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Jose Papp 09-20-2018 07:15 PM

Will furniture prices ever be restored?
 
Feels really uncomfortable and unfair to be unable to resell common furniture

SomeGuy 09-20-2018 07:22 PM

I think its to discourage people from selling their furniture. Back in the day whenever there was a new event i'd sell all my furniture to get money to buy things, but now im discouraged to do so because all my stuff can only be sold at 10 gralats. It helps the economy.

Rusix 09-20-2018 08:41 PM

I kinda wish the furniture resell prices was fixed, I have so many furniture things i wanna sell but im gonna get 10 gralats for something i paid 4k for. Which makes it extremely difficult for F2P players to get something like the Nexus wolf mount or the 2p mounts at stable. Because if you decied "Hey let's sell furniture because i got 200k worth of 5k costing item" You'd literally get like 400 or so gralats if you sold it all. That's not even enough for the 500 so nexus hat. And you spent 200k on furniture to not even get that

Shmermaid 09-20-2018 11:25 PM

Sometimes I miscalculate and by too much stuff. If we could just have the 1/2 resale price back, I'd be happy.


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4-Lom 09-21-2018 01:11 AM

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Posted by Jose Papp (Post 818633)
Feels really uncomfortable and unfair to be unable to resell common furniture

Uncomfortable? I agree. I still haven't managed to drop enough stuff to buy anything at nexus. It's not an issue of not having the gralats, just deciding on where I want to vomit 1500 objects in my furniture inventory. Basically I have to sacrifice rooms in my layout in order to have enough space to buy things. It really really sucks.

BUT if there was no furniture cap this would not be an issue.


Unfair? I agree to a point. They can set the resale value of any item (or just give you nothing at all for it in lieu of 'trashing it' technically). This is reasonable and should somehow impact who buys what items over time. Take uploads for example - you get no actual cash back anymore and because of this, I can only imagine people think twice before buying them now. It's reasonable, clearly outlined, and absolutely the norm in other games.

BUT there was no warning.

If there was a big old 'Hey faithful players, we're going to reduce the furniture values from 1/2 sale price to 10 gralats in a week's time, so please sell what you don't want now' it would have been fair and good. Same with retroactively devaluing items that people had paid full price on (halloween) or reducing the value of items that had previously been higher from events (christmas/halloween).

I had paid some 5-10k g for the 'bat' furniture items (bookshelves, clock, etc) and now they're being given away for essentially nothing in the grab bags. At the time, I was like 'where did the ones I paid for go?' but then I realized they were included in the stack of items I had received from grab bags and were now not possible to sell except for 1 g.


Not to thump a dead horse, but this all goes back to a solid monetization strategy.

Rusix 09-21-2018 02:09 AM

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Posted by 4-Lom (Post 818647)
Uncomfortable? I agree. I still haven't managed to drop enough stuff to buy anything at nexus. It's not an issue of not having the gralats, just deciding on where I want to vomit 1500 objects in my furniture inventory. Basically I have to sacrifice rooms in my layout in order to have enough space to buy things. It really really sucks.

BUT if there was no furniture cap this would not be an issue.


Unfair? I agree to a point. They can set the resale value of any item (or just give you nothing at all for it in lieu of 'trashing it' technically). This is reasonable and should somehow impact who buys what items over time. Take uploads for example - you get no actual cash back anymore and because of this, I can only imagine people think twice before buying them now. It's reasonable, clearly outlined, and absolutely the norm in other games.

BUT there was no warning.

If there was a big old 'Hey faithful players, we're going to reduce the furniture values from 1/2 sale price to 10 gralats in a week's time, so please sell what you don't want now' it would have been fair and good. Same with retroactively devaluing items that people had paid full price on (halloween) or reducing the value of items that had previously been higher from events (christmas/halloween).

I had paid some 5-10k g for the 'bat' furniture items (bookshelves, clock, etc) and now they're being given away for essentially nothing in the grab bags. At the time, I was like 'where did the ones I paid for go?' but then I realized they were included in the stack of items I had received from grab bags and were now not possible to sell except for 1 g.


Not to thump a dead horse, but this all goes back to a solid monetization strategy.

Agreed, It wouldve been very nice to have a warning, Even nicer if we could remove furiture limits I have a very similar problem, I have like 500-700 ( not including ones placed down in house and gh)or so furniture items, And if i wanted to buy a nexus painting or something ill have to drop almost all it into a room, Or several if one room gets too laggy. It would be nice if the limit was if not removed atleast increased to a reasonable amount. 200 is extremely low, I literally have over 200 alone in simple conveyor belts

Reggie* 10-13-2018 10:56 PM

Furniture Prices
 
More directly towards devs and stuff but when will the furniture prices return to normal? I got stuff I want to sell and all but can't. It would be nice to see the prices return to normal.

