RP Military Guilds problems.
 

Anyone noticing the large increase in the already kinda cringey military Roleplayers?
Like I think we can all agree on the fact they are absolutely annoying as is, maybe Atleast build a actual system like towering for them? I shiver in absolute cringe sometimes when I see them in York or something acting all like "all dies to our enemiesssss PLEASE".

You've obviously not played graal for long enough to know what military guilds USED to be like. They're much better now...

I used to participate in one of the guilds until I left to pursue a spot on the levels team of Zone and apparently military used to be better but that's from the view of one of them so I don't know.

It's annoying, they force you to wear a certain outfit and they charge into some random place thinking they own it.

One thing hasn’t changed; they hack and glitch a lot.

I think it's nice to see a group of players outside of Graal City just doing whatever they feel like. They're having fun, and that's not a bad thing.

right, but it gets really extreme when they take up a whole area with a ton of people and pk, not for actual kills because it gets disabled automatically, but because they are fighting over "control" of the area.

Not that it matters to me seeing as I can't play and probably will never be able to again.

with soronia we ride and shall deceive all the bad enemies that haunt us at night!!!

This does get really annoying, usually those pk fests last for 8+ hours. Should find a better way for them to resolve their conflicts and ****.

Devs added RPS to the game for a reason...

they cause huge lag spikes, sometimes it takes me like 5 minutes just to get across the battlefield

Meanwhile berating you with swords because

1.They think you are an enemy because you aren't in their guild
2. They are mad at you for being on their battlefield
3. They aren't paying attention and are randomly hitting people even "allies" (not literal but they sometimes "alliance with other guilds".

On the one hand its kind of neat... that they've taken a concept and run with it in the game parameters, essentially changing their heuristic from the accepted norm. Unfortunate that they don't band together and make 'towering' part of their 'territory' disputes. Seems like that would really lend some credibility to the past time. Or vice versa.

The only time it really bothers me is when they start publicly using distasteful language or trying to force you out of their 'territory' by sending new recruits to harass you.

Game disruption? That's a paddlin.

1. Are they physically harming you?
2. Are they obstructing your ability to play the game so much they need banned?
3. Are they causing any more lag than the amount of people at Burger Refuge?
4. Why are you so against people taking a ****ty game and doing something they enjoy on it?

*If you answered No to most of these questions, this game bothers you too much and you need to get the heck over it.

If you can't beat them, become them

Theyre having fun in a game which lacks for fun content. You can think they're cringe or not, but its a large group of players making the best out of a bad situation. They aren't bothering you so I don't see why its an issue. You sparring with your insane delay is probably more annoying to people then these guilds. They're having fun doing something unorthodox, and they made their own system out of a simple game. Call it whatever you want.

It's primarily because of the fact they lag a entire area making it impossible to get across or simply unnecessarily hard to get through. And they also can make it extremely laggy as well, Doesn't help the fact that this isn't no 20 minute thing usually, do last 10-30 hours sometimes even a week. Making it hard to get past during that time.

Like 4-Lom said it would make a bit more sense and add more credibility if they would tower or something but they always do smack talk and act rather like a ***** if your in their "territory", even if your not a military person. Which is why I asked for a military system to be made.

And don't get me wrong, I don't mind them doing their own thing for enjoyment, Or whatever, Hell even I was in a military before I left due to I felt so cringe'd about it and have a life outside of graal where I can't spend 8 hours doing war **** every few days or even weeks. It's just it gets a bit nonsense when they make a simple 3 minute job of selling your shields and sword loot and stuff at snowtown and make it a 45 minute job because you can't get past the Pk fest they put right outside

You act like I'm not annoyed myself with my delay, Or I enjoy it. Or let alone spar more than 2 times a month

Precisely this.

Classic had always had a lack of content. Even though I hate the military community, unfortunately there's not much left to do anymore on classic. But despite the lack of gameplay, as a social game Graal excels. And with a half-decent PK system in which skill is prioritized, these Militarys are just trying to make use of it so that they can play the game they enjoy.

