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EP 02-12-2012 03:24 AM

Arrow thoughts an suggestions.
 
I've been waiting to post about this first of all this isn't just because they're an annoyance at mod.
At first I was with people "noob arrowing" from side of mod.
But I realized these people are getting free kills at at incredible rate like this, and I've tested this as I watched Connor he's a usual arrow spammer in about an hour he had 600 kills whereas to when I pk with just a sword I get around 300+ an hour, take into fact that it was while he was spamming arrows. I don't respect anyone who does this and wish it would be considered boosting since it seriously is just a person spamming arrows from one spot without any real work to get kills other then restocking. I know they have to pay for arrows but they're still incredibly cheap at grotto and we can kill baddies easy due to the new fat weak ones.
I was thinking maybe raising the arrow prices would help.
Maybe making walls everywhere more realistic where they would block arrows.
Even makin arrows not give kills<--I wish but too far fetched.
What are your thoughts on arrows/arrow spam, And what do you suggest?
I can't be the only one who feels the same way.
Here's Daily Life At Mod, Sorry for the quality I was holding 2 iPods so it was harder and iPod camera sucks, anyways here It is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o14v31DJfM

Higbey 02-12-2012 03:26 AM

The walls stopping arrows is the obvious thing to do. Not raising the price or making it not count as kills.

Tyler 02-12-2012 03:32 AM

I would suggest going over to the arrow spammers and pk them until they've had enough and leave. It's not really free kills if people are letting themselves get spammed by arrows. The arrow spammers aren't invincible. Are they annoying? Yes. You just need to shove them away. However, if it becomes trouble some as to where no one can even get into the top of the tower they should make the walls deflect the arrows like you mentioned.

EP 02-12-2012 03:40 AM

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Posted by TylerMysTe (Post 66948)
I would suggest going over to the arrow spammers and pk them until they've had enough and leave. It's not really free kills if people are letting themselves get spammed by arrows. The arrow spammers aren't invincible. Are they annoying? Yes. You just need to shove them away. However, if it becomes trouble some as to where no one can even get into the top of the tower they should make the walls deflect the arrows like you mentioned.

That was my method at first but how do you make 3 people arrowing leave u attack one there's 2 still u attack another and the one from before comes back. If u attacked mod throughout the day you would notice how bad it can get at times u can't go up the stairs because arrows just pushin you one way or the other hard to enter the small space.
Also the defenders aren't really letting themselves get killed they have to defend. If they left they'd lose the tower obviously

mr froggy 02-12-2012 03:42 AM

This is more annoying every since they made 3 orbs at mod. They arrowers will just arrow spam till there about to die run up and heal themselves, its really unfair for those pking with sword (the honnerable way to do it)

Ryan 02-12-2012 04:29 AM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 66945)
The walls stopping arrows is the obvious thing to do. Not raising the price or making it not count as kills.

That is kinda a good idea......

iChronic 02-12-2012 06:03 AM

ehh theyre a pain specially when its peak time.. i hardly get any kills. i used to arrow spam, i have to admit its noobish. now i just use arrows INSIDE the box (mod) to move afkers or to kill lagg blockers.

Godzilla 02-12-2012 06:22 AM

Arrow spam is a problem, and we do need to think of some ways to stop it but a lot of your ideas are very extreme. We Definitly shouldnt raise the price, and we shouldnt remove kills from them. We should do some sort of blocking though on the sides of the towers to prevent this. Just put up some NPCs there which block arrows and everything will be groovy. A lot of people think arrows are only used for spam, and a lot of your ideas really hurt people who use the bow for things other than spam. We want to stop spam at mod not make the bow absolutely useless for pk like they did with bombs. If you wanna only pk with a sword go spar. But all weapons should be fair game out there pking imo. But we need to make sure they're not abused for boosters.

