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Heeble 01-09-2020 08:49 PM

Seasonal Towering Hats
 
So we don't have 1ks back but this season the top towering guild will get a hat. Too bad this has been implemented halfway into the current season. If anyone actually cared enough to check the leaderboards you'd see how hard that would be to catch up lol.

I appreciate giving a reason for people to tower. It would be great if this isn't the be the only season they'll be around. I'd love to participate next season.

Congrats to Aguila on winning the first hat.

We should be allowed to submit our own hats. Whoever made the current hat is just stereotyping with minimal effort. I find it incredibly insulting.

Flix 01-09-2020 09:13 PM

When was this announced?

Heeble 01-09-2020 10:06 PM

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You guys expect anyone other than Aguila to beat this? This far into the season? Like I said I appreciate the thought but this... This is as much of a joke as the anti-boost system. Try thinking about these things before you implement them. This is not at all fair. (Keep in mind, I don't even want the hat. This is just flat out wrong.)

XBanished 01-09-2020 10:22 PM

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Posted by Heeble (Post 829481)

For someone who doesn't tower this is nuts lmao. Such an unfair disadvantage for anyone who wants the hat. I'd think a reset for the entire season to allow everyone a chance.

Green 01-09-2020 10:44 PM

Yeah that's super unfair. Also I don't like the idea of not being able to create our own hats and being stuck with something we'll potentially dislike. Old 1k hats had so much creativity and effort put in to them. They were made EXACTLY how the guilds wanted them and I'm being honest here, if the hat I saw in a picture I was linked is the hat they are getting, then I feel sorry for them.

I also want to know how the hats are handled. Does the whole guild get them? Does the leader choose? If so then that'll just bring about the same problems. Guild leaders will kick the randoms who put in the actual effort and recruit their friends for a free hat. I think only the players who contribute the most to getting the top spot deserve the hats.

Heeble 01-09-2020 10:58 PM

We have no way to determine who puts in more effort because all these guilds just noob recruit. None of the guilds who will win these hats will deserve them.

Again, I appreciate the thought. But I'd really rather this didn't happen. Give us the NGS. Not some watered down equivalent. It's too late to do this now.

Green 01-09-2020 11:01 PM

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Posted by Heeble (Post 829485)
We have no way to determine who puts in more effort because all these guilds just noob recruit. None of the guilds who will win these hats will deserve them.

Yeah it would be pretty hard to do. I thought that maybe tracking how long each player is active in a tower while their guild has control of it would be possible but what stops someone from just setting up a macro to not get marked as idle.

Perception. 01-09-2020 11:11 PM

The hat suck for real lol... I mean if the one who made it is too lazy let's just ask players.. or at least allow the guild with the most hours of the season to submit their hat...

Raeven 01-10-2020 02:01 AM

no thanks. will wait for actual NGS

Heeble 01-10-2020 04:43 AM

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Posted by Green (Post 829486)
Yeah it would be pretty hard to do. I thought that maybe tracking how long each player is active in a tower while their guild has control of it would be possible but what stops someone from just setting up a macro to not get marked as idle.

Or just make it so kicking people/leaving tag penalizes them in some way. Like a guild system that promotes loyalty. That would be great.

Green 01-10-2020 09:35 AM

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Posted by Heeble (Post 829492)
Or just make it so kicking people/leaving tag penalizes them in some way. Like a guild system that promotes loyalty. That would be great.

Oh right. I think I saw someone mentioning a loyalty system on the forums a whiiiile ago. Completely forgot about it.

Perception. 01-10-2020 11:18 AM

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Posted by Green (Post 829493)
Oh right. I think I saw someone mentioning a loyalty system on the forums a whiiiile ago. Completely forgot about it.

The system should put automatically a lit of the 50 members with the more hours.

System could (why not) count too the numbers of time a member up the flag ect.. and by how many points, this could decide which of two members helped the most ect..

And at least hat should be submitted by the guild again, like in the past, some of them dont want to tower hours to gain a Christmas hat lol.