Rusix 10-13-2018 11:02 PM

I really don't think they ever will intend to return prices, I know what you mean, We all do. I have like hundreds of furniture items i collected over the years, Sometimes i don't want some of it. Especially when I gotta make room to buy more stuff. This is annoying because I have prob spent over millions of gralats worth of stuff in furniture. They originally did it to stop people who got random duplicate furniture. But since furniture duplication stopped they still don't seem to have plans to change it back.

Ivy 10-14-2018 01:10 AM

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Posted by Rusix (Post 819611)
I really don't think they ever will intend to return prices, I know what you mean, We all do. I have like hundreds of furniture items i collected over the years, Sometimes i don't want some of it. Especially when I gotta make room to buy more stuff. This is annoying because I have prob spent over millions of gralats worth of stuff in furniture. They originally did it to stop people who got random duplicate furniture. But since furniture duplication stopped they still don't seem to have plans to change it back.

I have spent millions on furniture too. This is one of the main reasons I’ll never spend money on Graal again.

Sir Travis 10-14-2018 01:34 AM

I’m also curious about the price adjusting? My turtle stash is ready to be sold :D

But the furniture duplicating is all fixed? That’s pretty damn good news right there

Eugeen 10-14-2018 07:32 PM

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Posted by Ivy (Post 819617)
I have spent millions on furniture too. This is one of the main reasons I’ll never spend money on Graal again.

I quit graal because it just keeps getting more and more expensive.

Letting go isn't easy but that's simply because of this:
https://i.imgur.com/fRqtw62.png

eevee2 10-15-2018 02:20 PM

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Posted by 4-Lom (Post 818647)
Take uploads for example - you get no actual cash back anymore and because of this

Say what now?

4-Lom 10-16-2018 08:05 AM

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Posted by eevee2 (Post 819644)
Say what now?

You only get upload tokens, no gralats. Cheese.


Also, furniture resale price is now 1/10th of whatever the original sale price was.

Kind of a slap in the face.

Rusix 10-16-2018 08:13 AM

Seriously? Just make it 50% off like it was. Like 4-Lom said that's a slap in the face, more like multiple slaps. Kinda bull

Sir Travis 10-16-2018 03:13 PM

Upon further reflection, I was wrong

I’ll bet there are a few people sitting around with loads of duplicated stuff just waiting for the moment to sell.....

Hell of a hole we are sitting in :D

How do you sift through it all to find the duplicated stuff? Is that even remotely possible?

I ended up with like 15 duplicated plates, I imagine some people went full speed and duplicated anything and everything they could

Hell of a thing

4-Lom 10-16-2018 08:53 PM

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Posted by Sir Travis (Post 819683)
Upon further reflection, I was wrong

I’ll bet there are a few people sitting around with loads of duplicated stuff just waiting for the moment to sell.....

Hell of a hole we are sitting in :D

How do you sift through it all to find the duplicated stuff? Is that even remotely possible?

I ended up with like 15 duplicated plates, I imagine some people went full speed and duplicated anything and everything they could

Hell of a thing

I've had more than 20k worth of furniture duplicate unintentionally. Pools, slides, key blocks... even a bomb vending machine. Reported every time.

Sir Travis 10-16-2018 10:05 PM

Not you Lom, you’ve got more gralats and furniture then Graal Santa

But I’ll bet there are a lot of people sitting on ill gotten furniture stashes, it’s gonna take a whole lotta greasy detective work to sort it all out

I’m willing to wait it out, but maybe hook Lom up with bonus storage till it’s over

I’m dying to see his usual houses of Halloween and the limits cramping his style :D

Rusix 10-16-2018 10:24 PM

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Posted by Sir Travis (Post 819683)
Upon further reflection, I was wrong

I’ll bet there are a few people sitting around with loads of duplicated stuff just waiting for the moment to sell.....

Hell of a hole we are sitting in :D

How do you sift through it all to find the duplicated stuff? Is that even remotely possible?

I ended up with like 15 duplicated plates, I imagine some people went full speed and duplicated anything and everything they could

Hell of a thing


Pretty sure you could not duplicate on free will, It was just a completely random event there was no way to do it on command. If they actually could duplicate on demand whenever they wanted, then I mean seriously they would've kept doing it even if the resale prices was 10 gralats. If you happened to clone 20 of something at a go it would be 200 free gralats, Every time. Which would make that method far quicker and far easier way of getting gralats than farming or looting several times over.