Tyler 02-12-2012 01:52 PM

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Posted by EP (Post 66954)
That was my method at first but how do you make 3 people arrowing leave u attack one there's 2 still u attack another and the one from before comes back. If u attacked mod throughout the day you would notice how bad it can get at times u can't go up the stairs because arrows just pushin you one way or the other hard to enter the small space.
Also the defenders aren't really letting themselves get killed they have to defend. If they left they'd lose the tower obviously

I read mr froggys post and I completely forgot about the healing orbs. With three people and healing orbs that's hard to get rid of without some friends to help you. They could just keep running to the healing orbs to regain health. I'm up for the wall barrier idea.

Azrael 02-12-2012 06:51 PM

Are you talking about the arrows inside the level or outside? Outside I added blocks to all of the towers so you can't shoot "up" and hit people. Inside I haven't, however. Please let me know which.

Tyler 02-12-2012 07:06 PM

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Posted by Azrael (Post 67066)
Are you talking about the arrows inside the level or outside? Outside I added blocks to all of the towers so you can't shoot "up" and hit people. Inside I haven't, however. Please let me know which.

He's talking about the inside center of MoD. People spam arrows up from the side when there's a huge cluster of people trying to get to the top of the tower.

MrSimons 02-12-2012 08:09 PM

I think the orbs should be removed and or walls added.

EP 02-12-2012 09:00 PM

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Posted by Azrael (Post 67066)
Are you talking about the arrows inside the level or outside? Outside I added blocks to all of the towers so you can't shoot "up" and hit people. Inside I haven't, however. Please let me know which.

Inside

leo 02-12-2012 10:21 PM

I agree with him, the arrow spammers situation is getting worse since the bombs where fixed (I see it almost everyday I'm a pker). Making walls able to block arrows will not really resolve the problem, fixing a limit to the arrows per second rate is maybe a solution. Thank you for this topic I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who has a bad opinion about arrow spammers (running after them doesn't stop them).

Furryamigo 02-12-2012 10:48 PM

People only hate arrows spammers when they are the ones being hit ;)

EP 02-12-2012 10:52 PM

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Posted by Furryamigo (Post 67128)
People only hate arrows spammers when they are the ones being hit ;)

I wouldn't care about it If it wasn't pretty much boosting kills.They also make it 10x harder to take mod.

leo 02-12-2012 11:21 PM

I don't know how graal is scripted but I can see you do not understand the situation, so I will try to explain: arrow hit have priority on sword hit. Arrow spammers always get the 0.5.

Try to face one to deflect the arrow you receive another arrow in your butt.

Shaun 02-12-2012 11:55 PM

Remove orbs, put up walls. I agree to that, not raise prices and all.

spades of feare 02-13-2012 12:42 AM

Arrow spaming at mod... For just pennies a day you can help us pkers with skill avoid this crisis

Ash Ketchum 02-13-2012 02:10 AM

SWORD PKING FTW. ARROW PKING IS FOR WIMPS WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE A SWORD.
and it's unfair for people who is poor and uses sword.

erik129 02-13-2012 02:54 AM

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Posted by Mr.$imons (Post 67083)
I think the orbs should be removed and or walls added.

But then when you come in from arrow spammers outside and you have 1.0 or 0.5 you wouldn't be able to heal

Godzilla 02-13-2012 03:03 AM

Just put NPCs along the walls which block the arrows like they did on top. Nuff said.

Pazx 02-13-2012 08:06 AM

Just put blocks on all the walls inside MoD. I also prefer the old version of the healing orb setup.

Ash Ketchum 02-13-2012 08:51 AM

it's bs how they can get kills that fast so easily by just spamming arrows.

i keep getting hit in my knee from them...