Again, if you don't like it, just don't bother with it. It shouldn't be hard to just walk past them, and move on with your day. They wouldn't sting you, they'd sting the enemy guild. Unless they really want pks I guess idk

I agree with Westbrook and List's opinion on these types of guilds. I've been in a few of them and to be honest it did make Graal A LOT more enjoyable. Sure there's been 500 different guilds called "The State" and just as many players named Auel to go along with those guilds but it's nice to see someone put the RP in RPG that I don't see much of in Graal.

I do agree it can make the game more interesting, Like I said earlier I'm not really against militaries, It's just they cause problems which is why I asked for a system specifically for military to be implanted, That way it's just a bit better, Not only for them but for everyone else so they don't spend hours doing PKing they don't get added to their account, And they don't block people's ways or make it seemingly impossible to get past. Ect

They don't even need a system but if they just add a few buildings that have a sole role-playing purpose like the school in onnet or the police station. Adding a military academy, promoting the use of PK room's at places like Dozer's house could help reduce the lag. I also think for military guilds opening that underground tunnel in Fox's mansion that leads out by the police station would be cool. Adding some secret passages and hiding spots. Simple additions that enhance the role-playing aspect of the game will let players create new scenarios rather than be stuck to one method of role play.

1.) no
2.) yes, i hate lag spikes so much that i would rather walk in wet socks for the rest of my life
3.) yes, there are substantially way more people in their battles than the people outside burger refuge
4.) not a **** game, they are the ones making it ****ty

https://www.graalians.com/forums/att...1&d=1515102550

Bruh

Hey I see me!

Still better roleplayers than those god awful cringeworthy babies and their parents

Should make some type of “headquarters” for them in like MoD Town or something where they can stay, like the adoption center that was made for all the babies. The lag does get a bit annoying, though.

agree

Especially when you already are laggy as I am, don't have much time and got to spend an almost a hour yourself just to get to the inside of the damn snow town Smith building to sell your damn maces and loot you got.

Tbh I don't see them so much making a building as making a actual military system, Because they would still keep having the same problems of causing lag, PKing in the most inconvenient of places where you can barely squeeze through or not at all

This would honestly be great. Good solution that benefits everyone.

They should rip off cod and add a place where they can play "Hardpoint" (would honestly be more fun to watch then gst)

those are all great ideas tbh. im a sparrer, not someone in graal militaries, but theyre people just trying to play the game like me. i think it'd be super cool for them to have their own arena or house or something onmap, but it won't ever happen because that would require admins to listen to the community and do something big for it.

You used to be a part of them lol stfu

You're a military reject who tried kissing up to Auel and Germain and then moved to the spar community to make a name for yourself and then ended being a spar reject too, after being wrecked by me 10-3 in a series and losing a GST match in 15 seconds.

Agree with the amphibian CM about giving them an HQ (make it in SnowTown). That way they are isolated from the rest of the players.

TL;DR solution: we come up with a new theme for RP guilds and that will become the new trend! How about fairies? :D

no thread is safe from doublelift talking about his sparring accolades.
on the topic tho I've never been in a military guild or dealt with them or whatever been the main thing is is their not as bad as the flood of brazilians.

a good plan would be to stick the military guilds onto the brazilians until maybe they all migrate to another lower playerbase mmorpg.

jokes aside i dont think military guilds are a problem. in all of my time since like 2011 i havent had any encounters with them of sorts so i feel like if you just let them play the game how they enjoy it there is no problem. if they want to role play about military and war and stuff then let them. the RPG in MMORPG stands for role playing game. and all their doing is role playing and if theyre having a good time doing it i do not see any problem.

Military guilds should migrate to the Brazilian areas and distract the hell out of them.
Military guilds are useless/worthless but since people like Westbrook and Dolan started joining spar community, they've been so bothersome

Honestly I don't see why people are hating on them so much. They don't really cause that much lag. It's less lag than when the giant blob forms. They are finding a fun solution to a quest dry game. It gives a purpose to a game without an end goal. Sure, if they want to pretend they own a territory, that's fine. But there is no reason to hate on a group because they are trying to have fun.

it makes more sense if they fight for a tower instead of random pk mobs

I've asked a few of them about how the pk aspect works... if they agree to 'lie down' when they're defeated ... but that doesn't seem to be the case. How they 'win' to the best of my knowledge is that they continue to pk until one group has left or logged out..?