Better stay in front of Arena and gain AP :)) (im joking dont take it serious)

David M. 01-10-2020 01:49 PM

I think the hat already being made is good, it’s the same with GST. If you don’t like it don’t compete for it. The fact this is implemented mid season when one guild has been dominating in a not very competitive time is quite unfair however.

Bryan* 01-10-2020 02:30 PM

Would be better if they implemented “towering coins” (kinda like spar coins) and use that in a shop. It would prevent x amount of people from being excluded due to favoritism. You would gain these coins for the amount of hours you gain in a fort and then the multiplier increases when you take other forts. For example, if your guild holds Mod and then takes Sards, the multiplier for gaining coins doubles (x2).

I do agree its unfair they implemented this midway through the season. It should start next season with the top 3 towering guilds receiving an exclusive hat and/or the rest of the guilds get a participation plaque.

GOAT 01-10-2020 03:48 PM

Fair?

I think it’s unfair that now tower guilds will have to compete with a whole bunch of hat chasers. This will ruin towering even more.


Remove hat reward

XBanished 01-10-2020 06:11 PM

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Posted by Perception. (Post 829494)
The system should put automatically a lit of the 50 members with the more hours.

Really easy to just afk on tag.

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Posted by Perception. (Post 829494)
System could (why not) count too the numbers of time a member up the flag ect.. and by how many points, this could decide which of two members helped the most ect.

This, on the other hand could work if other methods were also pushed.

There are always going to be hat chasers and people who will do anything just to get a hat, loyalty to guilds on Graal is very hard to find and most new players probably don't want to put the effort in.

Aguila is pushing 30 days... how are they not reset.. :(

David M. 01-11-2020 01:10 PM

Besides Aguila having twice as much hours as the #2 already, they are also getting every hat chaser on graal because everyone knows they cant be caught up to. Admins just give them this hat already and reset the scores

Yami 01-11-2020 06:37 PM

This might have been "okay" when guild rewards were first removed; however, we're years into that already. There is no point for a system like this anymore, especially while a far superior one is being worked on.

I pray this may be the only season I see this system in practice.

Perception. 01-11-2020 07:58 PM

I wasnt around when they removed the hat system : 1k 5k and mount thing, what really happened ? Why did they removed it ? Too many guilds has reached 1k ?

Sawyer 01-13-2020 06:51 PM

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Posted by Perception. (Post 829509)
I wasnt around when they removed the hat system : 1k 5k and mount thing, what really happened ? Why did they removed it ? Too many guilds has reached 1k ?

If I remember correctly at some point in time people would just get to 1k hours and hop guilds, which is what "hat chasing" is all about. The system for 5k 10k and so on was useless because almost no one was trying to get that many hours and instead hopping ship to some new guild they created.

Heeble 01-13-2020 07:29 PM

They were also removed in preparation for the NGS. We are a few months away from a full 4 year wait.

Dusty 01-13-2020 08:42 PM

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Posted by Heeble (Post 829532)
They were also removed in preparation for the NGS. We are a few months away from a full 4 year wait.

That is not the only reason--it was a very abused and manipulated feature. It was also labor intensive as hats had to be manually added to the players by a senior graphics team member.

Heeble 01-13-2020 09:50 PM

I was just adding onto Sawyer’s statement. Looked like he had made that point so I didn’t mention it.

It's been a few days since the announcement. The hype around the hat is settling down. Towers are slightly more active but most people I know aren't interested in competing until either the hat is good or until next season. There's not much enthusiasm in the people who want to compete, either. It's just "well if it's there i may as well..."

To the person that made the hat, your work is usually very good. A lot of people don't understand what makes a good hat for players like us. It's hard for me to put into words. I suggest you check out Forever Phantom's house with me at some point. I can show you which hats are considered great and why.

I'd much rather have NGS than have a reward system that should've existed almost 4 years ago. I know it doesn't take any development time to make a social media post and check the leaderboards at the end of the season. The problem is we've been handed a raw steak instead of a full course meal and expected to be okay with it. I'm not the only one who feels this way. I care about this game a lot. It's incredibly disappointing to be handed something I'm scared is going to be considered "good enough." I have no choice but to continue waiting for my full course meal.