Jagger 02-14-2012 05:13 AM

Quote:

Posted by EP (Post 66944)
I've been waiting to post about this first of all this isn't just because they're an annoyance at mod.
At first I was with people "noob arrowing" from side of mod.
But I realized these people are getting free kills at at incredible rate like this, and I've tested this as I watched Connor he's a usual arrow spammer in about an hour he had 600 kills whereas to when I pk with just a sword I get around 300+ an hour, take into fact that it was while he was spamming arrows. I don't respect anyone who does this and wish it would be considered boosting since it seriously is just a person spamming arrows from one spot without any real work to get kills other then restocking. I know they have to pay for arrows but they're still incredibly cheap at grotto and we can kill baddies easy due to the new fat weak ones.
I was thinking maybe raising the arrow prices would help.
Maybe making walls everywhere more realistic where they would block arrows.
Even makin arrows not give kills<--I wish but too far fetched.
What are your thoughts on arrows/arrow spam, And what do you suggest?
I can't be the only one who feels the same way.
Here's Daily Life At Mod, Sorry for the quality I was holding 2 iPods so it was harder and iPod camera sucks, anyways here It is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o14v31DJfM

1: Its not boosting in any way. It's stealing kills.

2: Arrows at grotto are same price as any other arrows, just different quantities. 1 gralat per arrow.

3: Yes, the walls should be blocked for arrow spammers.

4: Kind of takes away from the challenge of pking... You want pking to be alot easier.. I think arrowers just make it slightly interesting. Yes, annoying, but that's like saying "Don't let sparrers swing their sword faster than 1 swing per second" to prevent sword spamming, just because it annoys you.


Just my thoughts :P not bashing. I do agree the walls should be solid.

Rufus 02-14-2012 06:36 PM

I changed MoD fort today. I think the changes will piss some people off (mainly people who like to be able to quickly block the door) but you will see after about 5 minutes that it takes more legitimate tactics for attacking and defending now, and there's a lot less spamming of arrows.

It isn't perfect, but in my opinion it's better than what it was.

TAKACHI 02-14-2012 07:00 PM

possibly a short delay between arrow presses ? that could cut down on the spam.

Tidus 02-14-2012 08:28 PM

I entirely agree, although most main points were made i feel like i need to emphasize how unfair the arrow spamming is. Standing on the side repeatedly using arrows not only kills the attackers, but also takes their kills while they're injured. It is entirely unfair to sword users. Making inside walls able to block arrows is the best idea by far, and i cannot think of better ideas.

Jagger 02-14-2012 11:30 PM

Quote:

Posted by TAKACHI (Post 67760)
possibly a short delay between arrow presses ? that could cut down on the spam.

If we had unlimited arrows, that would be an option. But people who want to buy 99 arrows should be able to use them however they want, as fast as they want. Kind of makes arrows semi-useless if they did that too.

iChronic 02-14-2012 11:34 PM

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Posted by Azrael
Are you talking about the arrows inside the level or outside? Outside I added blocks to all of the towers so you can't shoot "up" and hit people. Inside I haven't, however. Please let me know which.

inside. personally i hate lagg blockers more than arrow spammers, they take ages to kill and when they do the person behind you has already killed you.

EP 02-15-2012 12:01 AM

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Posted by Rufus (Post 67753)
I changed MoD fort today. I think the changes will piss some people off (mainly people who like to be able to quickly block the door) but you will see after about 5 minutes that it takes more legitimate tactics for attacking and defending now, and there's a lot less spamming of arrows.

It isn't perfect, but in my opinion it's better than what it was.

Thanks Rufus love the new mod. Not so sure bout the spawns since i can already see people just "camping" for lack of a better term and boosting on the bew spawns but Its an improvement on what it was

Now if only someone could do something about that pesky lag block that always occurs right outside mod and other tower entrances maybe 3 block wide doors?:o

Ash Ketchum 02-15-2012 05:00 AM

Quote:

Posted by Rufus (Post 67753)
I changed MoD fort today. I think the changes will piss some people off (mainly people who like to be able to quickly block the door) but you will see after about 5 minutes that it takes more legitimate tactics for attacking and defending now, and there's a lot less spamming of arrows.

It isn't perfect, but in my opinion it's better than what it was.

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Aaron 02-17-2012 12:44 AM

PK at MOD has been ruined...I, personally, only wanted the wall (inside level) to deflect arrows. Adding the third step was a terrible thing to do. Just stating opinion, also taking away the orbs wasnt the best thing to do. I dont use them but boosters can easily sword spam the spawn stations.


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