Let's talk boomerangs
 

So if you pk, base, or do anything competitive outside of sparring on this game since the 2017 Christmas gift openings, then no doubt you've come across the 'Christmas boomerang'. I basically only play this game to pk and base, but this new boomerang has destroyed all motivation to do it now as it has essentially ruined the whole darn thing.

"But J*, are you dumb? Theres pump shotties and all kinds of other unbalanced weapons on this game, why is this new boomerang a problem? You're just mad because you don't live in the States and have a bit of delay so you can't avoid it at all."
Well said small intellectual boy, now let me explain myself.

Boomerangs have always been weird, glitchy and fairly unbalanced weapons, especially on close quarters like bases! So why am i making a thread like this now? The recent gifts gave you a chance at getting this new boomerang which does 12 damage and wasn't particularly rare. The problem with this is that it was extremely easy to obtain essentially giving the entire population access to this weapon type. Previously, there were only three boomerangs in the game; the VIP boomerang, which is no longer obtainable, deals 13 dmg and only a handful of players have it. The HS boomerang which requires a whopping 100 HS to obtain and does 16 dmg. Finally the Monster Sword, a boomerang that can be obtained through trades but is quite rare to see so getting one can be difficult, it deals 10 damage..
The trend here is that all of the previous boomerangs were difficult to get.

So what makes boomerangs inherently "unbalanced" anyway?
Well. Treat boomerangs like "a long ranged melee" it is thrown out and returns to you, at both states it can damage you, as soon as it hits a player it returns to you meaning you can spam it at close quarters very easily. The real kicker with these things though is the way it actually does damage. Unlike guns where if you are hit by a bullet from your perspective, you take damage, where a boomerang, even if you arent hit from your perspective, you can still take damage. From what i can gather, they essentially "ignore lag" in a way, which is fine if the other guy is teleporting or using vpn or something. But for anyone outside of where the servers are hosted, you're gonna have a bad time. So even if you have a stable connection but delay (or "eat" as you intellectuals call it) a bit, you will still be helpless to these boomerangs. For those unawares, delay cannot be helped. Telling someone to "fix" their wifi clearly doesnt understand how ping works.

I understand that this might sound like a minor complaint but there are many people with cbows, models and hs weapons that just use their xmas boomerang now instead as its just impossible to deal with. Pair it up with healing foods and you can just run at someone and kill them no matter how much you try to dodge.

There are, from what i can think of, two sensible ways of solving this problem. You could a) nerf this new boomerang to below 10 damage. It's easier to get than the monster sword and is significantly stronger. b) disable the use of boomerangs in bases. This has already been done with sparring previously which should show just how unbalanced these things are, you could still use your bonkers boomerang outside of basing, but for people seeking some skill and (relatively) enjoyable pking, bases would be a safe haven.

or of course c) do nothing and continue to downward spiral this game for no sensible reason. You implemented the new gp system so we all know you can make wise decisions, just make this Christmas boomerang a very weak weapon that would have niche usage, and 90 percent of your players will be happier.

-with regards
the entire pk community

Ok how about disable hs items at bases and spar and allow them only at events Lmao

Hs items arent the issue or the topic of this thread

If possible I feel the best solution is to ensure the damage is checked on the clientside like bullets.

Wouldnt that involve a developer :0 *gasp* this wont ever get done now! West doesn't have anyone capable of scripting anymore!?!?

Weapons that need fixed:
Boomerangs
Pump Shottys need nerfed
Freddies shouldnt stack on vaults
Blowguns Dart needs to be changed back to barely seeable again
Hs Rifle needs some sort of freeze for others to at least have a chance. (Except marios he sucks with his free hs rifle anyway ive seen brazillians handle repeaters better then him with his rifle)

so true Lmao

That would also be a suitable solution. I still believe the Christmas Boomerang itself needs a damage nerf though. Literally everyone is using it and it ruins the experience completely.

