much care to do anything on iServers but to talk to my friends, and to show off and to get opinions on my GFX. I think quests and a plot would be a nice addition. But then you have the players who speed through what content we do get. Take the time to enjoy what we get, and appreciate what we get and when we get it! :)

Let's use this thread to review other threads:

http://www.graalians.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4730 0/10

does not make me un-educatied azreal. iclassic has been compared to (dress up game, club penguin, hat shop server) and i agree. if you havent noticed we have no story line .

I agree with what Maikeru, the potential for this game is limitless, just that it takes time.

But really, I love this game, I love how I do not have to rush anything and can casually play.

I mean compare this to other games, such as WoW, the game only started when you actually hit 85 when you can raid etc.

you seem to just attempt to troll all of my forums. if you dont care why are you here? and you cant judge the potential of a server if you've only seen 2 servers (iera,iclassic) go view some work of pc servers.

*cough variation.

Azrael is right btw,your so called "facts" aren't enough to support your opinion.

I troll on those who make pointless damn threads,AND I have originated off of PC so that remark about if I've only seen two servers is invalid.I've seen you log on PC from time to time all you do is just idle do a few quests and hop from server to server and log out stop trying to act like you're better than everyone else who doesn't know what PC is all about nor try and be little a server just because you want something to complain about.I'm not saying that iClassic is a good server nor is it a bad server.Does it have potential?Yes,Somewhat if they stop adding hats and adding actual content.

my "and" meant i was talking to those who judge when they still havnt played pc.

Well then you should be a lot more clear when you post something.

Hating stuff all the time is really tiring.

HOW DARE YOU TAKE THE NAME OF CLUB PENGUIN IN VAIN!

http://i.imgur.com/j91EW.png

-sigh-
Just play the game. Play PC if you think it's better. That's it.

i have been :D

my dream server:
not large, perfect size for the population using it.
Story line with a long list of challenging quests, that requires some skill, many trys, and a though process.
weapons, hp, shield, glove, horse. unlocked during the coarse of the story line.
at the end of the quests, you have unlockef all mandatory items, sword hp shield glove arrow bomb.
Events house line UN except with 2 coins. one for major events (tournys) and one for everyday.
Side jobs like Era's... garden, mining... ect
Spar= 2 regular, one streak room.
One guild spar
one tag team

instead of forts for guild compition my servers main thing would be differant game variations like Xbox match making loby, you an your guild come to the match making room and choose a game, games go from CTF-to capture the fort-or king o the hill-or survival (like hunget games). games won +_____ points , games lost +_____ points.
leader board would have guild with most points.
every mid year boards would be reset and top 3 guilds would receive statues in our awards room, and top 10 get a hat.

-guilds have 30 members limit
-allies can be listed but you can hit them and you cant chatt them.

all out doors can be pk'd and one area is worth 2 pks per kill, and a indoor place is worth 2pks per kill (to inforce those areas being used)

trading system
some shops. but only like 1-3 hat shops, hats should be used as rare prizes not hand outs in exchange for money

<3

>360

Can anyone explain me what he tried to point out?

That post is more an iClassic flaming than an actual rating. Besides the iServers Zodiac is the most popular server on Graal if you did not realize that. Their leveling style is perfect aswell for the usage on Zodiac. On other servers that might look like crap but that doesnt make the style bad at all.

Want a server like that? Make it.

@qes
I advise if you want a server like that, you go and either find/make it. :(

If you are talking about Graal itself as a whole, being patient is (probably) not the most reliable option. Graal PC has been steadily going downhill for the past 10 years, and the main highlight, regarding its player count, is the iPhone servers. In a sense, iClassic has already reached its potential back in October 2010, when it had 1900 online for a few weeks. Its flat lined at its max being around 1300 now, and its probably not going to get any more players since the app has been out for over 2 years and the inevitable addition of more iPhone servers (zone, kingdoms, etc.) Will only lower iClassics player count. But the iPhone servers as a whole are doing fine, iEras population is still growing over a year after its been out, and the two combined already have a player base of 3K - 4K like the OP was complaining about.

iclassic you can do a barrel role, i dont think you can do that on pc so iclassic wins. :-D

i cant make a server. im just saying (factual) the debugging staff here=pro besides that they are hiring new people (people who have never played graal before iservers like me)
meanwhile on PC graal/pc classic people are familiar with what to add to good servers. i really think we messed up. we should have allowed an experianced team handle iclassic. now its all about hat shops forts and spar.
Idk ask thor from pc classic or just play pc classic. thor has worked on the same server for 10+ years he has wiped the server and now restarting fixing the old problems. his team is dynamite. the A Team of graal dev. they are balancing the graal activitys so all are important. (jobs,quests,spar,events) im looking foward to seeing the upcoming of pc classic. i am not looking foward to the upcoming of iclassic.

you can lol

ey if you wanna judge zodiac for me go ahead i wont argue alot of people will know how to critic zod and era better than i will because i dont spend too much time there. i do spend alot of time on all present classic styled player worlds though.

this is a forum about my views on graal 2012 and i want to see everybody elses views on it. just because iclassic happens to be the server you do dev for. And just because i dis like what staff did with it does not make me uneducated. if you want to be ignorant at the fact that their are more experienced graal dev on PC that should have done the iclassic server. than sure do a 360.