It's clear by the silence about giving Aguila a free hat that this won't be reverted. Whoever made the decision about this should ask players who participate in these activities before making a change like this. It's clear they don't play the game at all, so they should at least consult people who do. There's a lot of people who ask me if this is the NGS and why someone decided to add this midway through the season. I've heard more disappointment and belittling of staff than praise for rewards.

Perception. 01-13-2020 10:31 PM

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Posted by Heeble (Post 829535)
I was just adding onto Sawyer’s statement. Looked like he had made that point so I didn’t mention it.

It's been a few days since the announcement. The hype around the hat is settling down. Towers are slightly more active but most people I know aren't interested in competing until either the hat is good or until next season. There's not much enthusiasm in the people who want to compete, either. It's just "well if it's there i may as well..."

To the person that made the hat, your work is usually very good. A lot of people don't understand what makes a good hat for players like us. It's hard for me to put into words. I suggest you check out Forever Phantom's house with me at some point. I can show you which hats are considered great and why.

I'd much rather have NGS than have a reward system that should've existed almost 4 years ago. I know it doesn't take any development time to make a social media post and check the leaderboards at the end of the season. The problem is we've been handed a raw steak instead of a full course meal and expected to be okay with it. I'm not the only one who feels this way. I care about this game a lot. It's incredibly disappointing to be handed something I'm scared is going to be considered "good enough." I have no choice but to continue waiting for my full course meal.

It's clear by the silence about giving Aguila a free hat that this won't be reverted. Whoever made the decision about this should ask players who participate in these activities before making a change like this. It's clear they don't play the game at all, so they should at least consult people who do. There's a lot of people who ask me if this is the NGS and why someone decided to add this midway through the season. I've heard more disappointment and belittling of staff than praise for rewards.

I suggest you check out Forever Phantom's house with me at some point. I can show you which hats are considered great and why.

Ladies and gentlemen, he said it. Thank You.

GOAT 01-15-2020 03:22 AM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 829534)
-it was a very abused and manipulated feature.

So are we getting rid of the staff teams? :D

Spoiler
jk don’t delete me

4-Lom 01-15-2020 07:56 PM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 829579)
So are we getting rid of the staff teams? :D

Spoiler
jk don’t delete me

Badum tss

Garutias 01-15-2020 09:07 PM

Honestly NGS does not seem that Far away anymore like I could see it being finished by the end of this year or next year.

TeK 01-15-2020 09:44 PM

I remember people jokingly saying stuff like “#NGS2020” back in 2016, didn’t think it’d actually take that long at the time though.

+1 to “why are we giving Aguila a free hat?” btw
+1 to letting the top guild submit their own hat as well

XBanished 01-15-2020 11:12 PM

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Posted by TeK (Post 829601)
I remember people jokingly saying stuff like “#NGS2020” back in 2016, didn’t think it’d actually take that long at the time though.

Oh shoot, now that you say it you're right LOL

Raeven 01-19-2020 02:01 AM

Imagine losing #1 spot by end of season by minutes or hours. And you get nothing from the whole season. (It's just a hat but you know what I mean)

-I hope they change it and reward 3 hats for the top 3 at least.

Dusty 01-19-2020 03:47 AM

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Posted by Raeven (Post 829669)
Imagine losing #1 spot by end of season by minutes or hours. And you get nothing from the whole season. (It's just a hat but you know what I mean)

-I hope they change it and reward 3 hats for the top 3 at least.

Imagine missing #3 spot by end of season by minutes or hours. And you get nothing from the whole season.

Hiph0pÇhaøs 01-19-2020 04:36 AM

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Posted by TeK (Post 829601)
I remember people jokingly saying stuff like “#NGS2020” back in 2016, didn’t think it’d actually take that long at the time though.

+1 to “why are we giving Aguila a free hat?” btw
+1 to letting the top guild submit their own hat as well

I too remember when they removed towering hats and the NGS didn't release until a few YEARS later (not even the full thing) lol.
The seasonal hat idea isn't bad but I think that it was implemented at a bad time. Also I dislike having an admin make the hat instead of the guild designing their own custom hat but at least they give SOMETHING to the towering community after so long.