That is incorrect. Hoyt is the programmer assigned to olwest. And is capable of more scripting then any current dev including my self. He joined back with olwest 2-3 months ago and is also the dev that scripted the fishing system out of the many projects he has done.

Let me rephrase what i said.

Wouldnt that involve a developer :0 *gasp* this wont ever get done now! HomelessWitch keeps the devs on a leash!?!

Please explain how she keeps them on a leash :)

He knows we have Hoyt and he doesn't see that he's busy with lots of things on Ol west, and i may be wrong but I believe he's been helping Era as well, but overall Tomato gives HW crap for no reason

Can vouch for this, Hoyt is incredible

Boomerangs aren't invincible, they are a glitched item that requires a different way to fight them but once you get the knack for it they are pretty easy to kill.

This ^^^^^

The last time she didnt have a dev on a leash was when alpho was on the team and look at everything they got done during that time alpho was there.

I give hw crap cause all ol west has been for the past year now is false promises and corruption. Obviously she cant handle two servers by herself she eathier needs to give olwest management to someone else like hoyt or leave era.

Still dont understand why your sucking off the vanderwoodsens to become a staff messiah its quite sad especially since west playercount gonna drop to 150 once delteria releases.

Do explain. Only thing i can think of is to hide in a hallway and spam my rustle shotgun until the bad people go away ]:

First of all, a round of applause to Hoyt for the finishing. If there was a single aspect of this game that I'd give a nod to, it'd be this.

WHO IS THIS SMALL INTELLECTUAL BOY, AND WHY IS HE NOT PRESIDENT?!

Guys, I've said this time and again in previous threads... NUKE THIS CRAP BOMB AND GO VANILLA!!!

How many more gloriously overpowered death machines are going to enter this game, and get thrown in the closet after the Staff finally come to their senses? How many more pistols do you want before you finally decide "Eh, they all shoot about the same, I'll stick with the .45"? How many more utterly ridiculous ideas will you accept- like the over-sized red & blue anime throwing swords (here's looking at you, you ******ed weeaboo admins)- before the developers realize that this game is based on the American 1800's?

I said it once, I'll say it again... I'm over there trying to weave through a stream of bullets while 'Johnny & Suzy-No Skill' are over sitting in a corner, blasting me in the back with a shotgun.

If you're a "pro sparrer" why don't you show off your "pro-ness" by fighting a .45 kid with another .45? (Instead of those ******ed spamming Freddies that can be used by any 5yr-old on the planet!)

I have the Turkey Blaster! I have the VIP Boomerang! I have a Rustle Shotty... (Jesus Christ I couldn't imagine having a C-Bow or Nature Destroyer)... but most importantly, I have my pride... because I know it's all disgusting. Everyone in this thread knows it's disgusting!... So how much more can you take?!

This game is a three-legged horse. Put ol' Lassie out of 'er misery... or GO VANILLA.

Oh no you caught me! Please don't tell Sarah or Jeff I'm scared they won't hire me!

Nah but in reality from my past there's no way for me to get hired(at least that's what I think but OH WELL), you know, I used to be in the same boat as you Tomato, giving hw crap for no reason trying to make a difference, get a new manager, well I'm going to tell you right now, blabbing about it in a forum or on the server isn't going to do anything. All the staff do is laugh at you and make fun of how dumb you look. Hopefully you'll soon figure out they do a lot, they aren't paid for what they do, they volunteer, they got lives beyond graal as well, I mean I'm pretty sure 80% of them are in school or collage. Yes I can see where you think there's broken promises of stuff not being released (most known Crafting) and I don't have a answer to this but I can tell you it's not cause they aren't working on it, it's because there's lots of problems with it, or it keeps getting pushed back cause of trying to pump out content for holidays or other ideas they have, because there's only so many admins that can do only so many things.

Now I rarely ever talk to any staff, unless I encounter them in game, I rarely ever pm them and when I do it's for a question or reporting someone. The one staff I talk to the most though is Pepper because obviously we base in Silence together and we discovered we based with each other with iFreeze on iEra. Now how come from your eyes when players are friends with admins or trying to be friends with them it's "sucking off to be hired"? Wouldn't you be a hypocrite for that cause you base and are friends with CTP who was a Sheirff?!

