Net neutrality Discussion
 

For those of you who aren't aware. The FCC may make it more difficult for people to access the internet. in a sense can limit your ability to access the web, Making it much harder for anyone who doesn't have a **** ton of money to access things they want. Example being is if you wanted to access some gaming website. But instead you got a webpage saying.
"Sorry, But you haven't paid for entertainment part of your internet, Pay $20 more to unlock it?".
In my opinion, This is terrible. Because it stops people from using the internet. It stops the openly connected world from accessing to each other. It can in a sense even possibly stop you from meeting and talking to your friend from another country, Because you don't have the "Open Global" package. Or whatever BS they may come up with.

It seems to be more about Profits...over people. And I want to hear your opinions on this. If you're against it talk to your senators in your state and the FCC.

That's not entirely the case.

While it is possible that without net neutrality, we could end up paying for certain services, it's not a goal of those against net neutrality.
I'm all for everyone having a fair play at the internet, but when you actually look into net neutrality laws over ISPs, the terms are ridiculously intensive.

For example, with net neutrality, ISPs are dictated like monopolies. Even mom-and-pop ISPs. It makes it super hard for new companies to come in if they don't already have a load of money to pay for proving that they aren't interfering with connections.
Another example is that under the Title II, the FCC can add new regulations and internet "laws" without consent from the ISP, and without us as users, rendering the ISP business model a terrible business to even get into.

Really it's more about how net neutrality is implemented than it is about not messing with how you view content. Even before net neutrality, there was nothing wrong with the internet, these ISPs didn't make it a goal to force you to pay more money for services.

Ill just go back to tv and play station if this *** happens. Unlike others I miss the days where a living room was people talking to each other face to face and not checking FB,SC or IG 24/7. Think back pre 2008 and tell me you dont miss those thanksgivings where people wernt looking at their phones. Imo if something like this does happen it should only restrict phones not pcs

The net was more free without net neutrality. Now its basically Facebook, Netflix, Amazon and Google that control the internet. Also notice how the main corporations who bitch about it are the ones i just listed. They dont want to lose their power

It's going to be an even harder business to get into when you have to pay ISPs to not throttle connection to your website/online services. Or they might just take the money and run, considering that they now have the ability to stamp out access to any online competitor that they see.

No, If anything it doesn't really deal with them so much, They wouldn't want it because it can effect their business through their consumers and they may need to pay a lot of money to internet service providers to be put on the "fast" lane". It mostly deals with the Internet Providers.

For example. Let's say you go to Facebook. But you are stuck in a slow lane. Because your ISP doesn't want you to connect to it quickly because you don't have the social media package, But want faster? Pay more to be put on the fast lane!

And with things like the Net neutrality, It stops businesses from doing that because it must treat everyone equal on the web. But they want to remove that because it would make businesses more money because they can make you pay even more for certain services.and make you ONLY use their services.

Example i heard from a tweet is if it is removed. If you use Verizon they may make it impossible for you to use ANY web browser besides Yahoo. Why? Because Verizon owns it.

This would HURT business more than HELP it actually, Unless your a ISP.

Thing's like Discord,And other social media things could infact be severely hurt by this. Because they would have to pay thousands, If not even more than thousands of dollars to not have their connection to their app or site messed with.

Only real people benefiting from this, Are the ISP. Because they would make you pay more for accessing certain things and may stop you from accessing certain things. Like I said in the other comment. Got a Verizon phone? They may stop you from using Google. And use Yahoo instead. It could hurt a lot of people who also can't pay a lot for internet

Lol **** Verizon some fags gonna make another website where you can watch YouTube on it kek

Lol... It's not that simple....You see whoever your internet provider is. They can make you pay more to access certain content. It isn't something a Web Proxy can help with. Because if Net neutrality is removed. It let's internet providers see what you do on the internet. Although internet companies are saying they will not charge or ever do such.

But let's be honest. Can we trust that claim? Probably no. It's like being in a lions den. And the lion promises not to eat you, Is it possible that lion won't? Yes. Likely to not keep its promise? Extremely low

ISPs are monopolies. I have literally never lived somewhere that I have the ability to choose my ISP.

I'm definitely pro-net neutrality. But a lot of people get the facts wrong and look up information on net neutrality on entirely biased sites. I'm doing an academic research paper over net neutrality, and several people I interviewed didn't know anything about the other side of the argument.

Can't relate, I have that ability. They aren't technically monopolies.

Uh-oh we will even have to pay to play graal on the internet.

Don't worry, John Oliver will save us again.