Raeven 01-20-2020 05:08 AM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 829672)
Imagine missing #3 spot by end of season by minutes or hours. And you get nothing from the whole season.

Therefore we conclude that top 3 gets a hat while runner ups gets a consolation of "Good job try again next season" carved into a plaque. And a 3k gralat for every member to compensate 3 months wasted.

TeK 01-20-2020 02:00 PM

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Posted by Raeven (Post 829687)
Therefore we conclude that top 3 gets a hat while runner ups gets a consolation of "Good job try again next season" carved into a plaque. And a 3k gralat for every member to compensate 3 months wasted.

If you can’t get 1st you don’t need a hat, not like you’re missing out on a whole lot anyways

WaFFL3Cake 01-22-2020 03:17 AM

1k hat rewards were cool because they were custom made, tailored to the guild specifically. Takes guild's theme, colors, etc. into consideration

I wouldn't want to join Aguila for the seasonal hat because it isn't a special hat.
This hat shouldn't mean anything to Aguila's members since it could have been for any guild.

David M. 01-22-2020 05:10 AM

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Posted by WaFFL3Cake (Post 829729)
1k hat rewards were cool because they were custom made, tailored to the guild specifically. Takes guild's theme, colors, etc. into consideration

I wouldn't want to join Aguila for the seasonal hat because it isn't a special hat.
This hat shouldn't mean anything to Aguila's members since it could have been for any guild.

imo this makes it more special. It could have been for any guild, but your guild got out on top and got it. An 1k hat is eventually gotten by everyone. At this point theres so many 1k hats I wouldn’t be able to tell which belongs to which guild.

WaFFL3Cake 01-22-2020 02:54 PM

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Posted by David M. (Post 829730)
imo this makes it more special. It could have been for any guild, but your guild got out on top and got it. An 1k hat is eventually gotten by everyone. At this point theres so many 1k hats I wouldn’t be able to tell which belongs to which guild.

Yeah, you could look at it either way. Boils down to whether you want something representative of the guild, or a trophy representing dominance.

GOAT 01-25-2020 11:49 PM

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Posted by WaFFL3Cake (Post 829729)
1k hat rewards were cool because they were custom made, tailored to the guild specifically. Takes guild's theme, colors, etc. into consideration.

There are few examples where this holds truth. I can only think of the HyruleKnights 1k hat. The rest were basically the leader picking some lame wannabe swag hat.

TeK 01-26-2020 01:24 AM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 829779)
There are few examples where this holds truth. I can only think of the HyruleKnights 1k hat. The rest were basically the leader picking some lame wannabe swag hat.

There’s a few other examples, such as illusive’s being based off of it’s guild picture

Meteor 02-02-2020 05:32 AM

Good for Aguila. That's what you get for towering w/ no incentive. 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 111111111111111111111

TeK 02-06-2020 09:23 PM

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Posted by Meteor (Post 829845)
Good for Aguila. That's what you get for towering w/ no incentive. 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 111111111111111111111

hey bro long time no see

Sawyer 02-07-2020 05:26 PM

I have aid

Meteor 02-13-2020 03:01 AM

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Posted by TeK (Post 829869)
hey bro long time no see

Yeah man, couldn't remember my password on here for the longest time

Fp* 02-14-2020 10:46 AM

Nice, instead of towering for a reward it's now towering for a chance of a reward.
Surely this would just kill competition since why bother towering if you know you wont have a guarantee chance of a reward, you waste most hours in the day every day for nothing. To me that would just kill towering like why bother? am I missing something? no hate just something I noticed.

Heeble 02-16-2020 05:21 PM

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Posted by Fp* (Post 829921)
Nice, instead of towering for a reward it's now towering for a chance of a reward.
Surely this would just kill competition since why bother towering if you know you wont have a guarantee chance of a reward, you waste most hours in the day every day for nothing. To me that would just kill towering like why bother? am I missing something? no hate just something I noticed.

This will bring out competition while we wait 40 more years for the NGS. This is a bandaid fix to a 4 year wound. The big problem is them implementing a system halfway into the competitive season.


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