Feels like towering would be a more definitive set of parameters to who 'owns' an area.

Ya it's kinda sad that military guilds mob pking areas of the map for ‘territory’ is more active and more competitive than the towering community has been since they removed rewards lol

We can thank the dev team for this. Ya'll keep up the good work

Recently its become a challenge to determine who wins.

they exist cause there is nothing to do in graal anymore

I was only in it because Isamu my friend wanted me to join him, So I did mainly for him. But he is hardly active anymore and I had no plans on staying.I never was in it because I enjoyed it, I used to look at them all like immature kids who basically have no life to the point they PK fest for hours to days on end, For no real good reason other than "Oh we own this area and your pieces of ****". Reason, Drama is also a bit extreme as well. The only mature people in military I see, With full honesty are the extremely hated State people. Like Auel and so on. Because they don't hate some enemy guild for all existence and bottom line have more understanding that it's just a damn game. While you got people in other guilds who hold a grudge forever over one smacktalk session and people like Paynius who call basically everyone Autistic , While probably not even understanding what the hell Autism even is since he acts like that's something that means your mentally ******ed with how he describes it. when in reality it basically is just something that effects your ability to socialize mostly irl, Not sure about in-game. Not even a bad thing,Rather be that than people like him.

Also if you beat WestBrook in a 10-3, And he did come from military, I'd have to say he was pretty damn lucky to get to 3 wins considering most military people are about Dojo level people.

I just join military guilds to sabatage their leadership and take their guild house gralats.

I'll mostly have thousands of spar wins and pks more than them and they have the nerve to rank me as a Pvt. >:(

Lol

Like if you remember when the thread was about military guilds

i dont even get what the big deal is about sparring. you can move your fingers faster (and probably lag a little) faster than your opponent. congrats. outside of sparrers no one gives a flying **** about how you did against a certain person or how someone did in the gst. Graal sparring has turned into one of the most toxic aspects of the game, it really reminds me of League of Legends. If youre just starting and not very good, youll mostly get no respect and harassed by the ego stroking kids who happen to be decent. it's the same with spar.

like i said before, besides a handful of people on this forum, no one actually cares how you did in spar, and we dont need to hear about in in every thread, especially ones that are not even about spar in the first place.

True-^

Also let's not derail the thread

West (aka Herr Kreig-Vulpes Inculta) has some explaining to do lolhttps://i.imgur.com/16SsEnS.png

source: http://graalmilitary.wikia.com/wiki/The_Free_States
Minister of Internal Affairs Harau Bacsey confirmed this was West.

You have to admit, some military tower guilds can be very organized. Was towering a couple days ago and we noticed people coming in waves of 7, and there were 9 of us. They quickly overran us and we lost the tower. Once we got around 11 members we took the tower, and there were close to 20 members in the other guild.

I went outside to see what they were doing and I saw the leader start his phase one attack by saying, "STRIKE TEAM, GO"! " and 1/3rd of his guild force into the tower. Once he saw one person responded he'd send in phase two and SAY " SUPPORT TEAM, GO!" Then he waited for like 20 seconds and sent in his 'Reinforcement team' and we were overwhelmed again.

In some other military guilds I see some leaders organizing training sessions with horses, bombs, arrows, etc. Of course their sparring sucks but it's cool how they can make this role-playing into almost a way of life lol. Some will have awesome formations in pk and it would just be awesome. Would join one of these military guilds just to have that kind of fun.

Please avoid derailing this thread.

Seems OP's original goal was to discuss thoughts and opinions on military guilds. While I don't discourage you from talking about military members or issues you face with military guilds, I DO discourage you from slandering others and derailing the thread to have an argument with each other. Please take any arguments you have with people to the private messages. Thanks!