Get your facts correct kid when Stefan manage classic pc it was in its glory. The new owner killed it. Now Stefan runs iClassic while xor is manager same concept expect we not following classic theme/storyline.

If Thor was a good manager he won't take years to get on classic tab again. Besides doomsday and old npulse was more fun than classic

Classic Graal PC is the best ever.



That is all. You are dismissed.

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I don't know...

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Even if the player count is low due to it being under construction at least there's actual content to do to kill that boredom not just buying hats and hats again just saying.

I would just like to say that while the statements from the thread author regarding PC Classic are positive, some of them are incorrect, and do not reflect my own beliefs.

While we're on the subject of getting facts straight, Classic's highest playercounts came at a time where it was the only Graal server, and was entirely free to play (sound familiar?).
By "the new owner", I'm not sure if you're referring to Tyhm or Master Storm, but many would argue that Classic actually got better through Tyhm's management, inwhich by Stefan's own admittance he had very little involvement with. Ofcourse it may not have reached the same peaks in terms of playercount for obvious reasons but was a far better game.

Master Storm is a completely opposite story, hence the decision to scrap and forget about that version of the server.

The goal has never been to merely go back on the list, if that was the case then Classic has met the criteria for that for quite a while now. If anything, current Classic is in a much better state than it was back when I decided to take it off of the list and wipe.

That's an opinion, I don't know enough about Npulse and Doomsday to argue about it, and from the looks of it you don't know any more about Classic either.


Clown.

I don't think any claims of popularity or playercount are valid, I mean pc and iPhone arent on a level playing field, pc doesn't have the limits of iPhones, but pc doesn't have ability to have all those players .


There is no best server as its a matter of opinion, as the values of things are subject to personal preferences,

I think it's best to leave it as this before some staff member posts their final opinion and locks the thread do no one can comment after them.

rofl!
to say thor ruined classic is a sin. because your mind cant understand that thor had a reason to wipe the server does not mean hes ruined it. thor is fixing it. classic pc i predict to be an amazing server when its finished. and i cant give all the credit to thor. his staff team is amazing aswell.

^

sorry kids dont have the money to play, or they dontget how to. either way pc staff should have done the job of iclassic only pc staff iclassic has is te debugging team and stefan (who also codes and debugs)

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iclassic dev - failed to make quests that involve a story line
failed to even attempt a legit events system (unless you call find the treasure a fun event)

classic dev- working on quests (best graal has probably ever seen) working on events (got sumo and poison type game on there now)

UN dev- Accomplished a pretty good events system but i feel they might have went over kill on the importance of events.
Quests stink atm but alteast the dev is making an attempt to restart the quests and make a legit story line.


Graal classic pc player count
if you even expect to see over 80 online there your crazy.
-still being worked on.
-only about 200 on pc at once at the moment.

As I said before kid get your facts correct. If Thor was only focused on wipe the server which basically killed it he would have thought about the players but he didn't. Don't come with some nonsense excuse that your server died cause you had to wipe the server.

How come when era had to wipe there server atleast they didn't fall hard? Reason cause they cared about the players and did everything possible to regain a few. But classic just died cause no one showed the players it had a chance. Then all the same classic players split between unholy nation and npulse waiting for classic to return but it didn't. And if it somehow manages to get approve for classic tab once again I'm pretty sure it would have no less players than val. It don't take years to fix one of the top servers back in 2001 utter b/s and pointing fingers should of give that server to someone else.

All the classic players moved to UN untill classic is finished. (most)
when era was wiped.... all the players who enjoy graal shooters had nowhere to go (no other competing server)
UN was just lucky to be another classic styled server at the time of the classic wipe. has nothing to do with anything your saying lol

Seeing as you persist with the subject of getting facts straight, Classic's playercount had been roughly halving every 2 years from 2000 to 2008 before I had become a developer. To put this into greater perspective, there were virtually 0 development updates for an entire year and a half before I became a full developer. The server was in a terrible state, and if I'm honest I did make some mistakes with my efforts, however I happened to get a lot of work done, the servers demise was despite my efforts, not because of them.

Classic died out for many different reasons, spread over many years.

When Classic wiped, the playercount was virtually non-existent. I should also re-iterate that the new project was never a matter of merely going back onto the list. We have been working towards a plan throughout the entire 2 and a half years, and are not far from reaching the planned level of completion. As those who have played through the quests would attest to, the servers plan is an extensive one rather than a minimalistic one.

There is absolutely no doubt the server would be approved, I have been asked on various occasions by multiple different members of PWA to give them the word go once we're ready. We're currently in negotiations with Graal's upper management regarding the implementation of global shop items, towards the hope of removing observer mode.

Graal development in 2001 was an entirely different environment to what it is now over a decade later, it was a lot more simplistic back then both in terms of practise and in terms of end-product.
The reality is there has not been a single server resurrect itself since Era did in 2005, and there has not been a single new server break through since Zodiac did in 2006. Simply put, it does take years to accomplish this, and there are very few people who can say they've stuck with such a mountainous task for as long as I have.

Somebody who clearly lacks knowledge of Classic's past should not be attempting to judge eligibility regarding who should be in charge of it.