Good because y'all need to start reading more newspapers

y they gotta block the videos for me :(

gay newspaper company

What's a newspaper

It depends on how they do it...

What I'm concerned of, Is how it affects EVERYONE. Graal or not.

By removing Net neutrality. You open the Framework for some pretty scary stuff. It removes the ability for anyone to say what they want. And how they want on things. And instead puts people in a spot where they only see what they can pay for. And then you can control what people in a way think about things. You control a wide array of things. And you can profit off it. And that's what is scary about it. Because it opens the door for "Hey you didnt pay for the entertainment part of your package on internet. Pay more now?"

I found this photo online. Which basically shows exactly what I'm saying. But prices may vary or be larger (Which they probably will be around 15 dollars to 20 per package)

It would be about 25-30 dollars right now. And that isn't even counting the fact small businesses wouldnt be able to compete with bigger bussiness that run things on the Internet. having to pay to be put on the fast lane to compete with a bigger company.

Da hell is a "mom and pop ISP?" Are you talking about the people who set up the little tents in the back of a walmart parking lot and the little hole-in-the-wall stores in the back of a mall? Sure their service is cheap, but their quality is just as low as their price. Like Simons said, ISPs are essentially monopolies. They have strongholds over different regions of the country. If you live in California, your only option is Comcrap if you want decent internet connection. If you live in Oklahoma, your only option is Cox if you want decent internet connection.

Well no, ISPs arent going to charge their own customers more money; that's not the point in removing net neutrality. Their goal is to suck money from websites or throttle speeds for that website if they refuse to pay -- sounds no different from a ransom. And if Netflix and other websites are forced to pay criminal amounts of money to ISPs, then Netflix and other websites will have no choice but to charge their customers more for their services. So yes, the burden will in many cases circle back to the households.

Will it be the end of Facebook and Google? No, they can afford to be robbed by ISPs. It will sting a lot, but the big players of the internet will continue to operate. The problem will be for the 99% of the rest of the websites on the internet that don't make enough revenue to pay the mobsters. If ISPs choose to bully all websites (rather than picking and choosing the big ones), a lot of the small to medium sized websites would be severely damaged.

And from a business model perspective, ISPs demanding money from Netflix and Google makes no sense in the value chain (hence all of the above criminal references). ISPs provide value to their customers (us, the internet service subscribers), therefore we pay the ISPs for their infrastructure. But why should websites pay ISPs when ISPs do not add value to the websites' content? ISPs are only threatening to forcibly degrade the value of the websites' content.



Explain to me how F, N, A, and G "control the internet." Just because these are some of the most popular and most profitable website corporations doesnt mean they have any power over the rest of the internet. The only argument here would be Google, because they are a search engine; but Google does a fair job at not manipulating search results to discriminate against websites. (On the other hand, Facebook manipulating their newsfeed makes them a ****ing hypocrite for supporting net neutrality). However, removing net neutrality will give ISPs substantial power over literally the entire internet.

Oh boy this guy again. The britbong that was so unfunny his show failed and he left for US.
But seriously though. Break up corporate ISP monopoly colusion, tear down the boundries of where a said ISP group can be, let there be actual competition between competetors, goverment get out.

Bruh the ISP providers have already had the keys to getting into the internet by 08, locked down and secured cause they were the only ones that could afford to lay down the infastructure and bought out all other competetors. Money talks, if you want a better deal on services you need to talk to them and get good at negotiating (something that 99% of people cannot do to save their lives) or go to a different provider. Now that the different provider is outta the picture and theres only 1 company that can give you acsess you can either not buy their service and wait for them to collapse and cave into your deal or buy it and move on. Now since most people wont do anything about it and stick it to them, whats to stop that company from being greedy? The government, unfortunatly. But then that leads into a whole bunch of nothing and a whole assload of court battles, and nothing happens. The only thing net neutrality did is stop the current cluster fug going on with the 9th district courts decision of AT&T to not allow them to throtle mobile data and that massive court battle thats been going on forever.

I dont think you are the majority then, I've lived in Arizona, California, Texas, and Alaska in the past few years and it has never been an option.

Pay to get on facebook? Nty

To be honest, I think that may just be your odd luck. Most areas have multiple service providers to choose from. Like where I am I can get DirecTV or dish, (Currently have DirecTV since my satellite i paid litetally 2700 dollars for since i cant get fast service where i am came from DirecTV to )although I cant get time warner cable where I am ...Oh Ah hem....I mean Spectrum lmao

This is what happens when you dumb californians support these democrats they finally realized how much a impact the internet was to help Trump win the election so their gonna manipulate it also sorry to inform u dude who im not quoting but Google manipulates a lot to especially when it comes to news

This thread is about internet service providers, not television.