Sir Travis 10-16-2018 10:46 PM

We are just waiting for it to get sorted out... right? I can wait

If it’s forever, well I’ll be right there on the band wagon screaming for blood as well

Selling the treasure stuff I find is one of the cornerstones of my gameplay, it’s how I fuel my hat addiction

4-Lom 10-17-2018 05:00 AM

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Posted by Sir Travis (Post 819737)
Not you Lom, you’ve got more gralats and furniture then Graal Santa

But I’ll bet there are a lot of people sitting on ill gotten furniture stashes, it’s gonna take a whole lotta greasy detective work to sort it all out

I’m willing to wait it out, but maybe hook Lom up with bonus storage till it’s over

I’m dying to see his usual houses of Halloween and the limits cramping his style :D

I've got two rooms with random piles of trash at the moment because one room was not sufficient. It's pretty annoying.

Rusix 10-17-2018 09:54 PM

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Posted by 4-Lom (Post 819760)
I've got two rooms with random piles of trash at the moment because one room was not sufficient. It's pretty annoying.

Lmao for you I hope they do end up increasing the furniture limit, like why is it so low to begin with? I have like 600 furniture or something, Which is annoying as it is, I can only imagine how much worse that would be with 1500 furniture, the torment

Heeble 10-20-2018 05:42 PM

I highly doubt it. After the recent furniture dupe, people who abused it decided to buy mass amounts of random furniture to attempt to smuggle money past being banned. They also uploaded a ton of customs to smuggle dupe money. So if you want to blame anyone for ruining furniture refunding and cursing us with upload tokens, blame the dupers.

This "temporary" 1g refund fix is permanent. So get use to it.

The only thing we can hope for is a new method for storing furniture. Perhaps a furniture bank, similar to how Delteria's banking system works, that allows you to store excess furniture in there. It could be a gralat sink as well. Maybe monthly fee similar to VIP to use the storage, or a one-time gralat charge to increase bank space.

4-Lom 10-29-2018 05:02 AM

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Posted by Heeble (Post 819952)

This "temporary" 1g refund fix is permanent. So get use to it.

Prices are now 1/10th the original price.

However, the purchasing issue is still a thing. having less than 100 items in your inventory in order to purchase new items is just punishment for longterm players who have amassed a lot of furniture.

Heeble 10-29-2018 04:59 PM

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Posted by 4-Lom (Post 820420)
Prices are now 1/10th the original price.

However, the purchasing issue is still a thing. having less than 100 items in your inventory in order to purchase new items is just punishment for longterm players who have amassed a lot of furniture.

As if that makes an difference. Should we just assume to get a tenth of furniture refunds back every 4-5 months?

Like I said, a new storage option should be implemented. If I recall correctly, each level in a house/guild house can have a maximum of 750+/-30 items in it. For players such as yourself who have huge amounts of furniture, I can imagine that storage space is beginning to become limited.

Rusix 10-29-2018 05:25 PM

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Posted by Heeble (Post 819952)
I highly doubt it. After the recent furniture dupe, people who abused it decided to buy mass amounts of random furniture to attempt to smuggle money past being banned. They also uploaded a ton of customs to smuggle dupe money. So if you want to blame anyone for ruining furniture refunding and cursing us with upload tokens, blame the dupers.

This "temporary" 1g refund fix is permanent. So get use to it.

The only thing we can hope for is a new method for storing furniture. Perhaps a furniture bank, similar to how Delteria's banking system works, that allows you to store excess furniture in there. It could be a gralat sink as well. Maybe monthly fee similar to VIP to use the storage, or a one-time gralat charge to increase bank space.

If we're going to blame anyone, Should really blame people who allowed the server to get as laggy as it is. The entire reason why furniture duplicated to begin with is because the server would at times get laggy enough to just re-read things twice or not when they was suppose to be at all. To blame "dupers" is like trying to blame the guy who is chained to a 1000 pound ball sinking to the bottom of the ocean for drowning. Because we all are dupers, almost everyone has had a random duplicated item appear in their house. And since it was caused by server lag it isn't like you could control it. You couldn't do it whenever you wanted either because of this. There was no real way to abuse it or cause it to happen. Unless you could by somehow make the server lag

4-Lom 11-07-2018 02:35 PM

Fp4 came on a while back and told us in confidence that the server is tip top - that the issue is untidy programming (lack of optimization).

Also, furniture resale price seems to cap at 250 gralats.

Sir Travis 11-07-2018 05:37 PM

Poo,

My turtles are worth more then 20 each, how about 50 each?

Are we negotiating American pickers style? :D


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