And if anyone is curious why I'm always backing up staff and Ol' West and trying to make tomato (or anyone else) look like a fool of himself, is well
1. I used to be like him, except I was more ruthless
2. I'm honestly sick of seeing these posts FROM ANYONE complaining about staff, cause complaining won't do a thing
3. Your all really fricking annoying when you do it, like 80% of the stuff is stupid and irrelevant

Yeah this was a rantful post (and a post where I've gotten very annoyed for the first time in a long time) and I'll expect some roasts and probably some grammar corrections cause that's how cancerous you all are, but now BACK ON TOPIC SOMETHING ABOUT BOOMERANG NEEDING NERF (Not really it's easy to counter)

Explain to me how it can be countered without using wooden rifles messiah. And if you do explain, put it in the shoes of everyone outside of america who has a bit of delay.

What do you think forums are for? for us to give useless ideas that wont be added and to glorify the staff team? The day I glorify the staff team is the day they start being more open to their community and stop hiding **** (no other game hides updates and releases like graal does and it makes no dam sense)

Sounds like the staff team needs to grow tf up then. Making fun of its own community just going to destroy the game more and you guys wonder why everyone thinks silence is corrupt af.

Name me one "big" game content update they released in 2017 other then lottery which they use once every 3 months now? If all the team can do is produce holiday content then the manager needs to do something about it.

So thats what happened to you.

You litterally told lafez you are trying to get hired? Ever since then you have been defending the staff team 24/7.

The last thing id ever do is join the west staff team under HW as manager. My views would probably get corrupted with bullsht if I did.

Boomerangs are pretty op yeh

Boomerangs are weak asf bro make them 5x stronger AT MINIMUM

Might as well complain about them because no matter what is said, it won't help anyways with HW as manager and Jeff with the power he has. (Although I don't doubt she is good at leveling as I heard from someone else but she just isn't capable of managing two servers. Maybe she shouldn't manage a server at all.)

Well a few things I need to point out from both perspectives as a long time player and ex staff

1. HW does not limit anyone on what they want to do, it is entirely down to the person making it (I.e a Gani Artist making 2 quests indipendantly) aswell as I have witnessed the management let everyone on the staff team have their own creative freedom and learn new skills.

2. You understand Graal is someone's business, it makes money. What has repeatedly made a lot of money on a regular basis year in and out are HOLIDAY ITEMS. This is why they are such a priority, and when a team of volunteers gives it their all to make a good holiday event + items and all new content it is understandably tiring and motivation to create more is very difficult.
The reason we all loved Alpho is because he had the time, dedication and talent to create wonderful things in the time he had, I can promise you there are not many people who will create the things he did just for the pure fun of it with that level of graal development knowledge.

3. The population of talented delevopers & scripters about. Pretty self-explanatory, there aren't many. And the ones I do know of and respect are already occupied on projects elsewhere. This makes it very hard for these people to fix or create things like the crafting system and get support for their issues.

As a player you will always see the wrong in the game, yet if you decide to be optimistic about it you will realise why you fell in love with it in the first place.

1. Yeah but not to blab about the same things over, and over, and over again, come up with something new to blab about, like "Why do graal players get salty" or "why aren't cancerous players banned from graal"

2. Yes I do agree with you on this, I would like to see what's going on, but why would they tell us anything and when it will be released, we're all cancerous af, cause I could totally see it, we'd all beg for them to work on it, we'd all want constant updates on the project, we'd be annoyed if they never gave us updates, then we'd get pissed if it wasn't released on time

3. I don't have a answer for you, and I don't really care at this point cause all I'm doing now is giving you attention (which we all know you dearly love)

4. False been defending the staff way before I told Lafez I wanted to be hired, been doing it cause I'm annoyed of seeing the same crap everyday "fire hw" "fire Jeff" like you know I was on the bandwagon for CTP to get fired, I'm gonna be honest, I was pissed when he returned as a Deputy

Now I'm gonna drop it here cause tomato I know we could argue about this till the day we die, it's quite obvious we both hate each other, and I know your going to comment on this post, I'll ready it, I'll probably cringe as you probably cringe with my posts, but I'm not going to comment.