Aaaannnnndddd I assume you're not aware that DirecTV and Dish and "TV" companies do have a section where they provide internet

https://imgur.com/79uFt7M
Looks like Trump just got the ability to elect the most federal judiciaries in over 40 years. Best part, all young guys, so there going to be there for a very long time.
>LIBERALS BTFO
>GOOGLE, AMAZON, FACEBOOK, NETFLIX AND INTERNET ADDICTS BTFO
>NET NEUTRALITY BTFO

Both of your posts are so stupid that it hurts.

>being this ******ed
Internet manipulation and media manipulation was a thing LONG BEFORE trump was ever a thing. Google was manipulating its searches based on highest bidder forever, way before trump was ever a thing. Old news stations have been doing it even longer. Like back in the 60s was the most notable; to be exact around the time of the Tet Offensive is when the news media began their anti war propaganda, because we all knew, this war was going to be a mess. Got so bad even Richard Nixon called the media out on their BS similar to what Trump did, but not on as large of a scale. Remember fox news back in like 2004 and how democrats have been raving on about it as conservative news? Its the same thing with MSNBC, CNN, etc, just the opposite side of the coin and both will go long ways. Including to the point of straight up lying (Trumps tax plan gives the rich the largest tax break. This is false. The individual people in the 19,525-29,000 and 47,750-54,000 get a 15% break while the highest bracket of 423,500+ get a 14.6% tax break) get their point across

Satellite internet is strictly inferior to cable internet. No questions.

#Hillary4Prison

Oi jajaja

Happy now u trump loving nazis? now the internet is gonna be ruined forever, but hey, at least you got innocent muslim refugees banned from this country. I guarrantee drumpf will be impeached by the end of this year, and bernie will becomes president

lol

Internet is going to be made great again as brown minorities are going to be purged as they cannot afford it and its not covered by their welfare checks as thats being cut :'^)
Heil Trumpler
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You dumb asses do realize google and all those big tech companies are runned by democrats lmao this has nothin to do with trump they all hate him more then we hate graal babies

I don’t think net neutrality will get replaced and if it did I can see protests happening...

Any excuse to pillage and destroy, they'll take it.

I'm not trying to make this a partisan issue, but just so you know -- Ajit Pai, current head of the FCC and former CEO of Verizon (which qualifies as a "big tech company"), was put in the Chairman position by President Trump.

I wouldn't be surpirsed if there was full on heated Riots, because there is a very good human law you don't dare to mess with, You don't mess with things that can bring joyment or tsk away stress from people or help them. The internet can do all these. There are people who just go to YouTube each day to fight stress about things that go on in their real life, People who use internet to fight depression. People who use the internet for enjoyment or to research or to learn. Or to speak up or to just simply talk to those close to them that may be over seas fighting for their country.

And when you take away this great amazing thing, This thing that is capable of bringing every single person in the world together. You get some seriously angry people. Infact I'd be surprised if there wasn't a crap ton of riots. Because almost everyone DOESNT want Net neutrality to go.

Thanks for saying president trump most people would just be trump even if there Americans there disrespectful and rude to the president he may not be the best one out there but still.

Yea looks like it

To be fair, did the majority of people call him “President Obama” or just “Obama”? In the majority of conversation and communication he was referred to as just Obama. Same thing with [President] Bush. It is a mouthful and a waste of time, considering that titles are largely optional. Especially an understood title like President. It isn’t disrespectful to refer to him as Trump. It is normal.

Lol

Surprisingly, there are downsides to Trump being impeached...

• Pence will be the president
• Trump will probably pull the ol Nixon switcheroo and just have Pence grant him amnesty
• If that doesn't happen and we try to prosecute him he will probs flee to Russia where he can finish up selling Putin our secrets
• Pence will be the president; remember that this man literally believes you can electrocute the gay out of people.

If you wanna play that game, Tom Wheeler, the FCC head was the CEO of the Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Ascossation (CTIA) A group that represented providers of internet, manufactures of internet and wireless goods, to shorten all that down a lobbyist group.
Literally what is your point here?

Pointing out the irony in his statement.

Like I said, I wasn't trying to make it a partisan issue, or that the net neutrality problem was solely because of a conflict of interest. However, the claims that it has nothing to do with President Trump and that the Big Tech Companies all hate him are just incorrect.

If you want to play that game, I’m not pointing out the irony in your statement.

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You americans better protect my nut neutrality

To many sjw liberals in this thread for me bye hope you all lose your internet or not idc what happens as long as we dont turn into NK