It is not that hard to stand out of the range of the boom and avoid it, even if your not in America, and I haven't been using my wooden to counter the boomerang since thus one has been released, and if you think that boomerang is annoying, I'll just go back the 100 HS boom and chase you with it, I've been using the 45 a lot lately cause I've gotten bored of using wooden, the most recent time I've used it was when Cursed pked Silence, and I know Spring and Tomato saw me using it

I could show you if you wanted. It isn't that hard to dodge them. On the other hand, As I said they are a glitched item which in my personal opinion means that they should be removed. The only reason I didn't say this earlier is because there are far more important issues to deal with then removing a boomerang.

I've flawed people who have rushed me with a boomerang before. All you have to do is move to the side and spam where you think they are going to go.

As much as id love arguing more on this I guess Ill stop since this process has already happened before and will in the future just know once 2019 hits and theres still no crafting or gang houses for vulcan. Im giving hell.

anyways back on topic the boomerang heres an IDEA maybe a short time solution since yes theres a decrease in developers and hoyt totally is busy with something else lel, is increasing the freeze time for the boomerang

What's wrong with boomerangs

That’s why you read a thread first, silly

They weak as HELL! we need to make them 5x stronger!

Get Wooden rifle ez

nice profile pic looks a bit like Dusty's art.

oh, wait...

Messiah, if i'm not mistaken you are in Silence yeah? If so, you can't even pk any bases other than bank and bank is not as bad for boomeran spamming. "Standing out of range" might be the least useful bit of advice you could give, but i appreciate you trying. People with boomerangs will rush you, sure, they might take damage. They could be the noobiest dude with a boomerang but they can often guarantee SOME damage on you, no matter what you do (you likely don't delay so i don't really expect you to understand). If you want to chase me around with a gold boomerang, then go for it, you actually earned a difficult to obtain boomerang so it is fine that it's op. It would annoy me more if you chased me with an Xmas boomerang tbh.

Ispring, i get the idea of dodging to the side, i really do. But in practice, it just doesn't work if your ping is anything over 200ms. If you are awhiles away from the server like your's truly (literally the opposite side of the planet in relation to the server) then you might get a few ping drops/lag spikes, which also doesnt help. If the boomerang hitchecks were client-side like bullets then yes, i could easily dodge to the side, i use one of the most mobile weapons you can get, i could dodge anywhere.

For all you kind lurkers and unheard voices out there who might have skimmed through the section where the town criers turn yet another thread into "CoRrUpt StAfF talk" then congrats, you are back on the topic of this thread. If you are struggling with boomerangs like myself, i'll give some methods ive been using to deal with them the past couple of days. 1. They will always chase you, take advantage of this. I've been using a rustle shotgun and luring thrm into choke-points to buckshot their spammy asses off the face of the base, i then heal off any damage ive taken with food (food is very op, id recommend using it), you could also do this with a high damaging bow; sov, wood, crystal, etc.
2. This tip only really works in Bank from what i'm aware but it can mess up a boomerang user quite a bit. If you lure a boomerang guy over to the top left ladder in the flag room (where the people enter from the top), if you have Captain Boomerang throw his spinny guy at the ladder, it will scuff the hitbox. Instead of the boomerang instantly returning to them when they hit you, it will instead pass through you (you will take damage though), this stops them from spam hitting you into oblivion and limits the boomerang's capabilities ALOT! The messed up hitbox can be reset pre-death, but ill leave that for yous to figure out [^:

I want a free hs rifle. How to get?

Hoyt is daddy, only you never see your daddy cause he doesn't love us. Goes back to unixmad that doesn't love us meaning we're just money accumulators FeelsBadMan